Ex-cellmate says al-Zarqawi was tortured

[ECH1969]

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) — A man once imprisoned with Iraq's most feared terror leader said Sunday that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was tortured regularly by Jordanian prison officials in the late 1990s and was held six months in solitary confinement.

Offering possible partial clues as to why the Jordanian-born al-Qaida leader chose Amman for triple hotel bombings earlier this month, the former cellmate, Yousef Rababaa, said: "He hated the intelligence services intensely, and the authorities didn't know how to deal with his new ideology."

Al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, has claimed responsibility for the Nov. 9 suicide attacks in the Jordanian capital that killed 60 people, mostly Muslims.

Rababaa said he debated regularly with al-Zarqawi in prison. Rababaa led a group that advocated purging Muslim lands of foreign occupiers and setting up Islamic states. Al-Zarqawi's group was more fanatical, believing that Islam was worth killing for.

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/base/international-27/1132524848117590.xml&storylist=international&thispage=2
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Torture makes people go bad.

[wookie294]

1. Zarqawi claimed responsibility for the Jordan attacks???

Why do people assume every internet statement from "Zarqawi" is authentic? It's sad seeing the same media sucking-up unverified claims about Zarqawi, just as they sucked up the WMD lies. Nobody has seen a recent photo of Zarqawi and his "existence" benefits Bush/Cheney, so I don't believe he's alive.

[Poppyseedman]

3. The fact that his family and tribe has disowned him

would lead to believe they think he was responsible for the bombings in Jordan

Unless of course, you think Bush/Cheney control the Bedouins tribes of Jordan ?

You never know of the power of BFEE !!!

[daleo]

4. It is possible they only "disowned" him as a sop to the west

They may well be saying that merely to get western intelligence and media off their back. Or, it may mostly be propaganda for our consumption - I don't know how it could be verified anyway.

We have heard Bin Laden was disowned by his family as well. But that doesn't seem to have changed much, either.

If only the BFEE could be disowned by the U.S.

[Poppyseedman]

7. The king of Jordan is probably the most progressive ruler in

the middle east and understands the stakes at large.

The Z-man hates him for that very reason. The kingdom of Jordan has been down this terrorist path before. Arafat tried to overthrow his father and establish a Palestinian state within Jordan's borders in 1960's

For that reason, I have no doubt this is more than "sop to the west" to entertain the MSM and give the blood thristy american population food for thought

IMHO

[daleo]

8. I wasn't referring to the king, I was referring to Zarqawi's family.

I meant that the fact Zarqawi's family is said to have disowned him may not be a particularly significant fact, or even true.

The king may be progressive by western eyes, but to a lot of people in the middle east that is not exactly a compliment. I get the feeling Jordan is quite divided and unstable. I have my doubts that the monarch will endure long. Just a hunch.

The Iraq war has deepened all sorts of fault lines in many nations, just as anti-war people said it would before the invasion. Just one more reason why it was such folly.

[Poppyseedman]

11. That is an understatement of the week

the fact Zarqawi's family is said to have disowned him may not be a particularly significant fact, or even true.

I work with many middle eastern people from all different countries, believe me, your family publicly disowning you is not a publicity stunt. Why do you think they published it in three major Jordanian newspapers on the front page?

These peoples think as their tribes almost as sovereign states, to put into western terminology.

Zarqawi finally went over the line and he will pay for it with his life.

This is no longer about religion, it's about revenge. His family had to disown him to protect themselves from retribution

[wookie294]

12. The fact that his family disowned him doesn't mean he's alive today

Zarqawi is a myth. We waste time on him since most of the insurgency is comprised of local Iraqis, not terrorists.

How US fuelled myth of Zarqawi the mastermind

By Adrian Blomfield outside Fallujah
(Filed: 04/10/2004)

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the terrorist leader believed to be responsible for the abduction of Kenneth Bigley, is 'more myth than man', according to American military intelligence agents in Iraq.

Several sources said the importance of Zarqawi, blamed for many of the most spectacular acts of violence in Iraq, has been exaggerated by flawed intelligence and the Bush administration's desire to find "a villain" for the post-invasion mayhem.

US military intelligence agents in Iraq have revealed a series of botched and often tawdry dealings with unreliable sources who, in the words of one source, "told us what we wanted to hear".

"We were basically paying up to $10,000 a time to opportunists, criminals and chancers who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq," the agent said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/04/wirq04.xml

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. Is it remotely possible that Zarqawi's family "disowned" the man......

...publicly in order to protect themselves? Wouldn't they be the first people interrogated as to Z's possible whereabouts following the bombings? Do you think they've been questioned a lot in the past and are under constant surveillance by who knows how many intelligence agencies?

IMHO, I wouldn't put too much faith in Zarqawi being "disowned" by his family. We heard the same thing about Osama Bin Laden's family "disowning" OBL, didn't we? I seriously doubt that's true, either.

[Psephos]

14. You don't seem to understand factionalism in Jordan

His family's chief concern is maintenance of their honor within their tribe. If they don't take care of honor, the tribe will, and very unpleasantly.

They think of themselves as tribalists first, and Jordanians a distant second.

If Al-Zarqawi wass dead, his family would far prefer to make that fact known, than go through the difficulty of disowning him. That they didn't choose that option says there is convincing evidence known throughout the tribe that he is alive and demonstrably behind the bombing.

"I wouldn't put too much faith in Zarqawi being "disowned" by his family."

??? They ran their statement on the front page of three major newspapers. Quite to the contrary, I have a lot of faith that Al-Zarqawi has been disowned by his family. Pretty soon, members of his tribe are going to do what the US seems unable to do: track him down and kill him. And they will be loud and clear about who did that once it happens. Honor killings are very serious business in that culture.

[keta11]

2. He has to be brought to justice asap for the

thousands of people he has killed in Iraq.

[IndianaGreen]

5. not before Bush is brought to justice first!

Bush's crimes make Al-Qaeda look like small time crooks.

[keta11]

9. They are both killers and should be made to face

justice for their crimes.

[tx_dem41]

13. The sad thing is....

I believe you actually believe that. Our priorities differ.

Both sides have committed crimes, I agree. But neither absolves the other. Why you feel like you can only deal with one at a time, is besides me.

[IndianaGreen]

16. Justice and regime change begins at home

Bush has killed tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children, and he is a threat to all peace loving people in the world.

Let Bush and his cohorts be tried as the Nazi war criminals at the end of World War II. Bush's conviction and punishment will go a long way in restoring the republic.

[tx_dem41]

17. So, you've solved one of your problems.

Do you care about the other?

How would you fight AQ?

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[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Zarqawi has a new name

Wait for the DNA test to match.


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We're through the looking glass, people....