Reply #9: Please, this is such a tiresome argument

[Brian_Expat]

The selfish ones are the Democrats who refuse to stand up for the human rights and dignity of gay people, and envelope their selling-out of gay families and support for anti-gay constitutional amendments as "noble altruism" for which "gay people must sacrifice."

Just ignore all that has been accomplished on gay rights

Mostly by people who didn't interact in traditional politics at all.

The Democrats had majorities in the House and Senate AND the Presidency in the early 1990s. We couldn't even get ENDA?

Then Bill Clinton signed DOMA.

Then he botched up Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Now we have Democrats amending state and federal constitutions to make gays permanent second class citizens, and if we fight against that, we're "selfish."

If every constituent group were like you we'd have no Democratic party

We have no Democratic Party, just a bunch of "timid opponents" who mostly voted to confirm a known liar and incompetent (Condi Rice), and many of whom voted with the Republicans to make gays permanent second class citizens.

Incidentally, blacks, feminists and others are starting to think the same way I am, now that Democrats are equally willing to vote to slash inner city school funding and "compromise" on the right of women to determine their own reproductive freedom.

Now, as is your practice, you'll reply to this, careful to ignore every point I've made. I made the mistake of giving you too much attention on another thread, so I'll leave you with the last word.

You're not interested in addressing any of the points I've made, just screaming about how selfish I am and how I should get back on the Democrats' plantation and vote for Clintons and Herseths and others who vote to sell me down the river. A typical hit and run.

Nuh-uh. From now on you have to EARN my support and the support of lots of others as well. We tried "your way" three times -- 2000, 2002 and 2004. Each time, we lost even more. Either stand up and fight the Republicans, or get the hell out of our way and let us do it with a party that actually believes in fighting rather than liquidating its less popular constituents in an effort to get the Republicans to "like them."