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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:39 PM
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Report: Afghanistan 'One Huge U.S. Jail'
'One huge US jail'

Saturday March 19, 2005
The Guardian

Washington likes to hold up Afghanistan as an exemplar of how a rogue regime can be replaced by democracy. Meanwhile, human-rights activists and Afghan politicians have accused the US military of placing Afghanistan at the hub of a global system of detention centres where prisoners are held incommunicado and allegedly subjected to torture. The secrecy surrounding them prevents any real independent investigation of the allegations. "The detention system in Afghanistan exists entirely outside international norms, but it is only part of a far larger and more sinister jail network that we are only now beginning to understand," Michael Posner, director of the US legal watchdog Human Rights First, told us.

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Prisoner transports crisscross the country between a proliferating network of detention facilities. In addition to the camps in Gardez, there are thought to be US holding facilities in the cities of Khost, Asadabad and Jalalabad, as well as an official US detention centre in Kandahar, where the tough regime has been nicknamed "Camp Slappy" by former prisoners. There are 20 more facilities in outlying US compounds and fire bases that complement a major "collection centre" at Bagram air force base. The CIA has one facility at Bagram and another, known as the "Salt Pit", in an abandoned brick factory north of Kabul. More than 1,500 prisoners from Afghanistan and many other countries are thought to be held in such jails, although no one knows for sure because the US military declines to comment.

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Camp Salerno, which houses the 1,200 troops of US Combined Taskforce Thunder, was being expanded when we arrived. Army tents were being replaced with concrete dormitories. The detention facility, concealed behind a perimeter of opaque green webbing, was being modernised and enlarged. Ensconced in a Soviet-era staff building was the camp's commanding officer, Colonel Gary Cheeks. He listened calmly as we asked about the allegations of torture, deaths and disappearances at US detention facilities including Salerno. We read to him from a complaint made by a UN official in Kabul that accused the US military of using "cowboy-like excessive force". He eased forward in his chair: "There have been some tragic accidents for which we have apologised. Some people have been paid compensation."

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What has been glimpsed in Afghanistan is a radical plan to replace Guantánamo Bay. When that detention centre was set up in January 2002, it was essentially an offshore gulag - beyond the reach of the US constitution and even the Geneva conventions. That all changed in July 2004. The US supreme court ruled that the federal court in Washington had jurisdiction to hear a case that would decide if the Cuban detentions were in violation of the US constitution, its laws or treaties. The military commissions, which had been intended to dispense justice to the prisoners, were in disarray, too. No prosecution cases had been prepared and no defence cases would be readily offered as the US National Association of Criminal Defence Lawyers had described the commissions as unethical, a decision backed by a federal judge who ruled in January that they were "illegal". Guantánamo was suddenly bogged down in domestic lawsuits. It had lost its practicality. So a global prison network built up over the previous three years, beyond the reach of American and European judicial process, immediately began to pick up the slack. The process became explicit last week when the Pentagon announced that half of the 540 or so inmates at Guantánamo are to be transferred to prisons in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,1440836,00.html
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:41 PM
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1. why wouldn't it be?
Instutionalized torture in the form of jailhouse rape is accepted and even encouraged in the United States prison system, and that's our own people who will be going back into the community to spread their newly acquired infectious diseases. We aren't going to treat "terra-ists" better than our own.

We need to clean house from top to bottom in our treatment of the accused and the convicted.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:48 PM
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2. What is being done in the name of the American people
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 08:52 PM by SpiralHawk
by BushCo, Halliburton, and Cronies, Inc. is exceedingly dark and ugly. There's only one word that accurately describes what they are doing, and Connecticut Yankee George W. Bush gave it to us himself: Evil. Take a look in the mirror, Mr. Bush. When you point a finger, remember that 3 other fingers are pointing back at you.

Wake up America. So much is gone already.

"Be thou a soul to fullness grown,
Arise to gain thy dreams."
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:56 PM
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3. ... .... .... ....
"The US army declined to comment on Ismail's death or on a second fatal shooting by another prison transport at the same crossroads later that month. It also refused to comment on an incident outside Kabul when a prison patrol reportedly cleared a crowd of children by throwing a grenade into their midst."

Freaking hell, I'm so tired of neoAmerica and its bullshit. What are we doing? We have got to get the rest of America to wake up.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:16 PM
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5. Afghan people are longing for the days of Taliban rule
Violent crime spurs nostalgia for Taliban

By N.C. Aizenman
Updated: 7:57 a.m. ET March 18, 2005

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - "We are savage, cruel people," the kidnappers warned in a note sent to Abdul Qader, demanding $15,000 to spare the life of his son Mohammed, 11. The construction contractor quickly borrowed the money and left it at the agreed spot. But the next morning, a shopkeeper found the boy's bruised corpse lying in a muddy street.


A wave of crime in this southern Afghan city — including Mohammed's killing two months ago and a bombing Thursday that killed at least five people — has evoked a growing local nostalgia for the Taliban era of 1996 to 2001, when the extremist Islamic militia imposed law and order by draconian means.

Residents reached their boiling point last week, after a second kidnapped boy was killed. Hundreds of men poured into the streets, demanding that President Hamid Karzai fire the provincial governor and police chief. Some threw rocks at military vehicles and chanted, "Down with the warlords!" Witnesses recalled some adding, "Bring back the Taliban!"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7225615
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:57 PM
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4. And the UN human rights report is silent on this issue
no wonder no one is paying any attention to the report.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:19 PM
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6. there's a documentary airing on LinkTV about the massacre there
http://linktv.com/programming/programDescription.php4?code=massacre

n November, 2001, during the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan, thousands of Taliban prisoners were killed while traveling in sealed containers on their way from Kunduz to a prison at Sheberghan. The bodies of the dead and some who survived were then buried in a mass grave at nearby Dasht-i-Leile. U.S. special forces were closely involved and in charge at the time. Were they involved in a war crime? The Pentagon denies the events. The eyewitnesses tell what happened.

Spotlight is a weekly series of investigative reports from around the world, introduced by author and Journalist Mark Hertsgaard. Mr. Hertsgaard’s latest book is “The Eagle's Shadow: Why America Fascinates and Infuriates the World."
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:02 PM
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9. Watch the documentay here.....
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 11:46 PM
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14. thanks for the link, n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:55 PM
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7. Emulating what has happend in the good ol' USofA (nt)
Peace.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:01 PM
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8. ...and we wonder why folks in the world hate us.
The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons: Fyodor Dostoyevsky: Russian novelist, 1821-1881
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:29 PM
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10. But.....
Michael Jackson Michael Jackson Michael Jackson Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson Michael Jackson George "giggling killer" Bush Michael Jackson Michael Jackson
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It's so damn noisy out there...
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:38 PM
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11. The Russians have a word for prison without trial; GULAG.

American gulags; now I've seen it all. Jesus Christ, what the fuck have we become?
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:52 PM
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12. What have we become?
Early on, I read about these bodies but could never hold on to a link. Maybe C-Span could air this Sunday! Right?
Our country will never overcome this horror we have inflicted on people. It's disgusting, there are no correct words to describe it.
It defies reason...

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 11:24 PM
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13. Amerika under the Bush Junta...
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 11:26 PM by Disturbed
is rapidly becoming another Fascist Police State.
The chant of spreading "freedom" is a cruel hoax perpetrated upon the world, while Multi-corps devour resources and crush anyone standing in the path towards that endeavor.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:08 AM
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15. One reality being created by this
...is that as soon as we release a prisoner, that guy looks to become what we think of as a terrorist. We are creating a whole new family of people seeking revenge on the US.

It amazes me that we have soldiers, and the brass, that condone such prisons and the torture therein. You would think such enablers would be hard to find? Then again, there are some sadistic people out there.
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:17 AM
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16. That's exactly the word that came to my mind
Furthermore, if we continue down the GOP and neocon path, the US will become as despised and hated as the old Soviet Union was. I guess we're well on our way, according to the latest Pew surveys.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:39 AM
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17. Afghanistan is bleaker...than it was under the Taliban
Another bush "mission accomplished".

How did so many Americans become so damned stupid?
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:03 AM
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18. Afghanistan: 'One Huge US Jail'
Afghanistan is the hub of a global network of detention centres, the frontline in America's 'war on terror,' where arrest can be random and allegations of torture commonplace. Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark investigate on the ground and talk to former prisoners.

Saturday March 19, 2005
The Guardian

Kabul was a grim, monastic place in the days of the Taliban; today it's a chaotic gathering point for every kind of prospector and carpetbagger. Foreign bidders vying for billions of dollars of telecoms, irrigation and construction contracts have sparked a property boom that has forced up rental prices in the Afghan capital to match those in London, Tokyo and Manhattan. Four years ago. the Ministry of Vice and Virtue in Kabul was a tool of the Taliban inquisition, a drab office building where heretics were locked up for such crimes as humming a popular love song. Now it's owned by an American entrepreneur who hopes its bitter associations won't scare away his new friends.

Outside Kabul, Afghanistan is bleaker, its provinces more inaccessible and lawless, than it was under the Taliban. If anyone leaves town, they do so in convoys. Afghanistan is a place where it is easy for people to disappear and perilous for anyone to investigate their fate. Even a seasoned aid agency such as Medecins Sans Frontieres was forced to quit after five staff members were murdered last June. Only the 17,000 strong US forces, with their all-terrain Humvees and Apache attack helicopters, have the run of the land, and they have used the haze of fear and uncertainty that has engulfed the country to advance a draconian phase of the war against terror. Afghanistan has become the new Guantanamo Bay.

Washington likes to hold up Afghanistan as an exemplar of how a rogue regime can be replaced by democracy. Meanwhile, human-rights activists and Afghan politicians have accused the US military of placing Afghanistan at the hub of a global system of detention centres where prisoners are held incommunicado and allegedly subject to torture. The secrecy surrounding them prevents any real independent investigation of the allegations. "The detention system in Afghanistan exists entirely outside international norms, but it is only part of a far larger and more sinister jail network that we are only now beginning to understand," Michael Posner, director of the US legal watchdog Human Rights First, told us.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,1440836,00.html
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:48 AM
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19. Welcome to bush world Welcome to hell
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:21 AM
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20. Truly horrifying. nt
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