'Honour killing' shocks Germany

[emad]

By Ray Furlong
BBC News, Berlin

An impromptu shrine has been created at the place where Hatun Surucu was gunned down.

There are flowers, candles, messages of support and photographs of the 23-year-old Turkish woman, who died of multiple bullet wounds to the head and chest.

The police have arrested her three brothers, in the belief that Mrs Surucu was the latest victim in a series of so-called "honour killings" that have taken place in Berlin in recent months.

"She had no other enemies. This murder bears all the hallmarks of an honour killing," says police psychologist Karl Mollenhauer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4345459.stm

[emad]

1. John Lenon had a line about that.....

"In Islamic culture, the woman is the bearer of the family decency. She must maintain the honour of the family. Men must defend that honour."

Wasn't it: "Woman is the nigger of the world" (Some Time in New York City)?????

[MsMagnificent]

6. Recent history

is replete with those type of killings, I'll use 'Sharia' but may be even more than that. The Fortean Times posts a disturbing number of cases each year of those type of killings. One which I shall NEVER forget, and is very hard to forgive, is a father beheading his own 8-yr-old daughter because her uncle, HIS own brother may have raped her!

MAY have, supposedly the autopsy showed she was still a virgin.

So what does he do?
I'd think if I needed to go take the law into my own hands I'd surely go after the brother... not the little girl.
THAT'S how I'd defend MY family's honor! Some fucking father.

I'm sorry, as politically incorrect as this may sound, these fucking people need to be reeducated and it sure doesn't sound like anyone is doing it. There seems to be a lot of lipflapping in the community but still it keeps happening, on and on and on.
Six murders in as many months!
The article also brings up where the German authorities don't punish these Turkish men in the same way for wife beating or other assaults, they treat women like they were not-very-important-anyhow property. There needs to be Zero Tolerance for any physically violent crime no matter who the perpetrator or the victim is!

WHAT is their attitude?! That it's ONLY a Muslim woman?! If not, then what IS their explanation?

This is just outrageous.

[Kimber Scott]

9. How could what you said possibly be politically incorrect? Murder is

wrong. I don't care who the culprits are, what their culture is, what their religion is, who their daddy is, or what country they run. Murder is wrong.

There is no apology needed in denouncing it - EVER.

[MsMagnificent]

12. The M word

Or I word. You know, that Religion of Peace.
We're all supposed to believe that all are created equal.
And I don't want to foment bigotry, but there is much disturbing in that belief system; even the mainstream. I understand fundies are in every group, but the scope and the lengths they go to is, to me, extremely alarming.

[redqueen]

2. *sigh*

Some encouraging news:

"Women must make their own decisions," read one of the banners at her shrine.

Mrs Surucu's killing has led to an unusually strong public reaction - with Turkish women taking to the streets to protest.



And some which only reminds us that the quote by Lennon above is indeed correct:

"All these girls who come to us are locked in, in the house, by their families. They only go to school because they have to by law - otherwise they wouldn't be allowed. They have to stay at home and cook, and care for the sisters and brothers. The parents don't accept that the girl decides anything by herself."

[GetTheRightVote]

3. When will love not haterd rule this world ?? It would improve it so much

:kick:

[wildflower]

4. I agree, GetTheRightVote.

I hope that we see that day. Perhaps in vain...but I still hope.

-wildflower

[Kimber Scott]

10. They say hate is the strongest emotion. nt

[applegrove]

5. When fundies go nuts - secularity will just have to get serious.

[xchrom]

7. yes -- and probably with a bang.

christian fundies -- muslim fundies -- oh and there are others -- they are all just nuts -- and pushing things WAY too far.

this story is so sad.
just makes you wanna hit something.
which is all wrong on the one hand -- but it's 2005!

we should all be further along than this.

[applegrove]

11. I do not have any problem with religious who are devout. In fact I

quite admire them. You should see some Muslim women being interviewed about their religion. It is when the science and human rights are ignored that I get upset. Religion is a great gift to humans... to ability to be a little stronger because you have faith. Nothing wrong with having an endless supply of digging deeper.

I just do not want to see fundies used by radicals & misogynists to control people and grievously hurt people's lives.

[me b zola]

8. Agreed

I sometimes wonder if religious fundamentalism is a greater threat to humanity than nukes. Just a little nugget that comes to mind every now & then.