Spy chief killed in hotel blasts

[ECH1969]

The head of the Palestinian intelligence services, Bashir Nafeh, was among those killed in a blast that shook a hotel in the Jordanian capital, a top Palestinian diplomat said.

"Bashir Nafeh was killed in the attack on the Grand Hyatt hotel," charge d'affaires Atallah Khairy said.

At least 57 people were killed and up to 300 wounded in three successive attacks on the Radisson SAS, Grand Hyatt and Days Inn hotels last night, Jordanian officials said.

Iraq's al-Qaeda said today it had carried out the triple bomb attacks on Amman hotels, according to an Internet statement.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/alqaeda-claims-responsibility-for-amman-attacks/2005/11/10/1131407725951.html?oneclick=true

[Dinger]

1. That is frightening

My sister works at a Hyatt.

[Mobius]

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[Dinger]

46. Why Thank You Mobius - Yours Is Pretty Cool Too!

Dayum!:patriot:

[Mobius]

60. du currently has them turned off due to high traffic

our image is well within the rules. It will be back soon.

[Fridays Child]

2. All of a sudden, it doesn't sound like an al Qaeda job...

:tinfoilhat:

[Behind the Aegis]

3. Why not?

The only thing I find inconsistent is that AQ is usually much quicker at claiming responsibility (usually within hours). However, the attack in Jordan against a US ship took almost 24 hours before AQ claimed responsibility.

[Fridays Child]

4. Has al Qaeda's claim of responsibility been substantiated?

If a head Palestinian intelligence guy was taken out, that would seem to be at cross purposes with al Qaeda's objectives.

[Behind the Aegis]

5. Could it EVER be substantiated to anyone's satisfaction?

While the "taking out of of a head Palestinian intelligence guy" would seem to be a bad thing, it is quite possible they didn't know he was there. Then again, what if he was one of the targets? Maybe he didn't play with the right people? Also, to be quite honest, IMO, the suicide bombers don't care if the "wrong" people are killed, as long as more of the "right" people are killed, a twisted version of 'collateral damage.'

[wakeme2008]

6. But the question is "Was he the right person"

just something to think about.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. What do you mean?

Was he the right person for what? The right target? The wrong target? The "collateral" target?

[wakeme2008]

13. For the target :) nt

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Aww..i see...so this is "false flag"...see post below...

On edit: post #11 (in case this thread gets really big)

[Fridays Child]

24. The below post, if true, would further belie an al Qaeda connection

malaise's post

[Behind the Aegis]

34. That post is correct...

...make sure you read my response to that post.

[malaise]

25. It's more troubling to me

that nothing is substantiated these days. Something happens - talking heads and 'so called' military experts appear on MSM and accusations are thrown all over the place. Letters then suddeny show up on the internet followed by vested interests leading the investigations.

Well since MS NCB broke news about no Israeli's being injured since they were removed from hotels on buses, my cynical mind tells me not to believe the spin because it's way too convenient for all the wrong people.

[Behind the Aegis]

37. Troubling to me...

You say it is "troubling to you" that nothing is substantiated these days, but a report from MSNBC about no dead Israelis is accepted as fact. Why does your cynical mind not tell you that maybe, just maybe, the blame is being laid at the feet of another?

[malaise]

38. I accept nothing as fact these days

except the fact that a lot of innocents are killed by a variety of interests. Truthfully my preoccupation is with stopping the genocide in Iraq being perpetrated by illegal occupiers.

[EFerrari]

9. Just a tad.

This was not "Al Qaeda".

[Behind the Aegis]

10. You know this how?

[EFerrari]

15. Because Al Qaeda doesn't bomb

THEIR ALLIES.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. You a member?

With that thinking, then you don't think their could be "false flag" attacks either because why would an ally attack another one? Oh wait...because it will cause confusion and ire at the the enemy they both hate! :eyes:

[EFerrari]

29. You know something, you may well be right. n/t

[MADem]

50. They bomb anyone who does not want to return to the days of the old

caliphate. They have no allies, they are like the Monkey, only with robes and turbans. With us or agin' us!! Rule of FEAR, not rule of law! And WE call the shots!!!

[Colorado Blue]

57. Oh baloney.

And by the way if you know ANYTHING about Jordan, you know that they are moderate, with links to the west as well as peace agreements with Israel. The hotels were part of Western chains.

[EFerrari]

58. Sure, Jordan's government is moderate. But didn't Bin Ladin et all

use the Palestinians as an excuse for his fatwa for years?

Doesn't it strike you as a little odd that they would not know a ranking Palestinian security official would be there?

Al Qaeda, unlike Monkey Boy, is pretty careful about picking their targets. I don't mean they're not co-equal bloody killers, they just seem to be more discriminating about where they put the cross hairs.

[Colorado Blue]

61. And your implication is what?

Bin Ladin used the fact that American set foot on sacred Saudi soil as an excuse also.

Do you really think all the innocent people being blown up in Iraq by al Qaeda "insurgents" are a sign of discrimination?????????

[EFerrari]

62. No, not at all. And I wasn't speaking about those poor people.

I was raising a question about why would Bin Laden or any "al Qaeda" outlet blow up a Palestinian ranking security official?

(That is in English, isn't it? :silly:)

[barb162]

63. Because they didn't have a complete guest list at each hotel?

Because they didn't know who would be wandering in and out of each building every second? Because they didn't know or intuit who might want to pop in for a drink at the spur of the moment?

[EFerrari]

64. Why would they need a guest list? This guy was probably one

of their contacts. It's unlikely that they didn't know HE was there.
:shrug:

[barb162]

71. One of the other posters mentioned these things

are planned well in advance. I look at him as one of the many unfortunate killed and injured in this sick act. Lots of Palestinians, Americans, Jordanians, Israelis, diplomats from different countries, etal are staying in those hotels.

[Colorado Blue]

66. Because they really don't care who gets killed. The point is

to spread terror, suspicion, pain, unhappiness and unrest.

Like this:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iraq

[EFerrari]

67. Thank you for explaining terrorism to me.

They absolutely care if a person that is useful to their butchery gets killed. It probably takes them a while to develop contacts: why waste one?

Maybe they just didn't like this guy.

[Colorado Blue]

68. That's possible. Also, these things are planned months in

advance, especially coordinated attacks like this. They quite possibly didn't know exactly who would be there.

[MADem]

49. The franchises for at least TWO of those hotels were owned by Palestinian

businessmen. One of the bastards went into a wedding, a Muslim wedding, and blew up the guests.

This was a throwdown against King Abdullah, who runs the "Keystone State" as it were, of the region.

The fuckers may have been too clever by half--the Hashemite Kingdom is a thing unto itself. It is tribal loyalty, to the tenth power. Screw that pan-Arab crap, especially when your standard of living is among the best in the region. Beyond the fact that the act was horrific, AQ made a huge judgment error.

[entanglement]

19. I commend you, Behind the Aegis

You're there on the scene even before there's a faintest hint that someone *might* talk about Israel :)

[Behind the Aegis]

22. Why thank you.

Because it is only a matter of time before the posts start that the Mossad or Israel had something to do with it. Oh wait, that would NEVER happen here! :eyes:

Things are not always as they seem, but sometimes, a "spade is a spade." Congrats on realizing that not all liberals will allow bigotry to flourish even under the false pretense of "progressive" thought!

[entanglement]

30. On this occasion, I agree with you

(And I'm not exactly a fan of Israel)
If the Israelis had really wanted to assassinate the Palestinian int. chief, they would have gone about it in a far more precise / surgical way. I'm convinced this was an Al-Qaeda job designed to kill innocents and spread terror.

[ElectroPrincess]

39. "I'm convinced this was an Al-Qaeda job designed ...

to kill innocents and spread terror."

Yes! And FOX News has informed the American People that Al-Qaeda is THE ONLY functioning Terrorist Group in the whole wide world that could have possibly done this horrific deed!?! Shit Earl! Those Al-Qaeda were the savages that INVENTED terrorism that was FIRST exhibited in our country on 9-11 ... Hallelujah! Don't Cha Know that "the world changed" that day allowing us to detain and torture those Muslim-folk at will?!?

God Bless Amerikka!

Freedom's on the march!

Al Zarkowi!

Bugga Bugga Boo!

He's every DAMN where.

Be afraid, be very AFRAID! :sarcasm:

[Kagemusha]

41. The group has a history of support within Jordan.

Even if it hadn't been for the massive hype job the US has done re: "Al Qaeda in Iraq" it would be a good suspect for this attack. That is because the Iraqi "franchise" of the Al Qaeda "brand" was largely based out of Jordan when it was in its growth phase. Note that the "franchise" need not have deep links (aside from common causes) with the Al Qaeda "brand".

[ElectroPrincess]

43. I concur, but let's hold on to that word SUSPECT ...

FOX news is traipsing out all the Al Quaeda boogie men. Hell, I bet right wing fundy children think these thugs are guilty of every damn thing to include "tooth decay."

Like the Vietnamese guerrillas were labeled "gooks" to make them seem less than human, this horror is far too true of humans who are deluded and misled TO THE MAX. The Bush Administration is claiming that nearly every DAMN terrorist attack is the brain child of Al Zarkowi so that we can have a "boogie man figure." With the decentralization of Al Quaeda, this notion is absurd, but highly effective with frightened American sheeple. :puke:

Yes, I'll give you "they're highly suspect - top the list even" if you grant me "the jury's still out" ruling? :hi:

[Kagemusha]

45. Absolutely - only fools blame without facts.

I think it's safe to say it's a concern no matter who the hell did it. Blowback onto Jordan is something long feared - the real thing is in no way better than the well-justified fears that preceded it.

[entanglement]

42. I meant 'Al-Qaeda' in a loose sense

of 'Radical Islamic Militant group'; Was it Zarkawi? I have NO IDEA, but I notice they seem to blame him for whatever goes wrong. He might be a piece of fiction, for all I know.

Do you not agree it spread terror and killed innocents?

Of course, if you had the faintest clue about me, you would realize why the rest of your post is laughable, because I am as liberal as they come and as skeptical as anyone else on this board. I recognize the existence of terrorism and extremism and try to understand what causes them; it is quite unfair to equate that with the reaction of your typical Faux viewer. May I add that I believe torture is PROFOUNDLY IMMORAL and it is insulting to be told that I support it in any way?

entanglement

[ElectroPrincess]

44. then I would request that you please consider being more specific ...

The more we allow The Bush Administration to make Al Quaeda one BIG, seemingly consolidated "boogie man" in the ill-informed American Sheeple's minds, the more certain we will be up to our eyeballs in "A Holy War" before the end of "The Chimperor's Term."

No, I do apologize as I tend to enjoy "quoting Earl" (pot belly beer drinking RW fundy) far too much. No, that was not meant to be implied as a direct impression about you. Sorry. :hi:

[malaise]

20. MSNBC had breaking news

during Dan's programme yesterday. According to the report, all Israeli's were removed from the hotels before the blast. This now gives more meaning to that report.

[Behind the Aegis]

28. Hmmm...

...those crafty Israelis...well, crafty Jews, because, if you have read anything tonight.this morning, you will see an Israeli was killed. Of course, he was an Arab, so that MUST mean it was just the Israeli Jews who were swept out!

Have you ever thought that when Israelis are threatened they actually take it seriously, rather than get blown to Hell? Here's some advice for you, on event you travel to the Middle East. You ever see large groups of Israelis leaving...get the FUCK out! See, we have something similar in the US culture...if you ever see more than two African-Americans running somewhere...FOLLOW THEM, because they are GETTING THE FUCK AWAY from the problem! Think I am kidding? Watch the "Kings of Comedy," and it will show that "Black folk don't stick around to see what happened." (Usually for a very good reason...they will get blamed!)

[malaise]

31. I haven't read anything this morning

on that MS NBC report. Still you have a point - it makes no sense staying around to find out what happened. Many West Indians survived 9/11 because when the first tower was hit they ran out of the second one.

BLame MS NBC for my tin foil hat on this one.

[cantstandbush]

53. Everything claimed by Al-qaeda is NOT Al-qaeda.

If there is any truth to the rumor that all Israelis were evacuated prior to the attack, the fact that the Palestinian spy chief was among the dead gives new meaning to this event and raises questions about who was really responsible.

Somthing seems really fishy about the entire thing, including Al-qaeda claims that they were responsible. Two of the suicide bombers were Iraqis? Iraqi insurgents are not usually suicide bombers. These Iraqis could have been forced to do this act to protect their families. All kinds of things are posssible and I hope that the Jordania intel is a good as they say it is so they can get to the bottom of this.

Condolences to all those who were killed or injured.

[Behind the Aegis]

59. No truth to report of Israeli evacuations before Amman bombs

There is no truth to reports that Israelis staying at the Radisson SAS hotel in Amman on Wednesday were evacuated by Jordanian security forces before the bombing that took place there.

The Israelis were escorted back to Israel by Jordanian security personnel only after the attacks had taken place, contrary to earlier reports.

Al Qaida said Thursday that it had carried out the triple suicide bombings at the Radisson, Grand Hyatt and Days Inn hotels in downtown Amman, in which at least 57 people, including an Israeli, were killed.

...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/643661.html

[emanymton]

11. Could This Be A 'False Flag' Recruitment Action? CIA Black Ops?

Or even, shall I ask, 'Israeli'?

Where was Dick Cheney?

[Behind the Aegis]

14. I knew it wouldn't be long....

yes, all terrorist attacks are "false flag" ops! G-d forbid that terrorists actually do anything when they have Mossad, the CIA, MI-5, et al to act on their behalf! :eyes:

Could it be possible? Sure. It could also be possible that Atlantis will rise from the depths.

Sometimes a rose is actually a rose. It doesn't mean we shouldn't inspect it, but, for the love of all that is holy, isn't it JUST possible that this was a REAL fucking terrorist attack?!

[emanymton]

21. No Doubt It Was A Real Terrorist Attack. All Groups Mention Are

terrorist groups.

[Behind the Aegis]

23. So is Al-Aqueda...

...any chance they actually did it? Or are they made up?

On edit: had to change "change" to "chance"

[emanymton]

27. Agree With You. They Are Made Up. Who Made Them?

[Behind the Aegis]

32. You tell me?

AQ was supported by the US very early on, then that changed. Does that make them any less of a terrorist group?

[emanymton]

33. Yes. Calling US A Terrorist Group Is A Sad State Of Affairs. ;-)

[Behind the Aegis]

35. So...

...AQ is just a misunderstood "freedom fighter" group?

[emanymton]

36. Just A Subsidiary!

[Name removed]

26. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[barb162]

70. It's amazing, isn't it?

The conspiracy stuff comes flying out of everywhere so fast. Now that al qaida types have claimed responsibility for these sick acts I wonder how many people will believe it is really the al qaida groups

[Junkdrawer]

55. Starting to look that way...

:tinfoilhat:

[barb162]

69. Since al qaida groups have now taken responsibilty for these

hotel murders I hope you are off this line of conspiracy thinking about Israel, Cheney, etc and etal. I mean no one likes Cheney around here, but let's not blame him for something we know he's against. And Israel has been fighting this kind of thing for years.

[emanymton]

73. Cheney Will Lie, Cheat And Steal. NOTHING Is Beyond The Snake.

[truthisfreedom]

12. Iraq's al-Queda? the one that didn't exist before we got there, right?

i think this is actually America's al-Queda. the one we created when we invaded Iraq. the one we'll be fighting for the rest of our country's existence, apparently.

[ElectroPrincess]

18. Not if "the masses" of American People demand JUSTICE

It's time to actually FORCE our elected representatives DO THEIR DAMN JOBS instead of WHORE for their re-elections 24/7?

[xchrom]

40. justice -- no word could be more misunderstood in america.

[ElectroPrincess]

47. Yes, this reminds me of R.C.I.A.

When I was converting to the Catholic Faith, I used to love to "mix it up" with the right wing Catholics: "OK, I'll go the Abortion Clinic to protest with you, if you will go with me to the Penitentiary and light a candle for the Condemned?"

When the Franciscan Priest was present, we'd enjoy a complete Airing of All views. However, when any other Order of Priest was present, conversation on "What it means to be Pro-Life?" was promptly SHUT-DOWN.

Please remember, a full airing of grievances is the best disinfectant.

Shouldn't we all practice what we preach?

Love thy neighbor as thy self?

[notadmblnd]

48. I'd like to know where this al queada internet site is

that keeps taking credit for all these attacks. Anyone know?

[allemand]

51. One seems to be www.tajdeed.net, but I don't know if the latest statement

was published in that forum. It's all in Arabic, of course.

[IronLionZion]

52. Jordanians Rally to Denounce Al-Zarqawi - LINK

AMMAN, Jordan - Hundreds of angry Jordanians rallied Thursday outside one of three U.S.-based hotels attacked by suicide bombers, shouting, "Burn in hell, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi!" after the terrorist's group claimed responsibility for the blasts that killed at least 56 people.

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In an Internet statement, al-Qaida in Iraq linked the blasts at the Grand Hyatt, the Radisson SAS and the Days Inn hotels to the war in Iraq and called Amman the "backyard garden" for U.S. operations.

Police continued a broad security lockdown and authorities sent DNA samples for testing to identify the attackers. Land borders were reopened after being closed for nearly 12 hours.

The Amman protest was organized by Jordan's 14 professional and trade unions — made up of both hard-line Islamic groups and leftist political organizations — traditionally a vocal critic of King Abdullah II's moderate and pro-Western policies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_re_mi_ea/jordan_explosion;_ylt=AuhEUJNQH.m6WLo5Huztbuus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Tiny version: http://tinyurl.com/99fua

[Tight_rope]

54. I'm sure that I will get blasted for this...however I must say it!

IMO - Bush starting the war in Iraq has helped to increase terrorism 10 fold.

There I said it. And I don't care. It's what I believe and no one can change my mind.

Oh! And by the way I want to send out a "GREAT BIG FUCK YOU" to all the oil companies CEO's. Especially, Lee at Exxon. I'm still pissed at what he said yesterday while sitting in front of congress.

[Kralizec]

56. I think that's a pretty safe bet. They're seriously trying to pull off

some 1984 shit.

[wordpix]

65. you're right about Iraqnam increasing terrorism and the Big Fuck You, too

[sofa king]

72. What if it's a crafty Palestinian?

Being chief of intelligence for Palestine has to rank right up there with the most dangerous jobs in the world. Nobody wants you to know anything and everyone, including your own people, wants you rubbed out.

What better cover to have than having people think you're already dead?

Think I'm kidding? The Bush Administration's biggest boogeyman, al Zarqawi, has died at least once and grown back a leg, according to the same press reporting this story. That seems to have worked well for him.