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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:20 AM
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Task force urges joint (U.S.-Canada-Mexico) security perimeter
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050314.wxnadraft0314/BNStory/National/

By PAUL KORING
Monday, March 14, 2005 Updated at 2:06 AM EST

Washington — Canada, Mexico and the United States should collectively gird against terrorism with a common security perimeter, protecting an increasingly integrated continent where residents freely cross internal borders and the three countries share a common energy strategy.

That's the sweeping and undoubtedly controversial vision for North America that is to be unveiled in Washington today by a blue-ribbon tri-national task force chaired by former Canadian deputy prime minister John Manley, former Mexican finance minister Pedro Aspe and former Massachusetts governor William Weld.

Spurred by self-interest to prevent Washington from slamming shut the border in case of another major terrorist attack against the United States, "Canada and Mexico have an overriding commercial interest in increasing North American security, apart from any other considerations," according to a draft version of the co-chairs' statement, obtained by The Globe and Mail.

The document calls for a "North American economic and security community" by the end of the decade.

... The dream of an evermore integrated North America would be certain to make Canadian nationalists nervous, make Mexicans wary of a U.S. resources grab and prompt American fears about their neighbours' commitment to common security.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:25 AM
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1. My god can I STOP writing prophecy>
by the way, some of this has BEEN IMPLEMENTED in the past... and I will leave it at that
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:31 AM
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2. Yeah - it is easier to guard against the coast line of all of Canada than
just watch the border. This is such bullshit.

John Manley is somehow a little puppy of the rovbots. I do not know how it happened. he has no elected position in the government. I say we allow the USA to just slant drill our tar sands and maybe they will leave us alone. (we will even add a little water so it is not so think... we have lots of that).

Like the average Canadian will really be safer when your guns laws make it here. Then we can have 300 people dying a month by needless gun death (accidents, murder suicide). 300 a month (that comes from the 3000 a month USA has... yeah 3000 a month gun deaths.. the same number killed on 9/11)? That is the combined murder rate for 1/2 our big cities put together - annually.

Yup - we will be really safe then! When our death by violent means rate goes up!


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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:34 AM
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3. Don't worry
We don't want your country. We just want your oil, water, and hydro. Don't cause any trouble, and we won't disturb the CBC or your freedom to upgrade to poutine at Burger King.

:)

(Who said we weren't going to invade Canada? Looks like it begins today.)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:58 AM
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5. You should go to PEI where they have a McLobster Sandwich at
times!

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:38 AM
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4. You can't guard the perimeter
of Canada. It has the longest coastline in the world.

The entire US military couldn't man the border between the US and Canada...it is that long.

The US can't even keep Mexicans out.

Much less Cubans, Haitians...etc.

This is all just big talk.

And Manley has long since lost his chance at leadership.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 03:06 AM
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6. Who is the guy anyway... he rode in to Parliament on the shirttails of
his niece a skater. Then he runs for leadership and fails... now he is rapping at the door when Paul Martin has been in power for less than two years? Who does he think he is?

And now we see that Manley has found some backers for his campaign. I guess he will not be having big fundraisers in Ottawa for the big run some day. Chances are a Florida Mansion or two have already randomly slipped into his hands (I found it).

Oh I see why the hurry! Bush is not happy with Martin. They realize that the neocon conservatives in Canada can never get elected (witness the conservative party congress not talking about any issues so as to fool the people into thinking they are the old conservatives). So Manley is their next choice. But Bush only has 4 years so that means Manley has to take over very soon in order for them to use him. How long does Martin have if he keeps with a surplus and can keep the NDP and block happy? 4 years!!

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Look for Manley to be calling for a leadership review next week (the last won Martin won 6 days ago). Doesn't look like Manley will make it.
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:05 AM
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7. Even with all the 'terra' talk
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 08:05 AM by Wright Patman
the U.S. government in the guise of the * administration NEVER was serious about border enforcement of this formerly sovereign country. * is an open borders guy from way back. He sees it as yet another way to drive down wages and destroy the middle class. As a descendant of royalty, he despises the lower and middle classes and would like to see a return to feudalism.

I heard the other day that border agents were being pulled off the southern border and sent to Iraq to "train" the Iraqis. If they put into practice what they have done here, Iraq won't have any borders anymore.

The whole idea, post-NAFTA, is to merge North America and establish one country, run by the neocons and Wall Street. Today North America, tomorrow the world.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:36 AM
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8. Anschluss Creep
From my blog a few weeks ago, here.

Anschluss Creep

Now that John Negroponte is expected to bring home the Salvador Option, I suspect even more Americans will seriously entertain the Canada Option. Already, since last November 2, more than three times the usual number have left to make a life north of the border. But Americans may not have the opportunity much longer. Not because the border could close, but because the border could, in every meaningful sense, cease to exist.

Keep an eye on this initiative:

Border talks called "disturbing"

OTTAWA—An influential tri-national panel has considered a raft of bold proposals for an integrated North America, including a continental customs union, single passport and contiguous security perimeter.
...
Council of Canadians chairperson Maude Barlow said the summary, a copy of which was obtained by the Toronto Star, was "disturbing" and "shocking."

"What they envisage is a new North American reality with one passport, one immigration and refugee policy, one security regime, one foreign policy, one common set of environmental, health and safety standards ... a brand name that will be sold to school kids, all based on the interests and the needs of the U.S.," she said.

She said the discussions have added weight because the panel includes such political heavyweights as former federal finance minister John Manley.

Thomas d'Aquino, head of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and one of the task force's vice-chairs, said the summary reflected only preliminary discussions and scoffed at Barlow's concerns, saying insinuations of a secret agenda are "totally wrong."


D'Aquino is right; the agenda's no secret. It's the undisguised ambition of generations of continentalists. To someone like d'Aquino, who led corporate Canada's charge for free trade with the US in the 1980s, 9/11 was also an "opportunity." In this instance, to accellerate assimilation. In December 2001, d'Aquino's CCCE created the "CEO Action Group on Canada-United States Co-operation," and he said, "our contributions to the war on terrorism have created an important opportunity to articulate a new vision of the relationship that will enhance Canada's sovereignty and competitiveness within a highly integrated North American economy." (And ya gotta love that Bushian doublespeak: "enhance Canada's sovereignty," indeed.) Keynote speakers at the Council's two-day session included US Ambassador Paul Cellucci and future Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The border suffered a significant breach the following December, when the two governments agreed to terms which would allow their militaries to cross it in order to respond rapidly to a terrorist act. "As an example of a case in which U.S. troops might enter Canada," The Washington Post reported, then-Defense Minister John McCallum "cited a hypothetical biological attack in Vancouver. U.S. forces in Seattle might be able to respond faster than Canadian forces in Ontario." I do not see from McCallum a hypothetical situation in which Canadian forces would be required to enter the United States.

A month later, d'Aquino was at it again:

Tom d'Aquino, the president of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, which is made up of Canada's 150 largest titans, told the Post the border should no longer be seen as a demarcation line between Canada and the United States.

"It should simply be an internal checkpoint," he told the newspaper.

The jointly-managed perimeter would require a common approach to trade, immigration, security and defence. It would see Canadian and American authorities working together to fight terrorism and drug smuggling.


It's never been wise, but always easy, to underestimate Canada's importance to US security. (China's recent interest in making massive investment in Canada's resource sector surely hasn't gone unnoticed by Washington strategists.) There's the gross fact of geography, of course. Canada may offer an example as the other North America, with socialized medicine and gay marriage, but it will never be permitted to fall out of the US orbit. And naturally, there's Canada's role as the United States' principal source of foreign oil and natural gas. But think beyond oil, to fresh water. The Oglala aquifer, beneath the Great Plains, is expected to be exhausted in 30 years. Canada, meanwhile, has the world's largest supply of fresh water, and a tenth of America's population. Canadians have jealously guarded the resource, and refused all talk of bulk export. But we're entering desperate times for the United States, and we know what such times call for.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:46 AM
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9. CAFTA is coming soon
to a city near you.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:39 PM
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10. Bunch of creeps. How far have we come if we are still fighting over
access to water? Canada needs to divest right now. Noranda needs to make a deal with China.
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