Reply #105: But thats completely arbitrary, Zeb. Whats so important about believing?

[Evoman]

When someone sacrifices themselves for you, really does it FOR YOU, then they should not expect thanks or worship. If jesus or god or whoevers "sacrifice" was altruistic, then they should expect nothing in return. Otherwise, it ain't really sacrifice, bud.

When I give money to charity, I don't do it for the tax break. I don't even TELL anybody (lol...I guess I just did in this thread though), because I do it because I care, not because I'm expecting gratitude or for a bigger return. If I sacrificed myself for my children, I would do it because I love them, not because I expect them to worship me.

You just can't get away from these simple facts:

God made a person/himself suffer, when he didn't need to. He's omnipotent...he should be able to forgive "sins" without needing to kill himself or anybody else.

Jesus's death wasn't altruistic. Jesus did it not because he loved us, but because he wanted people to worship in him. If it was all that mattered, the fact that he sacrificed himself should, of itself, be enough for us to enter heaven. The belief thing is just something god made up to make it harder for us. And again, its arbitrary...it says nothing about the person..a person who believes Jesus died is not less evil or more good, than one who does not believe. But god doesn't give a shit...his rules are completely fucked up.

Jesus's death was pretty much in vain, anyways, when probably less than half the people on the world are going to be saved. Again, if god really wanted more people in heaven, he would have come up with something a little more efficient then believing in some dumb book (which contains so many false "facts", its embarassing).

There is nothing inherently special in believing. And you can't control your what you believe. It just can't happpen. I've said this to you before...there is absolutely no way that I COULD (not would, but COULD) believe in the bible. Ever. NEVER. I'm doomed. So Jesus sacrifice, arbitrary thing that it is, was meaningless for me, because I can't ever believe it.

Anyhow, we should probably stop talking about this. Even delving this deep into your mythology has me feeling dirty. Dirty for talking as if Jesus and god actually existed and giving your sadistic god any of my thoughts or time. I don't buy any of it.