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Thu Sep-20-07 01:48 PM
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| 18. They'll be homeless paying premiums |
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instead of rent, so they won't have an address to get the refund anyway. Tax credits are bullshit. They promised us tax credits were going to help us go to college too.
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| -Can someone explain to me how Clinton's health plan will help the poor? |
AllyCat |
Sep-20-07 01:18 PM |
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Can I stand with you, waiting for an explanation? |
havocmom |
Sep-20-07 01:20 PM |
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what if people are too poor to pay taxes |
CountAllVotes |
Sep-20-07 01:24 PM |
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But it helps the insurance industry... and Hillary's almost at 50% approval! |
redqueen |
Sep-20-07 01:43 PM |
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believe me, I am not impressed |
CountAllVotes |
Sep-20-07 02:02 PM |
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It is refundable |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:54 PM |
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Eligibility requirements for Medicaid are changing under Hillary's plan. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:06 PM |
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I have never recived an EITC... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-07 03:03 PM |
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Anyone that receives EIC can receive it in their pay checks. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:15 PM |
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Yeah, but she needs to make sure that is flat on the table, cause it's not right now. |
Hoof Hearted |
Sep-21-07 01:01 AM |
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Hillary's plan says it will "strengthen Medicaid." Edwards's says "expand Medicaid". |
CTyankee |
Sep-20-07 02:33 PM |
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Poor people not currently eligible for medicaid because they don't have children. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:02 PM |
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Does Hillary's plan address this group? |
CTyankee |
Sep-20-07 03:42 PM |
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Yes ... |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:54 PM |
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Exactly. It's the same as school vouchers. If your are too poor to send your |
LibInTexas |
Sep-20-07 10:23 PM |
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Reading it now. Haven't gotten to that part yet that I can think of |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 12:26 AM |
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No, no one can explain how it does that, because it doesn't. nm |
dicksteele |
Sep-20-07 01:23 PM |
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No, you have it exactly right |
supernova |
Sep-20-07 01:24 PM |
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because they'll have insurance |
rucky |
Sep-20-07 01:24 PM |
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I don't think it was ever intended to help the poor. |
PA Democrat |
Sep-20-07 01:27 PM |
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She said on Ed Schulz today that it would help and would make it better |
AllyCat |
Sep-20-07 01:30 PM |
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How it will happen - - a lot of the poor use the emergency room as their primary care physician. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 01:51 PM |
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They don't understand |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:52 PM |
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Hillary will be changing the qualification criteria for Medicaid. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 01:58 PM |
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Like how they fixed college |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:05 PM |
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Details, details |
OzarkDem |
Sep-20-07 09:44 PM |
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RIGHT! Just like her husband's welfare deform was never intended to help poor folk, mostly women. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 01:51 PM |
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right on, bobbolink |
Whisp |
Sep-20-07 02:27 PM |
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Thank you, and welcome to DU, Whisp! |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:31 PM |
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please check your PM. and thanks for the welcome. ;) nt |
Whisp |
Sep-20-07 02:45 PM |
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I'm sorry you felt so intimidated that you deleted your post. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:45 PM |
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I still have to get my sea legs around here. |
Whisp |
Sep-20-07 02:57 PM |
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Pretty much just avoid personal insults.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-20-07 03:54 PM |
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Another welcome. I came here after the debacle of '04. Watching a sure victory go down the tubes. |
LibInTexas |
Sep-21-07 12:56 AM |
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"I want to be around for a while and not sure what the rules are and what I am free to say" |
greyhound1966 |
Sep-21-07 12:41 PM |
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LOL... |
Mythsaje |
Sep-20-07 01:27 PM |
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Those tax credits are supposed to limit the percentage of income |
Warpy |
Sep-20-07 01:27 PM |
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More of the poor will be eligible forMedicaid. More Low income children will be eligible for S-Chips |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 01:56 PM |
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Riiighhtttt.... and what happens to the over 300,000 who were kicked off last year? |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:09 PM |
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Those kids will be back on, and even more will be eligible. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:14 PM |
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Since you assume it was "kids", you don't know what I'm talking about. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:18 PM |
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300,000 kids were kicked off S-Chips by Bush. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:19 PM |
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You must have delusions. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:22 PM |
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You responded to my post that mentioned S-Chips. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:05 PM |
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YOU try rereading. You said both Medicaid and S-Chips. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 05:58 PM |
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I'm wondering when Hillary Clinton ever said she cared about the poor |
qanda |
Sep-20-07 01:29 PM |
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She did a (pretty well-done) ad about "the invisible" |
rucky |
Sep-20-07 01:41 PM |
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Well, I'll believe that |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Sep-21-07 08:39 AM |
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You didn't see her wringing her hands when those kicked off welfare were suffering and dying? |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:32 PM |
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I can't explain it to you because I don't see how it will. |
sparosnare |
Sep-20-07 01:30 PM |
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More of the poor will receive medicaid. More low income kids will get S-CHIP. Government funded. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 01:41 PM |
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Rent or Insurance Premiums |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:49 PM |
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Name removed |
Sep-20-07 02:01 PM |
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Nothing will ever change |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:07 PM |
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Do your homework and read up on the Earned Income Tax Credit. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:09 PM |
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She didn't propose that |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:12 PM |
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Go do your homework. Go find out what "Tax Credits" are all about. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:21 PM |
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Do you think we don't file taxes? |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:23 PM |
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Tax credit. When I file my state and federal taxes, a credit is something |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 12:35 AM |
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Calling people fool over and over is making you look like one. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 06:02 PM |
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here's the kicker... |
Forkboy |
Sep-20-07 10:39 PM |
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how much do you pay for Medicare and S-Chips now? |
northzax |
Sep-20-07 03:10 PM |
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A tax credit sure as hell is a tax cut! |
depakid |
Sep-20-07 02:16 PM |
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Tax credits and tax cuts are different. You're wrong. (n/t) |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:38 PM |
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No, they're the exact same thing in practical effect |
depakid |
Sep-20-07 02:46 PM |
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Tax Credits lower your liability.Tax Cuts decrease the percentage, your liability remains the same. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:50 PM |
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The net effect on the treasury amounts to a tax cut |
depakid |
Sep-20-07 03:02 PM |
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If no one uses the money, how will it enrich the the insurance companies? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Sep-20-07 01:45 PM |
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no one can |
leftchick |
Sep-20-07 01:46 PM |
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Obama and Edwards said it was essentially the same as their plans. |
jobycom |
Sep-20-07 01:47 PM |
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I haven't seen Obama say that |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:57 PM |
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Here's his entire statement. |
jobycom |
Sep-20-07 01:59 PM |
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Well then he's an idiot too |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:04 PM |
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They'll be homeless paying premiums |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:48 PM |
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You don't know what you are talking about. Tax credits are paid in the paycheck. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:07 PM |
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No, it's not that simple |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:17 PM |
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well ,let see see....... |
madrchsod |
Sep-20-07 02:02 PM |
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There are already programs in place that help the poor like |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 02:04 PM |
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Your statement is outrageous. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:17 PM |
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Sorry dearie but I know a lot about this subject. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 02:27 PM |
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i helped my mom and dad go to doctors offices and hospitals |
madrchsod |
Sep-20-07 02:59 PM |
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Extending an improved Medicare to all would solve the problem. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:10 PM |
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I still say your post was outrageous. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:10 PM |
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Read this. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:38 PM |
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you mean like the French plan? |
northzax |
Sep-20-07 03:12 PM |
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The French plan would be closer to Edward's plan. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:40 PM |
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cleita, they're the same |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 03:50 PM |
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My little grandson in California gets health insurance for about $6.50 a month |
CTyankee |
Sep-20-07 03:54 PM |
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I don't think Arnold has done anything yet. His plan is still being |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 04:04 PM |
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Well, whatever. Like everyone else, I am so happy he has his care. |
CTyankee |
Sep-20-07 08:37 PM |
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Pssst... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-07 03:14 PM |
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Well, if I don't have any authority in your rolling eyes, read this: |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:41 PM |
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Weren't you... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-07 04:12 PM |
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You know what is outrageous? |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-07 03:12 PM |
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BWAHAHAHAHA! When someone knowledgeable posts back to you, |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 05:59 PM |
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" And here I thought it was personal attacks like yours that shut down threads?" |
Forkboy |
Sep-20-07 09:09 PM |
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At least Obama's plan addresses that |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:21 PM |
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Yes, but in states that have mandated insurance like car insurance |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 02:32 PM |
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This monitors insurance nationally |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:42 PM |
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Yes, and we will have very expensive health care nationally, |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:07 PM |
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So |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 03:13 PM |
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Government is only as good as the legislation that is implemented |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 04:18 PM |
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Some people can't do that |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 04:31 PM |
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Yes, the premium is out of reach for a lot. I have friends who |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 04:38 PM |
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PLEEEEZ, not sales tax! That is regressive, and only further sets back people like me! |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 08:46 PM |
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If we do a payroll tax on both employees and employers, where |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 09:33 PM |
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How much do you want me to give you? |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 09:36 PM |
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Sorry Bobbie. I don't mean to hurt you. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 09:38 PM |
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It DOES hurt when it's so easily dismissed. The same with gas taxes that liberals here |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 09:42 PM |
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Wisconsin does not mandate car insurance. n/t |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 08:10 AM |
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They will die younger and not have the need for health care INSURANCE!! |
dkofos |
Sep-20-07 02:52 PM |
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It's meant to help the poor get in better physical shape. |
Vinca |
Sep-20-07 03:08 PM |
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So Hillary's entire plan is a tax credit??? |
LSK |
Sep-20-07 03:16 PM |
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As I understand it, part of her program will permit people to buy into |
napi21 |
Sep-20-07 04:46 PM |
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She hasn't said if it's an improved Medicare, which is what is |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 04:51 PM |
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There are a lot of details that haven't yet been worked out. |
napi21 |
Sep-20-07 06:12 PM |
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Apparently Dennis Kucinich has. Why can't she? |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 09:51 PM |
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Dennis hasn't either. Not really. Do you really think HC is so |
napi21 |
Sep-20-07 10:19 PM |
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He has, to my satisfaction anyway, and I'm usually on top of |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 10:40 PM |
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I'm really confused about her plan |
Geek_Girl |
Sep-20-07 04:53 PM |
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The way I understood what she said today is that if you don't like |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 12:45 AM |
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Will we go to jail if we DON'T have it??? Will we be denied healthcare?? |
lady of texas |
Sep-20-07 08:42 PM |
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What happens to those who don't have car insurance in states that mandate it? |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 08:43 PM |
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Apparently, you have to provide proof of insurance to your employer |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 12:47 AM |
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I agree that Hillary needs to address this mandatory question, but |
CTyankee |
Sep-21-07 11:02 AM |
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By limiting premiums to a percentage of income? I know it's DU-policy to hate Clinton.... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-20-07 08:46 PM |
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Just your and the plan's first point here... |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 09:45 PM |
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we need to lift the HC burden off businesses altogether |
PDenton |
Sep-21-07 12:53 AM |
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I want it to end too, but only if there is a new and better program in place |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 08:13 AM |
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I thought so too until I heard Clinton say that employers she talked to liked the |
CTyankee |
Sep-21-07 11:22 AM |
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where are the percentages listed? |
ikhor |
Sep-21-07 11:29 AM |
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state insurance pool |
PDenton |
Sep-21-07 12:48 AM |
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The status quo is unacceptable |
riqster |
Sep-21-07 08:30 AM |
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What Clinton might be aiming at is the eventual evolution of Medicare for everyone. |
CTyankee |
Sep-21-07 11:29 AM |
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Hank, you may be onto something. |
riqster |
Sep-21-07 12:01 PM |
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Well, I am not the only one saying this, so I can't take that much credit. |
CTyankee |
Sep-21-07 12:23 PM |
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