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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:15 AM
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ACLU, Others Suing FBI To Disclose If It Monitored Political Activities
http://www.kotv.com/main/home/storiesNL.asp?whichpage=1&id=83410

Five civil rights, animal rights and environmental groups are joining together to sue the FBI to release records about monitoring of anti-war and other political activities by federal agents assigned to counterterrorism duties.

The American Civil Liberties Union said the decision to file a lawsuit Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Washington came after the FBI ignored Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents. The other organizations involved are the American-Arab Anti-discrimination Committee, Greenpeace, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and United for Peace and Justice. The groups say they have been subjected to scrutiny by task forces set up to combat terrorism.

The ACLU provided a list of examples, including the Quaker-affiliated American Friends Service Committee that had been monitored by Denver police and was listed as an ``active case'' by a local terrorism task force.

Sarah Bardwell has no criminal record, according to a partially censored report from the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force in Denver. The report said her Denver residence was ``found to be associated'' with two groups that were of interest to the FBI. Bardwell said one of the groups, Food Not Bombs, distributes vegetarian food to the hungry. ``They are stretching as far as they can to insinuate that these organizations are doing something wrong,'' she said.


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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:36 AM
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1. why do the Quakers
hate 'merka'?

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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:00 AM
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2. Food Not Bombs feeds the hungry...
...protesters at every rally I've ever been to. They have food donated which they cook up and serve for free to anyone. That's why the police had a file on them. Imagine the nerve of those people handing out free food at protest rallies!

My seminary was on the list, too. Obviously, we're a dangerous religious faction, like the Quakers! :eyes:
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:46 AM
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10. Their history (from FNB website)
I think one of their local groups here serves up food to the downtown homeless on the weekend.



http://www.foodnotbombs.net/

The Food Not Bombs Story

Food Not Bombs is one of the fastest growing revolutionary movements active today and is gaining momentum. There are hundreds of autonomous chapters sharing free vegetarian food with hungry people and protesting war and poverty throughout the Americas, Europe, Asia and Australia. Food Not Bombs is organizing for an end to the occupations of Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. We also support actions against the globalization of the economy, restrictions to the movements of people and the destruction of the earth.


The first group was formed in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1980 by anti-nuclear activists. Food Not Bombs is an all volunteer organization dedicated to nonviolence. Food Not Bombs has no formal leaders and strives to include everyone in its decision making process. Each group recovers food that would otherwise be thrown out and makes fresh hot vegetarian meals that are served in city parks to anyone without restriction. The groups also serve free vegetarian meals at protests and other events. The San Francisco Chapter has been arrested over 1,000 times in an effort to silence its protest against the Mayor's anti- homeless policies. Amnesty International states it may adopt those Food Not Bombs volunteers that are imprisoned as "Prisoners of Conscience" and will work for their unconditional release.

Food Not Bombs works in coalition with groups like Earth First!, The Leonard Peltier Defense Committee, Anarchist Black Cross, the IWW, Homes Not Jails, Anti Racist Action, In Defense of Animals, the Free Radio Movement and other organizations on the cutting edge of positive social change and resistance to the new global austerity program. One collective publishes a movement wide newsletter called A Food Not Bombs Menu. Another hosts FNB News where you can learn more about the Food Not Bombs community. Food Not Bombs Publishing in Takoma Park, Maryland publishes books like On Conflict and Consensus which has been an important guide for group democracy. We hope you will join us in taking direct action towards creating a world free from domination, coercion and violence. Food is a right, not a privilege.


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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:07 AM
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12. I don't doubt they feed the homeless.
I was merely pointing out that the reason they made the spy files. No other agency that feeds the poor was listed... and Food Not Bombs is at every proptest... they were watched because fed protesters for free.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:18 PM
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17. Oh, I know...
I really was NOT trying to "correct" you...sorry if it came across that way. I was just trying to share what I found on their history from the website and the homeless part caught my eye cuz I remembered seeing elsewhere that on the weekends they feed the downtown Dallas homeless (as opposed to the city of Dallas that literally just got done leveling the homeless camp here a few weeks ago).
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:25 PM
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22. What a scary group! Fortunately, the FIB watches them night and day. eom
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:18 AM
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3. My neighbor is being prosecuted under a new Anti Terrorism Patriot Act
for yelling at his wife. The grandmother told me for sure it's part of a new Anti Terrorism law the California DA is pressing against her son. The Public Defender knew nothing about this law as did no one else did. I'm assuming it's part of the Patriot Act? Or CA law? Here's the story first hand from the grandmother. Her son/husband and wife on the rocks, breaking up and already living separate for a few months. He's in the hotel and hears his truck start up. It's his wife stealing it. She drives home. Police arrive at her home for another incident. Husband calls her and says, "You're going to find yourself dead on the road if you don't bring my truck back. It has all my tools in it and I can't work without it. I have to pay the hotel bills." The police heard this on speaker phone and told the wife to file a complaint/restraining order. The wife did what the police said. The husband and wife never had a history of ever fighting and never any hitting. When the wife found out what was really happening to her husband she sign an affidavit stating that she knew it was really no threat and she never ever felt threatened by him ever in their marraige. These people don't have money but son was in prison for a drug possession charge. (Like Nicole Bush except going to federal prison for less than what she did.) The PD, who sounds like he could care less what happens says, husband is still very possible to go to federal prison for 7 years under the new "Terrorism" law. The DA is pressing for enforcement of the Terrorism Law.

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FBI Whistleblower Testifies That Government Scientist Lied About Bomb Crystals
A government scientist lied when he claimed that ammonium nitrate crystals found on Oklahoma City bombing debris had been embedded by the force of the blast, an FBI whistleblower testified Wednesday at bombing conspirator Terry Nichols' state murder trial.

Frederic Whitehurst, testifying for the defense, said an FBI forensic scientist he trained himself, Steven Burmeister, also lied when he testified that the crystals came from the kind of fertilizer believed to have been used in the bombing.

Whitehurst said there was not enough evidence to support either of Burmeister's conclusions.

"He is my student. And I trust him like a brother. But he lied under oath. He lied," Whitehurst said, appearing to grimace with emotion.
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAHWG3VFUD.html


Lost In Translation
Edmonds says that the supervisor, in an effort to slow her down, went so far as to erase completed translations from her FBI computer after she'd left work for the day.


“The next day I would come to work, turn on my computer and the work would be gone. The translation would be gone,” she says. “Then I had to start all over again and retranslate the same document. And I went to my supervisor and he said, ‘Consider it a lesson and don't talk about it to anybody else and don't mention it.’”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/60minutes/main526954.shtml


FBI official charged with obstruction after concealing Ruby Ridge report
(Harp was in on this too and now he heads the anthrax cover-up.)
http://www.cnn.com/US/9610/22/ruby.ridge.final /


Busting the FBI
The Judi Bari verdict bares government lies and deceit
They found that six agents of the FBI and the Oakland police twisted a murder attempt against Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney, two Earth First! activists working to reform logging practices
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/31/news-kuipers.php


Fighting an FBI frame-up
An Earth First! member relates how she and Darryl Cherney were framed by the FBI for a car bombing that nearly killed them. The frame-up was one of a long series of events in the FBI's campaign against the environmental movement. It has been four years since Darryl Cherney and I were nearly killed in a 1990 car-bomb assassination attempt, then arrested for possession of the bomb
http://www.wildrockies.org/cove/news/62194nw.html


Did The FBI Destroy Evidence?
The FBI and prosecutors ordered the destruction in 1999 of evidence from a bank robbery they once suspected linked Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh to white supremacists who were threatening before McVeigh's bombing to attack the government, documents show.
The evidence included a surveillance videotape of a bank robbery by some of the supremacists that occurred in Ohio five months before the bombing. The FBI lab compared the tape to pictures of McVeigh, but concluded a match was "inconclusive," internal memos show.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/12/national/main540266.shtml



FBI Whistleblower Harassed
Special agent John Roberts says he was threatened, intimidated and humiliated for exposing what he said has become a pattern of misconduct at the highest levels of the FBI and that has gone unpunished.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/25/60minutes/main530750.shtml



FBI Meeting Called A Sham
A Justice Department investigation into a 1997 retirement dinner for former FBI Deputy Director Larry A. Potts said senior bureau executives used a sham conference at the FBI training academy in Quantico, Va., to justify using taxpayer funds for cross-country travel to Washington.
http://www.americansovereign.com/newsarchive/fbisham.htm



Phone records: Link from state official to FBI
Deputy AG reportedly sought federal aid to find missing Democrats
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/politics/state/stories/...


The FBI is conducting an exhaustive review of each of its thousands of human intelligence sources to ensure the information they provide is accurate and that their relationships with FBI handlers are proper.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/28/national/main551346.shtml

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Earth Threatened, Wen Ho Lee Released
http://unquietmind.com/wenholee.html

Wen Ho Lee is Just one more example of FBI Misdirection. Many elements of the case are similar to Unabomber Charade. Together they are textbook examples of Government tactics on Black Ops.
http://www.unabombers.com/z23.htm

http://www.wenholee.org /

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FBI Agent, Turner, blew whistle on Ground Zero, 911, theft.
She says she immediately reported the problem to a federal prosecutor, then to her supervisor, and waited for him to act.
Two weeks later, after nothing apparently had been done, Turner seized the globe, bagged it as evidence and took it to Justice Department officials in Washington.
(She's being fired.)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/907004.asp?0cv=CB10

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Poll: 4 out of 10 Americans don't trust FBI
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001-05-22-mcveigh-pollstory.htm

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With defense lawyers stepping up challenges to genetic evidence, the Justice Department inspector general is examining the FBI lab unit that analyzes DNA in hundreds of cases a year after a technician was caught failing to follow proper procedure.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/11/tech/main543575.shtml

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FBI says it withheld evidence from McVeigh lawyers
http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/05/10/mcveigh.evidence.02 /

Nichols: FBI Withheld On Purpose
A lawyer for Terry Nichols, who was convicted as Timothy McVeigh's assistant in the Oklahoma City bombing, claimed the FBI may have intentionally withheld documents from defense lawyers and misled federal prosecutors.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/05/14/national/main291113.shtml

FBI report on agents released after long delay

An internal FBI report kept under wraps for three years details dozens of cases of agents fired for egregious misconduct and crimes, including drug trafficking, attempted murder, theft, misuse of informants and consorting with prostitutes.

The report, released Wednesday by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, found that about one in 1,000 agents was dismissed for serious misconduct or criminal offenses by the FBI during the period examined, from 1986 to 1999. The average was between eight and nine per year.

Although the numbers were small, the FBI’s attempts to prevent the report’s disclosure from the public and Congress since its completion in June 2000 is raising questions among FBI critics about an attempt to avoid embarrassment.

Grassley, a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a letter Wednesday to FBI Director Robert Mueller that he was concerned about “a lack of response to the findings and recommendations, a general lack of support for the project and even efforts to prevent its completion.”

Grassley said the report “almost never saw the light of day.” It was only provided to lawmakers in July 2003, months after it was requested, and was accompanied by a Justice Department letter urging that it be kept confidential.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4312671/



PORTLAND, May 24 (Reuters) - A Muslim attorney from Oregon, held for two weeks, often manacled and chained, as a material witness in the March 11 train bombing in Spain, was cleared on Monday with an apology from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation.

"Hamdullilah, thank God I'm here," 37 year-old Brandon Mayfield told a packed press conference.

Mayfield, who was released on Friday, had been held under the 1984 material witness law because Spanish authorities and the Federal Bureau of Investigation had thought that a single fingerprint on a bag with detonators found near a Madrid train station matched his print.

But the Federal District Court said on Monday that "he was the victim of a misidentification by the FBI" and at a separate FBI press conference, Robert Jordan, the FBI agent in charge of the Oregon office, apologized to Mayfield and his family for the hardships his detention has caused.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N24384876.htm


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FBI Whistleblower Claims Confirmed

WASHINGTON, July 29, 2004


"The problems were systemic problems that existed within the FBI's translation units that involve security breaches and also incompetence. These were the problems I reported."
Sibel Edmonds


(CBS) A newly disclosed letter confirmed charges by a former FBI interpreter that she was fired at least in part because she blew the whistle on incompetent workers at the bureau.

When the FBI fired interpreter Sibel Edmonds more than two years ago after only a few months on the job, it had no idea the can of worms it was opening up. And today it got yet another taste.

In a letter released on Capitol Hill, FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged that the a recently concluded internal Justice Department investigation found "a contributing factor" in Edmonds firing was the fact that she had accused the bureau of ineptitude, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

Edmonds insisted today, the ineptitude still exists.

"The problems were systemic problems that existed within the FBI's translation units that involve security breaches and also incompetence. These were the problems I reported," she said.

Edmonds is now working on her PhD and acts as an advisor to the Sept. 11 families. It was just after the Sept. 11 attacks that she offered her services to the FBI as a Turkish and Middle Eastern language specialist.

But shortly after joining the bureau's Washington field office, she said she encountered sloppy work by colleagues and was told by superiors to work slower so the bureau might justify demands for a bigger budget.

"I was warned that if I were to make these issues public and take them outside the bureau I would be retaliated against and I would be fired. And exactly that's what occurred," she said.

Mueller said he would work with the Justice Department to determine whether disciplinary action is required of any bureau employees as a result of the Edmonds case.

Meanwhile the bureau insists it has made progress with its translation problems by hiring more interpreters. On Sept. 11 it had only 70 Arabic speakers. Now it has over 200, but acknowledges it still needs more.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/29/eveningnews/main632983.shtml


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U.S. to Unseal Evidence in Failed China Spy Case

A federal judge threw out the government's case against Leung in January, saying prosecutors had engaged in misconduct by barring her FBI handler, James Smith, from talking to Leung's lawyers.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=nm/security_leung_dc

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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:39 AM
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4. And the list continues to grow..
Edited on Wed May-18-05 01:40 AM by Blaze Diem
Its time the Patriot Act is used to truley protect America Citizens and should be turned against the "yeee haww good ol boys" style of policing.
Best of Luck to those who continue to fight aginst a corrupt government.
Very best luck to the true patriots and fighters of our blessed Contstitution.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:49 AM
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5. Let It Backfire
..on the authors of The P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Acts and it's supporters. It's a farce and nearly identical to Hitler's Enabling Act.
Prior to 9/11, the FBI were under investigation for corruption. On 9/12, those investigations ceased and the FBI were given more power. What kind of sense does that make?
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:30 AM
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6. Kick
for important info and links
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:42 AM
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7. ACLU seeks files from FBI on possible surveillance
From Today's Boston Globe:

"The American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts is seeking FBI files on behalf of four advocacy groups and 10 activists in the state, saying it believes they have been targets of surveillance because of their politics."


http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/05/18/aclu_seeks_files_from_fbi_on_possible_surveillance/
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:42 AM
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8. "targets of surveillance because of their politics."



History ALWAYS repeats itself.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:42 AM
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9. Yeah,
Surveilling the AFSC got the FBI so much useful information on terrorism during their first extended surveillance of the organization. http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/committe.htm It's probably worth spending money on again. As I recall from reading the files from the FBI when the AFSC first obtained them in the 70's, the files from the first period of surveillance included lots of fascinating information about the evil activities of dead Quakers whom FBI apparently still believed were alive (like George Fox, William Penn, etc.)...

With valuable information like that, there's no sense spending the money on insignificant things like caring for sick children. :sarcasm: http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/living/community/11674318.htm (For those who don't want to subscribe - it's an article about our local Children's Hospital which is projected to lose six million in revenue over the next two years due to a readjustment and freeze in Medicaid payments)


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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:52 AM
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11. Don't kid yourselves
We're being watched here too.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:45 AM
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13. Of Course...
...with rw's posting slander and false allegations of DUers, and then crying "the feds don't have time to monitor everything", (in attempts to bait and entrap posters). Bully Big Bro's eyes are everywhere.
But we're also watching them, watching us!

"The rabbit is not afraid of the panther because the rabbit is SMARTER". ;-)
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:48 AM
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14. Certainly wouldn't be the first time...
the FBI did anything like monitoring political activities.

The Arab and Muslim countries hate us for our freedom. Yup.

:eyes:

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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:56 PM
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15. Quakers and vegetarians are terrorists???
this is so fucking stupid! :nuke:
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:22 PM
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18.  FBI: Environmental/animal rights:Terrorism by Activist Extremists Rising
Edited on Wed May-18-05 06:24 PM by rainbow4321
Looks like they are calling these folks "terrorists", also. Gee, if only the FBI and the rest were paying this much attention pre-9/11 to the real terrorists:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050518/ap_on_go_co/ecoterrorists

Environmental and animal rights activists who have turned to arson and explosives are the nation's top domestic terrorism threat, an FBI official told a Senate committee on Wednesday.

Groups such as the Animal Liberation Front, the Earth Liberation Front and Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty are "way out in front" in terms of damage and number of crimes, said John Lewis, the FBI's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism.

"There is nothing else going on in this country over the last several years that is racking up the high number of violent crimes and terrorist actions," Lewis said.

Lewis said the FBI concluded that after analyzing all types of cases and comparing the groups with "right-wing extremists, KKK, anti-abortion groups and the like." He said most animal rights and eco-extremists so far have refrained from violence targeting human life.



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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:18 PM
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20. the greatest terrorist threat is the people who DON'T kill others or try
to?
Well, they're not conservative, and they impact profits and not useless people.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:09 PM
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16. Obviously, these are not fascist organizations and are therefore
possible enemies of the PNAC/Bush fascist dictatorship.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:08 PM
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19. ACLU to Police: Show You're Not Spying
ACLU to Police: Show You're Not Spying


Thursday May 19, 2005 1:01 AM

By JON SARCHE

Associated Press Writer

DENVER (AP) - The American Civil Liberties Union demanded Wednesday that Denver police prove they are not using officers assigned to counterterrorism duties to spy on activists.

FBI documents obtained by the ACLU under the Freedom of Information Act suggest Denver officers assigned to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force might have been gathering such information as recently as December, said Mark Silverstein, legal director for the Colorado ACLU.

That would violate an agreement the city made to settle an ACLU lawsuit over ``spy files'' that police had gathered for decades on political activists. Police agreed not to gather such information unless there was legitimate suspicion of criminal activity.

Silverstein's demand came the same day the ACLU and four other groups sued the FBI in Washington, D.C., to release records about monitoring of anti-war and other political activities by the task force.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5015668,00.html
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:27 PM
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21. Let's just wait until Bush's new judges get on the bench h, they will brin
us justice in this matter.

New Bush appointee, "It's none of your damned business what the FBI does. Besides that you are nothing but a bunch of anti-American commie terrorists. Now get out before I file a case against you. Case dismissed!"
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:18 AM
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23. Looks like judges may get bypassed all together
This just gets more f'd up as time goes on and more info drips out...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050519/ap_on_go_co/patriot_act_1

Much of the debate in Congress has concerned possibly limiting some of the powers in the anti-terrorism law passed 45 days after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But the measure being written by Sen. Pat Roberts (news, bio, voting record), R-Kan., would give the FBI new power to issue administrative subpoenas, which are not reviewed by a judge or grand jury, for quickly obtaining records, electronic data or other evidence in terrorism investigations, according to aides for the GOP majority on the committee who briefed reporters Wednesday.

Recipients could challenge the subpoenas in court and the Bush administration would have to report to Congress twice a year exactly how it was using this investigatory power, the aides said.

Roberts' planned bill also would make it easier for prosecutors to use special court-approved warrants for secret wiretaps and searches of suspected terrorists and spies in criminal cases, the committee aides said.


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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:13 AM
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24. Pastor in KY has FBI file for ordering books on the internets
snip>
Payne, who is pastor of Mead Memorial United Methodist Church in Russell in Eastern Kentucky, said he and his wife were stopped by the Canadian border patrol and questioned for about 90 minutes.

The Canadians told Payne that he was the subject of an FBI file, he said in a telephone interview Wednesday. That bothered him, he said, because he has never been charged with a crime or been politically active.

But Payne now thinks that an Internet book order that he placed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks -- some reading material about Islam and several copies of the Quran for his congregation's comparative study of religions -- may tie into the agency's interest.
...
The ACLU of Kentucky this month filed freedom-of-information requests with the FBI on behalf of Payne, who said he is not affiliated with any war protesters, and several Kentuckians and Kentucky groups that oppose the war in Iraq and believe the FBI has been monitoring their activities.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050520/NEWS0104/505200406/1008/NEWS01
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