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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 10:58 AM
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Capitol Hill Mulls 'Regime Change' in Iran
WASHINGTON — Though the Bush administration denies it has any designs on changing Iran's theocracy, members of Congress are planning ways to assist in a possible "regime change."

Movements are afoot in both the House and Senate to pass legislation that would enable the U.S. government to support foreign and domestic pro-democracy groups opposed to the current Islamic republic of Iran.

Aides for Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said the senator is drafting legislation that would resemble a bill he introduced in the last congressional session, the "Iran Freedom and Support Act." (search) Though the language in the new bill is being worked out, it is expected to echo the prior bill in that it would include financial assistance for opposition groups. The original bill did not make it to the Senate floor.

"By supporting the people of Iran, and through greater outreach to pro-democracy groups, we will hopefully foster a peaceful transition to democracy in Iran," Santorum said in a statement regarding his new proposal. "The bill also notes the futility of working with the Iranian government."

Obviously, this is more of the president's 'outline,' in his language, that we need to encourage democracy for people everywhere and encourage liberty — all Americans share that broad vision," said Kurz. "But if we are talking about taking concrete steps to aid dissidents in whatever country, that's going to require a lot of review and also the question of how do we achieve that when we are stretched very thin in Iraq."

Mona Yacoubian, a Middle East expert for the Center for Strategic and International Studies (search), said it is unclear whether the United States has enough credibility in the region to pursue another regime change now, even if it is a non-military one. She said any group seeking to overthrow the dictatorial ayatollahs — who have rendered seemingly moderate President Mohammad Khatami virtually powerless — might not want to have the United States linked to their efforts.

"My gut reaction would be any time an opposition party in that part of world is somehow associated with the United States, its credibility suffers," she said.

Yacoubian said that while a strong underground democracy movement exists, and anti-Americanism is not nearly as high in Iran as it is in places like Saudi Arabia or Egypt, the U.S. invasion of Iraq and reports that the United States may next focus its attention on Iran have not warmed Iranians to the American cause.

But not everybody thinks the Americans would be unwelcome, said Stephen Schwartz, author of "The Two Faces of Islam: The House of Sa'ud from Tradition to Terror." He said regime change led by the United States in Iraq will no doubt have a domino effect of democracy across the region, beginning with Iran.

"The vocabulary I would use is 'accelerating transition,'" he said. "I believe the success of the Iraq election will be a tremendous encouragement of the reform movement in Iran. The Iranians will say, 'If the Iraqis can have this, why can't we?'"
//www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146342,00.html
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:02 AM
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1. don't tell me these people will greet us with flowers too?
nt
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:00 PM
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18. Yep, it'll be a cakewalk
and we'll find tons of anthrax and Nerve toxin, too.

Just wait until the free elections, though.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:02 AM
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2. "If the Iraqis can have this, why can't we?"
Doesn't everyone want civil war?
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:02 AM
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3. How do you say "Chalabi" in Iranian?
Just wondering.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:05 AM
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4. Text of the older 2004 bill
Also sponsored by Santorum. It luckily never got out of committee.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:8:./temp/~c10845rFkZ::
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:52 AM
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5. Here's another article - looks who's behind the regime change:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1520&ncid=1520&e=4&u=/afp/20050208/pl_afp/usirannuclear_050208143518

<snip>
The Committee on the Present Danger, a group of Washington heavyweights, including former Republican secretary of state George Shultz and former Democratic presidential hopeful Joseph Lieberman, have released a document saying, "We recommend a peaceful but forceful strategy to engage the Iranian people to remove the threat and establish a strong relationship, which is in both nations' and the regions's interests."

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:57 AM
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7. The kiss.
I hate Lieberman.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:24 PM
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10. Yes, Lieberman is the modern Judas. n/t
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:32 PM
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12. this is disgusting.... they are pawns for the Global Elite
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:53 PM
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17. This is who is in the Comittee...........
Ken Adelman, former executive committee member
Richard V. Allen, former executive committee member
Martin Anderson, former member
Midge Decter, former member
John S. Foster, Jr., former member
Amoretta M. Hoeber, former board member
Rachelle Horowitz, former member
Fred C. Iklé, former member
Max M. Kampelman, former member
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, former member
Charles Kupperman, former executive committee member
John F. Lehman, former member
Richard Perle, former member
Richard Pipes, former executive committee member
Norman Podhoretz, former associate
Richard Mellon Scaife, former funder
William Schneider, Jr., former executive committee member
George P. Shultz, former member
William R. Van Cleave, former executive committee member

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/cpd.php
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:13 PM
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19. Many on your list are PNAC signatories.
We (and the Middle East, World) are so screwed.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:56 AM
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6. Since this is in Faux.
It means it is being floated for propaganda purposes. Oh shit, for a little while I thought it might not happen.

My two cents: We'll provoke Iran into an Iraqi invasion.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:59 AM
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8. How does that saying go? "Insanity is to repeat the same actions
over and over and expect different results" or something like that.

These blood thirsty chickenhawks are insane! Iran will not be the "cake walk" that they think Iraq has been. We will get our asses handed to us.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:10 PM
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9. If Ricky Santorum is for it it can't be good. I'm "agin" it.
Lying little public tit sucking hypocrite.
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:28 PM
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11. I was under the impression....
That Iran already had Democratic like elections and a Parilment, all of which are up for reelction every 4yrs?

How do you justify removing one Democracy to install your own?
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:33 PM
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14. We only like democracy when it's friendly to US...
just ask the French.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:32 PM
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13. Can'tbeleeva Rice warned Iran not to "provoke Isreal"
in the last day or so. So, maybe Israel is going in?

I can't believe how crazy these people are.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:43 PM
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20. This will be our 'shadowy' enterance/escalation into Iran...
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:01 PM
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15. Yes, get rid of the mullahs and the people will throw flowers at our feet.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:39 PM
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16. Because regime change worked so well in '53...
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 01:40 PM by FlyByNight
when the democratically elected government, by way of a CIA-assisted coup, was overthrown and the Shah was installed. Who then proceeded to brutalize his own people for 25+ years.

Afghanistan and Iraq have been such a smashing success too. Karzai, Unocal's boy, is essentially the mayor of Kabul, where women are hardly better off now than under the Taliban's oppression and where there is now record poppy production - so much for the "War" on (untaxed) Drugs. In Iraq, the Halliburton War will effectively install a Shia dominated government that'll probably be friendly with Iran. Oh, and 100,000+ Iraqis are dead, 1400+ US troops are dead, every pretext for invasion proved false/lies, etc.

This is pure Orwell. Democracy has nothing to do with this. The US government squashed democracy 50+ years ago. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

:puke:

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:16 PM
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21. So if the Iranians publicly passed legislation
that financed efforts to undermine OUR government, that would be OK with these senators, yes?

Or would our reply be...



Redstone
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:05 PM
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22. Conservation of theocracy principle at work
Since Bush's invasion is managing to get a Shia theocracy installed in Iraq, he will naturally want to get one un-installed in Iran. Saddam is looking for a job, so he can run Iran. Balance is restored (less a whole lot of dead people).
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