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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:43 PM
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Barre (Vermont) mayor wants death penalty for drug dealers
BARRE, Vt. (AP) -- Mayor Thomas Lauzon says Vermont is losing the war on drugs, and that the solutions are to legalize marijuana and impose the death penalty on dealers of crack cocaine and heroin.

"I'm sure everyone will distance themselves from me," Lauzon said Saturday. "But if anyone tells you we're winning the war on drugs, they're lying."

Of hard drug dealers, he asked, "What social value do they have? They are dealing crack and heroin to young people, knowing full well what the effects will be. What purpose do they serve in society other than to destroy lives, to destroy families?"

Lauzon said he hopes to host a statewide forum in late April on Vermont's problems with illegal drugs.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VT_DEATH_FOR_DRUGS_VTOL-?SITE=VARIT&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-02-25-09-39-57
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:45 PM
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1. well he's got half of it right.
Needs to listen to his ex-governor to get a pov on the rest.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:45 PM
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2. Interesting...
however the demand for crack and heroin will not disappear because of these penalties... so the suppliers will not disappear either. I disagree that that will help at all... it will only clog the courts with appeals for those sentences.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:50 PM
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5. That death penalty will be a huge deterrent.
Because drug-dealing is such a safe occupation.

It shouldn't be necessary, but :sarcasm:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:04 PM
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8. Yes...
You'd think these very basic things would be intuitively obvious... but... there it is... death penalty for dealing hard drugs, in black and white.

Perhaps he has benefactors in the Prison Industrial Complex?
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:35 PM
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14. The existing death rate among
dope dealers may be higher than judicial penalties already. According to Dubner and Levitt in Freakonomics it's 7% annually.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:55 PM
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7. actually
the 'gateway effect' is the search for a buzz. It's a matter of hydraulics, when no pot is available but someone has this rock or powder user's will get some...
The war on pot amplified the meth problem by almost the same means. Desperate unemployables stoop to manufacture it to pay the bills. Legalize pot and be hard on the 'hard drugs' and society will benefit in many ways. But I understand that such a concept is beyound the prejudiced capacity of the prohibition crowd. Too bad because the situation has grown steadily and was indeed the slippery slope to a police state.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:45 PM
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3. Sure, no risk of executing the wrong people there...
:sarcasm:

What a dumbfuck - no :sarcasm: here.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:45 PM
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4. What social value does this guy have?
I say bring back tarring and feathering, and start with this guy.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:45 PM
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24. I'm with you on this one 100%.
Hot sticky tar and lots of chicken feathers.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:52 PM
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6. I support the death penalty for people who commit treason.
If we held the government to that penalty, half the damn republican party (the war profiteers and the liars) and the entire bush** administration would be making out the menu for their last meal.
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theaudacity Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:10 PM
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9. I hate to advocate for drug dealers but If everyone keeps trying to prove they are "tough on crime"
eventually we are going to have on the spot hangings for speeding.
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:02 PM
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10. What a moron
This will of course never work.

Since the death penalty was restored, the murder rate has gone skyward. So, the death penalty isn't a deterrent.

Legalizing marijuana is a good start...completely victimless crime whose only consequences are those created by the statute.

But killing people who generally have a disorder is ridiculous and blindly vengeful.

All drugs should be legalized, and hard drugs should be dispensed by the government. People who purchase them would pay for the drug and the proceeds would be saved for treatment and other social costs associated with drug use.


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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:03 PM
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11. there he goes again, picking on cigarette sellers...nt
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tchunter Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:05 PM
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12. is it racist to demand death penalty for dealers of crack but not cocaine?
i say yes, as one is commonly found in poor black communities while the other is enjoyed by future presidents and execs. funny, the only difference is baking soda and water...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:52 PM
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21. I say no. Not in this particular case.
Barre, like every other part of Vermont, has very few blacks. As for the Mayor he's a jerk, particularly as Vermont has no dp, and won't be bringing it back. Of course, he may be referring to the Federal system.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:04 PM
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13. I guess he hasn't read the studies about the costs of appeals, etc?
He's going to have far higher costs in building and maintaining all those death row facilities (if the problem is as big as he says) AND footing the bills for appeals, etc.

Pennywise and pound-foolish. Is this freak up for re-election or something?
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:46 PM
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15. would this death penalty extend to ...
say bartenders, liquor store owners, any establishment such as s grocery stores that sold nicotine, etc. Or is it limited to drugs that kill people without the governments blessing. Just curious.


Decriminalize them all and tax the shit out of them. If you kid has to step over the body of a dead junkie on the way to school, I think he will really get the reasoning behind "Just say no".

Lets de-glamorize all toxic substances.









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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:56 PM
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16. Idiotic
NT
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 06:05 PM
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17. Maybe Lauzon should move to Indonesia or Malaysia
Because he surely doesn't belong in Vermont. What an embarrassment.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:26 PM
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18. There is already the death penalty for drug dealers
It is generally administered by rival drug dealers.

It's not a fitting function for the state to commit murder IMO.

The legalizing-cannabis idea sounds quite sensible, however.
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WorldResident Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:28 PM
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19. Doesn't the federal government provide for the death penalty for drug dealing?
n/t
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:50 PM
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20. Fine by me
but only when we get the death penalty for corporate fraud (ala Enron), political corruption (Ney, Gingrich, Delay, Hunter, et al), and lying us into a war for profit and ego gratification (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, et al).

If you are going to execute people for anti-social behavior, let's start with the REAL problems.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:01 PM
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22. The death penalty is not a deterrent to crime


http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/deterrence.html

I guess this mayor's statement might appeal to people who want to "get tough on crime" but it's not going to reduce the number of drug dealers. Furthermore, it is actually MORE EXPENSIVE to carry out a death penalty than it is to keep a person imprisoned for life.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:21 PM
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23. Just like Saudi Arabia!
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:49 PM
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25. I've always thought this was the only way to solve the drug problem
If you're killing others with your illegal product the same fate should await you. It's long past time to get serious with the war on drugs. Legalize pot fine, turn the rest into DP cases and you'd see results.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:52 PM
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27. Man you pot heads are such snobs about your drug of choice.
Can't you just leave us junkies, coke heads and meth mouths alone?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:50 PM
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28. Great! While we're at it, why not the DP for speeding and drunk driving?
After all, auto crashes kill as much as drugs, if not more. :sarcasm:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:50 PM
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26. Death penalty for drug dealers - man, isn't that a little harsh for the
convenience store clerks who sell tobacco to underage kids?
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