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Thu Sep-20-07 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #36 |
| 41. No, it's not that simple |
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Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 02:17 PM by sandnsea
Most tax credits aren't, for starters. She didn't propose a paycheck credit, second. And third, EIC in your paycheck requires additional paperwork. I don't know that you can get it right off the bat, without having received it in a refund previously. And, if you owe child support or taxes or student loans, they take it anyway.
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| -Can someone explain to me how Clinton's health plan will help the poor? |
AllyCat |
Sep-20-07 01:18 PM |
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Can I stand with you, waiting for an explanation? |
havocmom |
Sep-20-07 01:20 PM |
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what if people are too poor to pay taxes |
CountAllVotes |
Sep-20-07 01:24 PM |
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But it helps the insurance industry... and Hillary's almost at 50% approval! |
redqueen |
Sep-20-07 01:43 PM |
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believe me, I am not impressed |
CountAllVotes |
Sep-20-07 02:02 PM |
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It is refundable |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:54 PM |
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Eligibility requirements for Medicaid are changing under Hillary's plan. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:06 PM |
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I have never recived an EITC... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-07 03:03 PM |
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Anyone that receives EIC can receive it in their pay checks. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:15 PM |
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Yeah, but she needs to make sure that is flat on the table, cause it's not right now. |
Hoof Hearted |
Sep-21-07 01:01 AM |
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Hillary's plan says it will "strengthen Medicaid." Edwards's says "expand Medicaid". |
CTyankee |
Sep-20-07 02:33 PM |
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Poor people not currently eligible for medicaid because they don't have children. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:02 PM |
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Does Hillary's plan address this group? |
CTyankee |
Sep-20-07 03:42 PM |
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Yes ... |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:54 PM |
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Exactly. It's the same as school vouchers. If your are too poor to send your |
LibInTexas |
Sep-20-07 10:23 PM |
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Reading it now. Haven't gotten to that part yet that I can think of |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 12:26 AM |
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No, no one can explain how it does that, because it doesn't. nm |
dicksteele |
Sep-20-07 01:23 PM |
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No, you have it exactly right |
supernova |
Sep-20-07 01:24 PM |
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because they'll have insurance |
rucky |
Sep-20-07 01:24 PM |
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I don't think it was ever intended to help the poor. |
PA Democrat |
Sep-20-07 01:27 PM |
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She said on Ed Schulz today that it would help and would make it better |
AllyCat |
Sep-20-07 01:30 PM |
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How it will happen - - a lot of the poor use the emergency room as their primary care physician. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 01:51 PM |
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They don't understand |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:52 PM |
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Hillary will be changing the qualification criteria for Medicaid. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 01:58 PM |
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Like how they fixed college |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:05 PM |
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Details, details |
OzarkDem |
Sep-20-07 09:44 PM |
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RIGHT! Just like her husband's welfare deform was never intended to help poor folk, mostly women. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 01:51 PM |
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right on, bobbolink |
Whisp |
Sep-20-07 02:27 PM |
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Thank you, and welcome to DU, Whisp! |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:31 PM |
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please check your PM. and thanks for the welcome. ;) nt |
Whisp |
Sep-20-07 02:45 PM |
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I'm sorry you felt so intimidated that you deleted your post. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:45 PM |
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I still have to get my sea legs around here. |
Whisp |
Sep-20-07 02:57 PM |
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Pretty much just avoid personal insults.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-20-07 03:54 PM |
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Another welcome. I came here after the debacle of '04. Watching a sure victory go down the tubes. |
LibInTexas |
Sep-21-07 12:56 AM |
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"I want to be around for a while and not sure what the rules are and what I am free to say" |
greyhound1966 |
Sep-21-07 12:41 PM |
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LOL... |
Mythsaje |
Sep-20-07 01:27 PM |
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Those tax credits are supposed to limit the percentage of income |
Warpy |
Sep-20-07 01:27 PM |
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More of the poor will be eligible forMedicaid. More Low income children will be eligible for S-Chips |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 01:56 PM |
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Riiighhtttt.... and what happens to the over 300,000 who were kicked off last year? |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:09 PM |
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Those kids will be back on, and even more will be eligible. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:14 PM |
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Since you assume it was "kids", you don't know what I'm talking about. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:18 PM |
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300,000 kids were kicked off S-Chips by Bush. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:19 PM |
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You must have delusions. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:22 PM |
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You responded to my post that mentioned S-Chips. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:05 PM |
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YOU try rereading. You said both Medicaid and S-Chips. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 05:58 PM |
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I'm wondering when Hillary Clinton ever said she cared about the poor |
qanda |
Sep-20-07 01:29 PM |
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She did a (pretty well-done) ad about "the invisible" |
rucky |
Sep-20-07 01:41 PM |
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Well, I'll believe that |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Sep-21-07 08:39 AM |
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You didn't see her wringing her hands when those kicked off welfare were suffering and dying? |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 02:32 PM |
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I can't explain it to you because I don't see how it will. |
sparosnare |
Sep-20-07 01:30 PM |
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More of the poor will receive medicaid. More low income kids will get S-CHIP. Government funded. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 01:41 PM |
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Rent or Insurance Premiums |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:49 PM |
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Name removed |
Sep-20-07 02:01 PM |
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Nothing will ever change |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:07 PM |
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Do your homework and read up on the Earned Income Tax Credit. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:09 PM |
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She didn't propose that |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:12 PM |
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Go do your homework. Go find out what "Tax Credits" are all about. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:21 PM |
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Do you think we don't file taxes? |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:23 PM |
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Tax credit. When I file my state and federal taxes, a credit is something |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 12:35 AM |
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Calling people fool over and over is making you look like one. |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 06:02 PM |
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here's the kicker... |
Forkboy |
Sep-20-07 10:39 PM |
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how much do you pay for Medicare and S-Chips now? |
northzax |
Sep-20-07 03:10 PM |
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A tax credit sure as hell is a tax cut! |
depakid |
Sep-20-07 02:16 PM |
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Tax credits and tax cuts are different. You're wrong. (n/t) |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:38 PM |
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No, they're the exact same thing in practical effect |
depakid |
Sep-20-07 02:46 PM |
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Tax Credits lower your liability.Tax Cuts decrease the percentage, your liability remains the same. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:50 PM |
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The net effect on the treasury amounts to a tax cut |
depakid |
Sep-20-07 03:02 PM |
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If no one uses the money, how will it enrich the the insurance companies? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Sep-20-07 01:45 PM |
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no one can |
leftchick |
Sep-20-07 01:46 PM |
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Obama and Edwards said it was essentially the same as their plans. |
jobycom |
Sep-20-07 01:47 PM |
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I haven't seen Obama say that |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:57 PM |
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Here's his entire statement. |
jobycom |
Sep-20-07 01:59 PM |
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Well then he's an idiot too |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:04 PM |
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They'll be homeless paying premiums |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 01:48 PM |
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You don't know what you are talking about. Tax credits are paid in the paycheck. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:07 PM |
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No, it's not that simple |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:17 PM |
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well ,let see see....... |
madrchsod |
Sep-20-07 02:02 PM |
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There are already programs in place that help the poor like |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 02:04 PM |
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Your statement is outrageous. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 02:17 PM |
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Sorry dearie but I know a lot about this subject. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 02:27 PM |
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i helped my mom and dad go to doctors offices and hospitals |
madrchsod |
Sep-20-07 02:59 PM |
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Extending an improved Medicare to all would solve the problem. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:10 PM |
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I still say your post was outrageous. |
Maribelle |
Sep-20-07 03:10 PM |
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Read this. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:38 PM |
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you mean like the French plan? |
northzax |
Sep-20-07 03:12 PM |
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The French plan would be closer to Edward's plan. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:40 PM |
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cleita, they're the same |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 03:50 PM |
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My little grandson in California gets health insurance for about $6.50 a month |
CTyankee |
Sep-20-07 03:54 PM |
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I don't think Arnold has done anything yet. His plan is still being |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 04:04 PM |
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Well, whatever. Like everyone else, I am so happy he has his care. |
CTyankee |
Sep-20-07 08:37 PM |
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Pssst... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-07 03:14 PM |
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Well, if I don't have any authority in your rolling eyes, read this: |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:41 PM |
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Weren't you... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-07 04:12 PM |
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You know what is outrageous? |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-20-07 03:12 PM |
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BWAHAHAHAHA! When someone knowledgeable posts back to you, |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 05:59 PM |
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" And here I thought it was personal attacks like yours that shut down threads?" |
Forkboy |
Sep-20-07 09:09 PM |
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At least Obama's plan addresses that |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:21 PM |
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Yes, but in states that have mandated insurance like car insurance |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 02:32 PM |
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This monitors insurance nationally |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 02:42 PM |
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Yes, and we will have very expensive health care nationally, |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 03:07 PM |
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So |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 03:13 PM |
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Government is only as good as the legislation that is implemented |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 04:18 PM |
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Some people can't do that |
sandnsea |
Sep-20-07 04:31 PM |
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Yes, the premium is out of reach for a lot. I have friends who |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 04:38 PM |
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PLEEEEZ, not sales tax! That is regressive, and only further sets back people like me! |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 08:46 PM |
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If we do a payroll tax on both employees and employers, where |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 09:33 PM |
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How much do you want me to give you? |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 09:36 PM |
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Sorry Bobbie. I don't mean to hurt you. |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 09:38 PM |
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It DOES hurt when it's so easily dismissed. The same with gas taxes that liberals here |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 09:42 PM |
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Wisconsin does not mandate car insurance. n/t |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 08:10 AM |
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They will die younger and not have the need for health care INSURANCE!! |
dkofos |
Sep-20-07 02:52 PM |
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It's meant to help the poor get in better physical shape. |
Vinca |
Sep-20-07 03:08 PM |
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So Hillary's entire plan is a tax credit??? |
LSK |
Sep-20-07 03:16 PM |
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As I understand it, part of her program will permit people to buy into |
napi21 |
Sep-20-07 04:46 PM |
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She hasn't said if it's an improved Medicare, which is what is |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 04:51 PM |
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There are a lot of details that haven't yet been worked out. |
napi21 |
Sep-20-07 06:12 PM |
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Apparently Dennis Kucinich has. Why can't she? |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 09:51 PM |
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Dennis hasn't either. Not really. Do you really think HC is so |
napi21 |
Sep-20-07 10:19 PM |
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He has, to my satisfaction anyway, and I'm usually on top of |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 10:40 PM |
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I'm really confused about her plan |
Geek_Girl |
Sep-20-07 04:53 PM |
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The way I understood what she said today is that if you don't like |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 12:45 AM |
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Will we go to jail if we DON'T have it??? Will we be denied healthcare?? |
lady of texas |
Sep-20-07 08:42 PM |
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What happens to those who don't have car insurance in states that mandate it? |
bobbolink |
Sep-20-07 08:43 PM |
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Apparently, you have to provide proof of insurance to your employer |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 12:47 AM |
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I agree that Hillary needs to address this mandatory question, but |
CTyankee |
Sep-21-07 11:02 AM |
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By limiting premiums to a percentage of income? I know it's DU-policy to hate Clinton.... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-20-07 08:46 PM |
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Just your and the plan's first point here... |
Cleita |
Sep-20-07 09:45 PM |
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we need to lift the HC burden off businesses altogether |
PDenton |
Sep-21-07 12:53 AM |
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I want it to end too, but only if there is a new and better program in place |
AllyCat |
Sep-21-07 08:13 AM |
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I thought so too until I heard Clinton say that employers she talked to liked the |
CTyankee |
Sep-21-07 11:22 AM |
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where are the percentages listed? |
ikhor |
Sep-21-07 11:29 AM |
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state insurance pool |
PDenton |
Sep-21-07 12:48 AM |
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The status quo is unacceptable |
riqster |
Sep-21-07 08:30 AM |
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What Clinton might be aiming at is the eventual evolution of Medicare for everyone. |
CTyankee |
Sep-21-07 11:29 AM |
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Hank, you may be onto something. |
riqster |
Sep-21-07 12:01 PM |
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Well, I am not the only one saying this, so I can't take that much credit. |
CTyankee |
Sep-21-07 12:23 PM |
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