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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:25 PM
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Zogby: Rudy beats Hillary by 7%, loses to Obama by 6%
A truly striking poll. It also shows Obama making great gains on Hillary for the nomination.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1252

Giuliani 47%, Clinton 40%
Giuliani 40%, Obama 46%
Giuliani 46%, Edwards 40%

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:29 PM
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1. It was a telephone survey. My first thought was it was probably one of the
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 03:32 PM by Pirate Smile
e-mail surveys so would be more tilted toward the on-line community which seems to be less favorably inclined toward Hillary but nope, it was a phone survey.


Hillary Holds On; Giuliani Expands Lead in National Primary Tests

Obama advances, but McCain fades in partisan contests; Obama, Giuliani do best in general election match-ups

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton clings to a shrinking lead over Illinois Senator Barack Obama in a national test of Democratic primary voter preference, while Republican Rudy Giuliani is expanding his edge over John McCain, the maverick senator from Arizona, a new Zogby International telephone poll shows.

The survey was the first since last week’s very public spat between the Clinton and Obama campaigns over Hollywood fund–raising and the conduct of the first Clinton administration.

The telephone survey, which asked Democrats, Republicans, and non–aligned voters in which primary or caucus they planned to vote next year, was conducted Feb. 22–24, 2007, and included 1,078 likely voters (397 Republicans - MOE: +/- 5.0 percentage points, 439 Democrats - MOE: +/- 4.8 percentage points). The survey's overall margin of error was +/- 3.0 percentage points.

Among those who said they would vote in the Democratic primary or caucus for President, Clinton leads with 33% support, up 4% from our last telephone survey in early January. However, Obama has made dramatic gains in the last six weeks, moving from 14% support to 25% backing. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edward is a distant third, winning 12% support. One in five said they were undecided about which Democratic candidate to support.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:30 PM
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2. Zogby is a Republican Who Hates Powerful Women
Isn't it obvious?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:33 PM
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3. But he likes Edwards and powerful blacks?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:46 PM
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4. Stop Making Sense
It's unbecoming.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:54 PM
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5. You may be the first person ever to accuse me of making *too* much sense.
:evilgrin:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:56 PM
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6. and they're still calling McCain
a "maverick senator?"
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theaudacity Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:56 PM
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7. I am doing my happy dance. Not only could Obama win the nomination, he is a viable candidate?
:hug:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:00 PM
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8. K&R
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WorldResident Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:04 PM
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9. Zogby is the most unreliable poster out there
And it's not really a bias against one side or another, he's just that bad.

Most polls have Obama, Clinton, and Edwards polling very equally against Giuliani or McCain, with a slight advantage to Edwards, then Clinton, then Obama.
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R_M Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:11 PM
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10. Name recognition.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:15 PM
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11. Obama
has more name recognition than Hillary or Guiliani?
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R_M Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:24 PM
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15. He's getting more coverage.
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:59 PM
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24. Name recognition? How?
Hillary Clinton is still vastly better known than Obama. Obama may have more buzz, but Hillary is almost universally known.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:36 PM
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37. "Hillary is almost universally known"
That's her problem... :shrug:
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:17 PM
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12. Jeezus, we've got two more years of this b.s. :-( n/t
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:10 PM
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23. yep, the world is a soap opera gossip column. nt
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tchunter Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:19 PM
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13. has there been a recent quinnipiac poll?
thats where i go to school and they do extensive surveying, i may be biased but i believe their sampling and results are usually pretty sound
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:23 PM
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14. Latest Q poll showed similar results--
Clinton steady, Obama rising, Edwards sinking.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:38 PM
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17. Yeah... we need the latest polls
so we will know who to vote for
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:33 PM
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16. And the election is still 20 months away nt
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:55 PM
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18. Giuliani?
That schlump? Doing so well in the polls? What am I missing?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 10:18 PM
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30. Who knows? My guess is that nobody can see a gnat's whisker of difference between the two. nt
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theaudacity Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:27 PM
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19. I think Obama wins the primary because he is already holding a huge share of support while being...
the most unknown major candidate in the field. You just watch those numbers go up.

Oh, and also because he doesn't have a record for people to beat him over the head with. And the ladies like him. And he speaks like President Bartlett. And...
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 06:59 PM
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20. Is it not strange that two
weeks ago in polls taken that HRC was beating both Prissy Rudy and Flip Flop McCain, but the media does not report this but waits until a poll is favorable for the Prissy One.
I know it's a long way to go and I am not concerned because HRC remains the front runner, and has of yet to get in full campaign mode. That little flare up last week with the Obama camp was a shot across his bow to let them know this ain't baking cookies. HRC won that round....but you all wait till after she wins and becomes the nominee and you will see WJC redux, and HRC is playing it right....if ya gonna be a bear then be a damn grizzley: and that she is and will be because she will fight back unlike Gore and Kerry....Folks we have us a winner and leader in HRC....
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:05 PM
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21. A poll 21 months ahead of an election is worthless
Personally, I think each party's candidate will end up being someone who hasn't even declared yet.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:03 PM
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25. I agree with both of your statements. Especially the second. (nt)
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:09 PM
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22. How did Clinton vs Obama work out
We all know it's not going to be a three way race.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:06 PM
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26. I have been wrong about politics many times, even spectacularly wrong.,
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 09:07 PM by hedgehog
For example, I remember the Watergate break-in and I knew it went right up to Tricky Dick But I thought that everyone knew that and that it made McGovern a shoe-in.


BUT

Can anyone really believe that Guliani will be a candidate once the voting begins?
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:30 PM
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27. Zogby is not biased, but his polls are mediocre
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 09:31 PM by antiimperialist
There is no evidence of Zogby being partisan or biased. He's been erratic the past few elections, though, and I do not trust his polls.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:56 PM
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28. Carol Mosely Braun
If Zogby polls were accurate, Carol Mosely Bruan would still be Senator from illinois. He had her ahead just before election day.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 10:14 PM
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29. Not surprising, Hillary has such a negative and polarizing effect on people. Everyone
I talk with seems to hate her.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:57 AM
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32. And they're not even sure why.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:07 AM
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31. I think his polls skew toward liberal Democrats
His polls in the past always had the Democratic candidate a few percentage points higher than other polls did. I wonder if this is a reflection of Democrats' uncertainty about Hillary.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:25 PM
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33. It's baffling how so many Dems ignore poll after poll regarding Hillary's unfavorables at our peril.
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 02:29 PM by David Zephyr
Almost every single poll regarding HRC has been consistent. We must face the obvious and deal with it: she has high unfavorables with Americans.

Hillary would make a good VP on any ticket, but she will drag the Democrats down to still another loss.

This poll only underscores the hundreds of others that consistently show she can not win in '08. Is every single scientific poll "biased"?

We'd better take our heads out of the sand.

Do we really want to lose yet again?
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 03:10 PM
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35. If her unfavorables are still this high next February
I will agree with you.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:33 PM
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36. Very good point indeed.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:54 PM
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34. the point is- this is NOT hillary's election. her "time" may NEVER come...
she should concentrate on being a powerful senator- Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry, etc...can't last forever.
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