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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:52 PM
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Rumsfeld says impatience in war on terror mirrors Cold War sentiments

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/03/03/military/13_16_213_2_06.txt

Rumsfeld says impatience in war on terror mirrors Cold War sentiments

INDEPENDENCE, Mo. -- The number of U.S. troops in Iraq should not be so big that they appear to be an occupying force, despite recent spikes in sectarian violence, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Thursday.

Speaking at the Harry S. Truman Presidential Museum and Library, Rumsfeld said the United States has to "keep avoiding filling every vacuum and if we're around that place with too many people we tend to fill every vacuum. And that's not a healthy thing."

He said America needs to have enough military forces there to support the fledgling government and the development of a new political system, but not so many that it will feed the insurgency and make Iraqis think the U.S. is there only for oil.

"You don't want too many people there that you look like an occupying force, that the insurgents and the terrorists are able to lie to people and say you're only there for their oil, that you're there to occupy the country, that you intend to stay there permanently -- all of which is false," said Rumsfeld.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:56 PM
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1. Screw that man who should have gotten the boot years ago.
I cringe now when I see him.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:56 PM
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2. But didn't Rummy set the stage.....we will be in and out in
Edited on Thu Mar-02-06 10:56 PM by MadMaddie
six months? (something like that)

No it's not impatience it's holding Rummy's feet to the fire to do his damn job.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:57 PM
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3. Says the man who purposefully extended the Cold War by 15 years
:eyes:

If anyone is wondering, read up about Cheney and Rummy's attempt in the Ford admin to kill off detente
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:58 PM
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4. That want this to be the 'Cold War' so badly.
Edited on Thu Mar-02-06 10:59 PM by Jara sang
So badly that they piss blood when ever they think about it. Luckily the common herd is too busy listening to Jessica Simpson and watching American Idol to give a rat's ass about anything. The Cold War was another contrivance of the military industrial complex.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:01 PM
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5. That's it, he's now certifiably insane
Now just come with us, Mr. Rumsfeld. We have a nice shady spot in the garden just for you. And some pretty girls in white uniforms will bring you a few pills to help you relax.

Here's a nice coat for you to wear.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:02 PM
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6. Here's the good news -
There was an article in the paper here in KC but I didn't see anything on TV news about Rummy being here. His appearance here has not received much attention.
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:04 PM
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7. this from the man who brought us Team B
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:09 PM
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8. Wow! Kucinich, Zappa, and who, from 03?
minkyboodle, ya been holding out on us?
:)
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:13 PM
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9. No, actually
it's the throwback Rumsfeld (and Cheney too) who are pining for the good ole days of the Nixon/Ford era....
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:19 PM
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10. Oh I see...so THAT's why they have been building several SUPER-BASES
Edited on Thu Mar-02-06 11:35 PM by Dover
in Iraq. Speak sparingly but build a big footprint.
The news explaining the enormous scale of these bases may have been kept on the 'down-low' from the American public, but I feel certain the Iraqis know all about them.

Nah..."wouldn't want to look like an occupying force".

Besides, the Americans want to feed the insurgency to justify their occupation.

From Mother Jones - Mar/Apr of 2005:

Digging In

When Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told reporters last December that
he expected U.S. troops to remain in Iraq for another four years, he was
merely confirming what any visitor to the country could have surmised. The
omnipresence of the giant defense contractor KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown &
Root), the shipments of concrete and other construction materials, and the
transformation of decrepit Iraqi military bases into fortified American
enclaves-complete with Pizza Huts and DVD stores-are just the most obvious
signs that the United States has been digging in for the long haul. It's a
far cry from administration assurances after the invasion that the troops
could start withdrawing from Iraq as early as the fall of 2003. And it is
hardly consistent with a prediction by Richard Perle, the former chairman of
the Defense Policy Board, that the troops would be out of Iraq within
months, or with Iraqi National Congress leader Ahmed Chalabi's guess that
the U.S. occupation would last two years. Take, for example, Camp Victory
North, a sprawling base near Baghdad International Airport, which the U.S.
military seized just before the ouster of Saddam Hussein in April 2003. Over
the past year, KBR contractors have built a small American city where about
14,000 troops are living, many hunkered down inside sturdy, wooden,
air-conditioned bungalows called SEA (for Southeast Asia) huts, replicas of
those used by troops in Vietnam. There's a Burger King, a gym, the country's
biggest PX-and, of course, a separate compound for KBR workers, who handle
both construction and logistical support. Although Camp Victory North
remains a work in progress today, when complete, the complex will be twice
the size of Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo-currently one of the largest overseas
posts built since the Vietnam War.

Such a heavy footprint seems counterproductive, given the growing antipathy
felt by most Iraqis toward the U.S. military occupation. Yet Camp Victory
North appears to be a harbinger of America's future in Iraq. Over the past
year, the Pentagon has reportedly been building up to 14 "enduring" bases
across the country-long-term encampments that could house as many as 100,000
troops indefinitely. John Pike, a military analyst who runs the research
group GlobalSecurity.org, has identified a dozen of these bases, including
three large facilities in and around Baghdad: the Green Zone, Camp Victory
North, and Camp al-Rasheed, the site of Iraq's former military airport. Also
listed are Camp Cook, just north of Baghdad, a former Republican Guard
"military city" that has been converted into a giant U.S. camp; Balad
Airbase, north of Baghdad; Camp Anaconda, a 15-square-mile facility near
Balad that housed 17,000 soldiers as of May 2004 and was being expanded for
an additional 3,000; and Camp Marez, next to Mosul Airport, where, in
December, a suicide bomber blew himself up in the base's dining tent,
killing 13 U.S. troops and four KBR contractors eating lunch alongside the
soldiers.

At these bases, KBR, a Halliburton subsidiary that works in cooperation with
the Army Corps of Engineers, has been extending runways, improving security
perimeters, and installing a variety of structures ranging from rigid-wall
huts to aircraft hangars. Although the Pentagon considers most of the
construction to be "temporary"-designed to last up to three years-similar
facilities have remained in place for much longer at other "enduring"
American bases, including Kosovo's Camp Bondsteel, which opened in 1999, and
Eagle Base in Tuzla, Bosnia, in place since the mid-1990s...cont'd

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2005/03/enduring_bases_iraq.html

_____________

Biggest Base in Iraq Has Small-Town Feel
Most Troops at Balad Never Meet Iraqis

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 4, 2006; A14



BALAD, Iraq -- Staff Sgt. Chad Twigg is on a one-year tour of duty in the middle of the Sunni Triangle. But on a recent winter morning, he wasn't digging a foxhole or tracking an enemy sniper or trying to grab some sleep between firefights.

Instead, the Army mechanic was checking out iPod accessories in one of the two post exchanges here at the biggest American base in Iraq. He worries about the lure of the PX, with its walls of shiny electronic devices and racks of new CDs. "I try to stay away from it to save money," Twigg said. But on average, 15 soldiers a day succumb and buy a television, said John Burk, the PX manager.

Balad Air Base is a unique creation, a small American town smack in the middle of the most hostile part of Iraq. While soldiers drive as fast as they can beyond its perimeter to avoid roadside bombs and ambushes, on base they must drive their Humvees at a stately 10 mph, the strictly enforced speed limit.

The 20,000 troops based at Balad, home to the major Air Force operation in Iraq and also the biggest Army logistical support center in the country, live in air-conditioned containers. Plans are being made to wire the metal boxes to bring the troops Internet, cable television and overseas telephone access.

Balad is scheduled to be one of the last four U.S. bases in Iraq and probably will be the very last, officials say. "Balad will be here, I believe, to the very end," said Brig. Gen. Frank Gorenc, the Slovenian-born F-15 pilot who commands the Air Force side of the operation.

Like most towns, Balad has distinct neighborhoods. The southwest part, home to thousands of civilian contractors, is "KBR-land," a reference to the construction company. "CJSOTF," for Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, is home to a special operations unit and is hidden by especially high walls. Visitors aren't welcome there, and the Army public affairs chief on the base said he'd never been inside...cont'd



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020302994_pf.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:49 AM
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15. Some of those mercenaries are human traffic specialists
The fact is that there was a coup of sorts after the installation of BFEE. People with similar ideologies were put into key positions throughout the federal hierarchy and they brought their networks of cronies with them.

Force transformation and the RMA brought the fascist criminal element that has looted our economy behind the shield of national security into dominance.

Some of these bases are transit points for slaves built by slaves serviced by slaves vetted by the neocons and outsourced to various slave masters. Then our military is ordered to guard them while being forced to pay for services under the secret contracts.

House considers human trafficking bill covering overseas federal employees
by Lisa Burgess (Stars and Stripes)
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=32273&archive=true

US stalls on human trafficking: Pentagon has yet to ban contractors from using foreign labor
by Cam Simpson (Chicago Tribune)
http://www.newsdesk.org/archives/000442.php

Baghdad Embassy Bonanza: Kuwait Company's Secret Contract and Low-Wage Labor
by David Phinney (CorpWatch)
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13258
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:41 PM
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11. Return of the repressed.
Same shit indeed, only justified by the political benefits it procures. Namely, maintain a permanent, and adjustable at will, climate of fear.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:45 PM
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12. Another corrupt, arrogant
idiot spouts off. If there were a word to mean a status lower than contempt, that's how I would describe my feeling about him.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:13 AM
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13. Holy shit, what is this man smoking?
Don't want to look like an occupying force? Well guess what dipshit, it is not only an occupying force, it is now seen as an invasion force that tortures and terrorizes prisoners. Rummy is totally insane in the membrane.
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Anywho6 Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:40 AM
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14. I just love it when he talks tough
I hang on his every word. No, wait, I want to hang myself. Yes, that's it.

:puke:
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 01:15 AM
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16. "You don't want too many people there that you look...
like an occupying force, that the insurgents and the terrorists are able to lie to people and say you're only there for their oil, that you're there to occupy the country, that you intend to stay there permanently..."

erm, "LOOK like an occupying force' ??!! wow, he's really put it succinctly. that quote describes exactly what is really going on. and of course he blames the TERRA-ISTS ! !
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tecelote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 08:08 AM
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18. America - It's all about the Money.
The whole damn world looks at us as an occupying force and everyone knows why we are there - War Profiteering.

Respect for America is lost.

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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 07:23 AM
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17. from shrub, to poppy, to the triumvirated of rumsfeld, rice and CHENEY
the are all so full of SHALOW SHITTY WISDOM...a/k/a they are full of CRAP!
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