Reply #22: I'll agree - I was being hyperbolic

[sui generis]

but there is a cost to society if society measures such things, and end of life care and shortened life spans are part of that too.

I know that in a non-ambulatory society where we take elevators and drive to the corner store and are surrounded by available food, holidays, special occasions, late night eating after long commutes and stress from inadequate sleep it really is hard to NOT be overweight.

TG you know I'm not totally off my rocker :hi:

but when the comparisons of "indulgence" start flying it is fair to include that too, however it happens.

I really really want universal healthcare though, and the real thing. It can only make us a healthier and happier nation and if we do it right nobody will really lose (except maybe outrageous profits on wall street).