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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:49 PM
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Newsweek: Torn Between Faith & Science (Bill Frist)
Torn Between Faith & Science
He's a doctor and a pol, the Senate leader and a White House wanna-be. It's not always easy being Bill Frist.


By Howard Fineman
Chief Political Correspondent
NewsweekApril 25 issue - Sen. Bill Frist is a heart surgeon who admires what he calls "the surgical personality": precise, sensitive to details, focused. He and his aides thought they had found a politically surgical way for him to participate in a nationally televised prayer service with fervent religious conservatives at a megachurch in Louisville, Ky., next Sunday. The topic: the need to ease the Senate filibuster debate rule so that the Republican majority can confirm President George W. Bush's most controversial judicial nominations. Frist's role: a brief, four-minute videotape stressing a secular argument—that presidents deserve "up or down" votes on all picks. "The senator won't be talking about his own faith and won't be speaking from a pulpit," said an aide.

But even Solomon couldn't split this baby. The hemorrhaging began when the sponsor, Family Research Council, hit the Web with fliers and press releases dubbing the event "Justice Sunday—Stopping the Filibuster Against People of Faith" and depicting a perplexed teenage boy weighing a Bible in one hand and a judge's gavel in the other. The flame-throwing message—filibusterers are anti-Christian—predictably infuriated Democrats (and the editorial page of The New York Times, which had front-paged the story). But even some Bible-belt Republicans were troubled by Frist's involvement in the event. "Questioning a senator's motives in that way is a very dangerous precedent," Sen. Lindsey Grahamof South Carolina told NEWSWEEK. "That goes to a level where the Senate has never gone before. It is a very unhealthy turn of events."

So goes the saga of Bill Frist, who is in a never-ending and often messy struggle to harness the conflicting forces of his public life: between the soothing words he needs to utter as Senate majority leader and the strong preaching he needs to deliver as a GOP presidential wanna-be; between the science-based empiricism of medicine and the faith-based absolutes of the Gospels; between the hard-shell Southern base of the Republican Party (and his own base in Tennessee) and the Blue State moderates he'll have to appeal to should he manage to secure the 2008 nomination. All the vectors are crossing now, as Frist tries to win a dicey vote on watering down the filibuster rule. "If he wants to run for president, this is a test Bill Frist has to pass," said Richard Lessner of the American Conservative Union. Frist's appeal—and his predicament—are symbolized by his list of titles: "Majority Leader" on the floor, "M.D." on his office door, plus a new one some of his colleagues derisively call him behind his back in the cloakroom: "Reverend."

There's power—or at least good publicity—in earnest efforts to blend roles. The doctor in Frist is a go-to guy on bioterrorism, for example. After 9/11—and the anthrax episode on Capitol Hill—he wrote a useful how-to book on emergency treatment of diseases that could be spread in an attack. But multitasking can look politically manipulative—or worse. At least that's how many fellow members of the Harvard Medical School class of 1978 view his role in the case of the late Terri Schiavo. As she lay dying in Florida, Frist—who said he had reviewed court documents and videos—appeared on the Senate floor. Saying he "spoke more as a doctor than a senator," he declared that "there seems to be insufficient information to conclude" that Schiavo—an icon to religious conservatives—was in a "persistent vegetative state" that would justify allowing her to die.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7529448/site/newsweek/
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:59 PM
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1. Good Grief! Another pol with an out loud Hamlet moment...
To be or not to be...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:01 PM
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2. even Lindsey Grahm is against this idea.



....But even some Bible-belt Republicans were troubled by Frist's involvement in the event. "Questioning a senator's motives in that way is a very dangerous precedent," Sen. Lindsey Grahamof South Carolina told NEWSWEEK. "That goes to a level where the Senate has never gone before. It is a very unhealthy turn of events."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:03 PM
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4. you get 3 for 1 with Frist


All the vectors are crossing now, as Frist tries to win a dicey vote on watering down the filibuster rule. "If he wants to run for president, this is a test Bill Frist has to pass," said Richard Lessner of the American Conservative Union. Frist's appeal—and his predicament—are symbolized by his list of titles: "Majority Leader" on the floor, "M.D." on his office door, plus a new one some of his colleagues derisively call him behind his back in the cloakroom: "Reverend."
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:02 PM
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3. Could a politician be more boring?
I don't see a man of depth...I see a man hoping to package himself as something he's not...

someone worth a vote.

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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:04 PM
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5. even Bob Dole has more charisma n/t
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 04:05 PM by Charlie Brown
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 09:23 PM
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27. At least Dole had a sense of humor...
a very caustic and sardonic sense of humor. Something I have no problem with :) Not that I'm defending Dole...

You're right. Frist is a hollow man.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:25 PM
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6. FrankenFrist looks a little more ghoulish each time I see him.
Dark, sucken eyes, hollow face...must go to the same day spa as Coulter.

I hope that this latest stunt to push us further toward a theocracy does FrankenFrist in.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:32 PM
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7. Hmm...wonder how he's flying into here
Wouldn't mind greeting him at the airport with some signs!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:33 PM
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8. He's a go-to guy on anthrax alright.
And cats.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:42 PM
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10. I wouldnt go to him for anything
What kind of a doctor diagnoses a patient without actually examining her?

This alone is enough for me. When you add the cat napping and surgery and then stir in the religious crap, I am so turned off I can't even see straight.

In many ways, I think Frist may be even worse than DeLay.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:59 PM
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20. Go right down the line of Republican politicians. It's like a freak show
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 07:59 PM by w4rma
of egotistical ambitious misfits.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:15 PM
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21. I was just thinking
that once DeLay is gone, there are plenty of targets left.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 09:19 PM
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26. Yea, I wonder about his anthrax info...did he prescribe the Cipro on 9-13?
How come he knows so much about aids virus in tears?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 10:04 PM
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28. That whole anthrax episode had a lot of unusual features.
It made me wonder then, and it still does.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:37 PM
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9. The real dilemma for guys like him is this:
If there is a God then surely Frist and his Ilk are headed to Hell when all is said and done. So he should be praying there ISN'T a God, so he wont go to Hell. Or should he just act according to what Christ taught, and have to give up pandering. What a Dilemma!
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Jandar Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:57 PM
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11. Notice the "not so" subliminal Halo in the photograph ...
iconography in the modern age.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:12 PM
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12. I thought it was a Carmen Miranda type hat.
Oh well, I guess I am not the sort they are directing the religious symbolism at.
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:15 PM
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13. more like torn between kissing ass and his personal political gains
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:16 PM
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14. Yes, yes---and he thinks you can get AIDS from tears
Science went bye-bye a long time ago. He's torn between Money and Power, and doesn't allow medicine to get in the way.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 06:56 PM
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15. Torn between avarice & power-lust, more like it.
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 06:57 PM by Jackpine Radical
And anyway, what's with these RW wackos and their halo pix? That slimy photog got the circles in the ceiling just right, didn't he?

Edited to comment: I hadn't seen the post above when I did this one.
Great minds, I guess.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:02 PM
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16. Sounds about right, pander to the rw Christian jihadists to lock in
the nomination in 08.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:04 PM
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17. Doctors are saying a lot worse about him -- in private
Believe me, there are state medical associations across this country which would love to come right out (as the California Medical ASsociation did) and say Frist is an idiot about his "diagnosis" of Schiavo. But since Frist is their man in Washington who'll fight for malpractice caps, a lot of docs are keeping a lid on their criticism. But I'm hearing about it in private!
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:12 PM
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19. Yep- - I'm hearing the same....
Physicians who are totally disgusted with his antics, now renamed FRISTING 'making a long distance diagnosis via videotape with your head up your ass'
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:10 PM
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18. How did Frist ever get
into Medical School? He seems about as bright as a turnip.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:17 PM
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22. Legacy from a medical family.
There must be a Frist Hall or Frist Hemmorhoid Research Lab somewhere.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:29 PM
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23. its hard being a sell out and a hypocrite. Once you descend into
the swamp of insanity that the right wing operates in, you can't get out. Quicksand, dr. idiot. Quicksand. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:46 PM
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24. Gotta love it! Hillary will absolutely crucify Frist with his hard core
religiousity come 2008. The majority of Americans are really
starting to get fed up with the religious right. Let Frist
consume his political future in the glaring fire of his nuclear option.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 09:17 PM
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25. Seems like he doesn't know jack-shit about either one.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 10:32 PM
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29. I feel....
....sorry for you Uncle Bill....you seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place....

....'If he wants to run for president, this is a test Bill Frist has to pass'....oh boy, Uncle Bill, cannibals....
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