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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 12:31 PM
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As insurgency holds, US prepares long Iraq campaign
By Alastair Macdonald
51 minutes ago



BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's insurgency is in its "last throes"; but it is getting deadlier and could last a decade or more. There will be no timetable for U.S. troops to leave; but they will not defeat the rebels.

Recent U.S. policy statements on Iraq ahead of Tuesday's keynote speech by President Bush can seem confusing.

In fact, the administration is simultaneously trying to reassure an impatient domestic electorate while acknowledging that the campaign in Iraq itself is an uphill struggle that may require long American engagement to prevent a debacle which would do lasting damage to its influence in the region.

"Of all the statistics which Washington is looking at, the one of greatest concern is that six out of 10 Americans want to get out of Iraq," said Simon Henderson, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a biographer of Saddam Hussein. "All politics is local."

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more:http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050627/ts_nm/iraq_insurgency_dc_1
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 12:42 PM
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1. Excuse me sir, it's not a statement of fact that Iraq's insurgency is in
it's "last throes". That is a statement of opinion.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 12:55 PM
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3. Not an opinion, a delusion. nt
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:40 PM
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7. I think it is just a plain, simple, flat-out LIE. nt
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 03:53 PM
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14. You're right. That's a much better way to put it.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 12:53 PM
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2. It's the 'last' and not the 'throes' part people really resent.
McLellan's and Rumsfeld's explanations to the contrary.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:02 PM
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4. Americans troops die so Oil Companies
can profit from the oil. Gee. US people you are strange. Oh Sadddam already overthrow, WMD no more, terrorist hey this guys are fighting to defend their country.
And you get to pay for the troops too with taxes. :crazy:
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:18 PM
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5. Oh, that's the Bush* plan in all things...
Privatize the profits and Socialize the cost. Yep, we're just bats**t crazy strange here in America for allowing the idiot to remain in office. :crazy:
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:36 PM
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6. Maybe the draft is a good idea
Hey think everyone will wake up then.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:40 PM
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8. no, cause they will only take "some" 21 year olds...
then, "some" 20 and 22
then, "some" 19 and 23
then, "some" 18 and 24-25.

Then they wake up...
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:48 PM
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9. The more I read on all this
The more I think that most of the elected representatives has sold their soul to the corporation.
Man this make a good blueprint on how to take over a country without an army haha.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:02 PM
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12. That be fascism that you speak of
Mussolini said that fascism should more properly be called "corporatism" since it was, under Mussolini, a blending of state and corporate power. Mussolini ought to know; he was the first fascist leader. As an economic system, fascism was widely admired in the west (Churchill considered Mussolini "a great man" and liked the economic aspects of fascism). In America fascism was, unsurprisingly, extremely popular among the upper class. The leading advocates of a fascist economic system to fight the depression – Germany in the late thirties had beaten the depression – were the Bush family and other elite clans. There was even a weird kind of half-assed coup attempt staged against FDR by those same interests in the mid thirties. Fascism isn’t a puppet of the ruling class. It is an extension.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:49 PM
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11. "US prepares long Iraq campaign"--"I" do not include myself in the "US"
--we do not have to accept this!!!!
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:48 PM
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10. David Hackworth thought there was merit to that idea
and yes, reinstating the draft would set this nation on its ear.

"Even when they pissed me off, I had to admit there was something I liked about the draftees who didn't want to be there and made no bones about it. I like draftees in general, even with the attendant problems. Historically draftees have kept the military on the straight and narrow. By calling a spade a spade, they keep it clean. Without their "careers" to think about, they can't be easily bullied or intimidated as Regulars; their presence prevents the elitism that otherwise might allow a Regular army to become isolated from the values of the country it serves. Draftees are not concerned for the reputation of their employer, the Army (in Vietnam they happily blew the whistle an everything from phony valor awards to the secret bombings of Laos and Cambodia); a draftee, citizens' army, so much a part of the history of America, is an essential part of a healthy democracy, one in which everyone pays the price Of admission." - Col. David Hackworth (from his book About Face)
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:11 PM
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13. Hack spoke the truth as he saw it no bullshit from him.
RIP.
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