Bin Laden may have arranged family's US exit: FBI docs

[RamboLiberal]

Source: Breitbart.com

Osama bin Laden may have chartered a plane that carried his family members and Saudi nationals out of the United States after the September 11, 2001 attacks, said FBI documents released Wednesday.

The papers, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, were made public by Judicial Watch, a Washington-based group that investigates government corruption.

One FBI document referred to a Ryan Air 727 airplane that departed Los Angeles International Airport on September 19, 2001, and was said to have carried Saudi nationals out of the United States.

"The plane was chartered either by the Saudi Arabian royal family or Osama bin Laden," according to the document, which was among 224 pages posted online.


Read more: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070620200413.fd64rwmy&show_article=1

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Link to the Documents. http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi%20Docs%202.pdf

Judicial Watch Release:

The document states: “ON 9/19/01, A 727 PLANE LEFT LAX, RYAN FLT #441 TO ORLANDO, FL W/ETA (estimated time of arrival) OF 4-5PM. THE PLANE WAS CHARTERED EITHER BY THE SAUDI ARABIAN ROYAL FAMILY OR OSAMA BIN LADEN…THE LA FBI SEARCHED THE PLANE LUGGAGE, OF WHICH NOTHING UNUSUAL WAS FOUND.” The plane was allowed to depart the United States after making four stops to pick up passengers, ultimately landing in Paris where all passengers disembarked on 9/20/01, according to the document.

Overall, the FBI’s most recent document production includes details of the six flights between 9/14 and 9/24 that evacuated Saudi royals and bin Laden family members. The documents also contain brief interview summaries and occasional notes from intelligence analysts concerning the cursory screening performed prior to the departures. According to the FBI documents, incredibly not a single Saudi national nor any of the bin Laden family members possessed any information of investigative value.

Moreover, the documents contain numerous errors and inconsistencies which call to question the thoroughness of the FBI’s investigation of the Saudi flights. For example, on one document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 20 of 23 passengers on the Ryan International Airlines flight (commonly referred to as the “Bin Laden Family Flight”). On another document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 15 of 22 passengers on the same flight.

“Eight days after the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Osama bin Laden possibly charters a flight to whisk his family out of the country, and it’s not worth more than a luggage search and a few brief interviews?” asked Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Clearly these documents prove the FBI conducted a slapdash investigation of these Saudi flights. We’ll never know how many investigative leads were lost due to the FBI’s lack of diligence.”

http://judicialwatch.org/6322.shtml

I just printed this report for some reading material tonight.

[monktonman]

1. Who's this Ossama bin ladin guy?

[MNDemNY]

9. American Idol 2003 runner-up

[The Backlash Cometh]

43. I heard he was next in line for a federal prosecutor job.

[radfringe]

85. wasn't he a recess appointment by bush as the

Secretary of Booga-Booga?

[krispos42]

91. Isn't he a senator running for president? n/t

[olddad56]

127. lets all pretend he isn't affiliated with the CIA.

[Capn Sunshine]

144. I think that would be best for all concerned

:nuke:

[KamaAina]

145. He is not affiliated with the CIA so stop saying that!

You must be thinking of Tim Osman.

[olddad56]

160. oh, he was only trained by the CIA. I wonder why?

[KamaAina]

161. I forgot the sarcasm icon

"Tim Osman" was his "Delta Tau Chi name" in The Company.

[here_is_to_hope]

149. *snicker!* n/t

[myrna minx]

111. Semi finalist of Kabul's Got Talent!

His jaw dropping performance can be seen on the you-internet-tubes.

[Javaman]

183. His rendition of McArthur Park was priceless. nt

[Kikosexy2]

133. Like I ...

keep saying connect the dots and follow the money...Inside job from Bushco/Cheney/Carlyle Group/Halliburton et. al.?....things that you go hmmm???...

[valerief]

108. He's Deep Throat. Oh, wait. Wrong WH scandal. nt

[JNelson6563]

117. Exactly! Rings a bell, can't quite place him...

I'm sure the Bushies would rather we forgot completely. Assholes.

Julie

[chelsea0011]

137. I think he is scheduled for termination in September of 2008

[MNDemNY]

2. I'm shocked....SHOCKED

[fooj]

3. Heck of a job, Little Lord Pissypants!

Geesh.

[Old and In the Way]

4. What's the difference?

"The plane was chartered either by the Saudi Arabian royal family or Osama bin Laden,"

[Cleita]

5. And it was the only plane that was allowed to leave the USA when

every other airline was on lock down. Guess who authorized it.

[Occulus]

8. This is one big honker of a dot

We were never sure, were we?

Now we are.

I think we need a Congressional investigation on the who/what/where/when/why/how of this single flight. I think knowing absolutely everything about this one flight would shed a lot of truth on the events of 9/11.

I don't think it would be pretty, and I think a LOT of people would be shocked into speechless denial, but I think it needs to be done. NOW.

[Old and In the Way]

10. While we're at it, let's investigate Prince Bander and his wife.

She, for giving money to a couple of the 9/11 hijackers and him for billions of dollars made in the arms biz....and Riggs Bank's roll in laundering these proceeds. Rigg's was run by another Bush family member at the time.

One big happy crime family.

[Cleita]

11. An honest investigation would be the last thing that would be

allowed out in the open. The circumstancial evidence already points to the Bushes, both dad and son, in cahoots with members of the Saudi Royal family, mainly Bandar Bush and Turki Al Faisal as well as Osama himself as having hatched the 9-11 plot.

I do hope that some intrepid journalist with good contacts in hidden places and a sugar daddy with deep pockets to fund him will eventually uncover what really went on. An expose such as this is what will bring the whole house of cards crashing down and hopefully the Hague will begin trying all of them from both countries.

[Occulus]

13. Maybe we should try contacting powerball winners

It's a better bet than Korporate Amerika.....

[stubtoe]

128. Sooner or later, that investigation will happen, and it'll be very very ugly.

Someday, maybe soon, maybe not, but it MUST happen.

[Cleita]

130. I'll tell you if it doesn't happen, if not in the government in the media,

we can expect the same players and the same M/O to resurface again in four to eight years after the next election. They are criminals and must be exposed as such.

[TheWatcher]

157. Careful Citizen

You know better than this. Wanting to know the Truth about 9/11 only encourages and aids our opponents, The Republicans, and makes us look un-american and Weak on Terra.

You know full well, that DU has a dungeon forum for the express purpose of posting such speculative, subversive conspiracy nonsense, so I suggest you take this kind of stuff there.

You need to get back on topic with the important issues, such as which song Hillary chooses for her campaign ads, or the burning question of whether John Edwards' fashion choices are Presidential.

We can't afford to aid the Republicans with dangerous ideas like The Truth.

I won't alert the mods this time, but please try to avoid this kind of behavior in the future.

Oh and by the way.....

::sarcasm::

On a serious note, how obvious do things have to get before people will at least question the unthinkable?

[jaksavage]

19. But the dates aren't correct

sept 19th is a week after...

but still.

[CJCRANE]

39. That's the whole point!

Bin Laden was officially Public Enemy No.1 yet manages to charter a flight for his family!

:wtf:

[KansDem]

41. Maybe no one asked to see his photo I.D.?

I mean, I was pulled over recently for having a burned-out taillight. I was asked for my driver's license and insurance card. Then the officer ran my I.D. through the computers in Topeka to see if I had any warrants.

Why do I have the suspicion that I was subjected to closer scrutiny than the bin Laden family in the wake of 9/11?

[wordpix]

119. same thing happened to me for standing in a pond near a no swimming zone

[RagingInMiami]

64. Maybe that was around the time when Bush started ...

convincing the nation that it was Saddam Hussein who attacked us.

[catgirl]

143. Perhaps he was on the flight.

Weird that it is either the Saudi royal family, or Bin Laden.
I thought they were supposed to be at odds with one another?

[AntiFascist]

26. Amazing, but not suprising...

not only did the Administration (FBI) not want to question the family about ties to bin Ladin, but they cooperated with him in letting the family go. Compromised????!

[samq79]

113. I wouldn't be surprised if *Co knew it was financed by bin Laden N/t

[Cleita]

131. Of course they knew.

I became convinced after watching over and over again the part of "Fahrenheit 9/11" where Bush is filmed in the classroom while the attacks are taking place. After Andy Card whispers in his ear, watch his face and how the expression though subtle indicates that he is NOT SURPRISED but processing the information. The darting eyes and oh so small smile forming on his lips but not expressed is a dead giveaway. I knew then that BushCo was part of 9/11. So it follows that they would know everything else that bin Laden was involved in after 9/11 because they were part of it.

[ronhardy]

6. Yes he and Bush did.

Yes he and Bush did.

[hippiechick]

7. ... I thought we already blamed Bandar for that?

:shrug:

[yurbud]

15. Saudi intel was running hijackers according to Sen. Bob Graham, and Bandar has arranged terrorist

attacks for us before.

He set up a car bombing for us in Lebanon after the Marine barracks bombing in the 80s according to Bob Woodward, so it's not hard to imagine him being a go-between with Osama.

[Raksha]

38. Wow, you learn something new every day.

He set up a car bombing for us in Lebanon after the Marine barracks bombing in the 80s according to Bob Woodward, so it's not hard to imagine him being a go-between with Osama.

So Prince Bandar set up a car bombing? I didn't know that. Thanks for the information.

[yurbud]

83. it was on an episode of Frontline LINK

Why did they come down to covert action?

Because diplomacy and military action didn't work. We took the Marines out of Lebanon after the bombing. Diplomacy was not functioning. And Reagan wanted action. And Casey went off the books on his own, and worked it out with the Saudis to pay two million dollars to get...people to build this car bomb that killed eighty innocent people in Beirut and not Sheik Fadlallah.

What was the final outcome of all of that?

... Well here's the frustration of dealing with terrorists. reaches the point where Casey had lunch with Prince Bandar. the Saudi Ambassador to the United States, one of the most powerful figures even today in Washington. And they went for a stroll in the garden and they said, "We have to go off the books." And they agreed that the Saudis would put up the money to hire some professionals to try to car bomb Sheik Fadlallah. And it was so off the books, there's no evidence that Reagan knew about it or Weinberger or Schultz. It was Casey on his own, saying, "I'm going to solve the big problem by essentially getting tougher or as tough as the terrorists in using their weapon"--the car bomb.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/interviews/woodward.html

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

107. Key pieces of information such as this explains a HELL of a lot about,...

,...why we are where we are this day.

[yurbud]

109. and Bandar skeedaddling back to Saudi around the time of the Dems win in November

either he was was worried about being questioned or he has a new project to work on for Iran.

[yurbud]

110. and there was that business about money going to the hijackers through his wife

[eridani]

87. Linky linky?

If we'd like to share this outside of DU, your memory isn't good enough here.

[yurbud]

112. LINK: Bob Graham on Saudi intel ties to 9/11 hijackers

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/02/probe-this-sen-bob-graham-said-two-911.html

[peacetalksforall]

12. Is this in addition to the Badar flight for relatives which I thought was

supposed to have departed within 24-48 hours, not as late as the date on this report. I also thought people were reporting a smaller jet for Prince Bandar - 14 passengers or so?

[Raster]

69. There were SEVERAL planes under Saudi control flying during the restricted period.

If I remember correctly, members of the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family and their various retainers were spirited out of the US on SEVERAL flights.

[RamboLiberal]

14. I just started reading the documents

Helluva lot of redacting of course. One of the documents is the FBI Response to October 2003 Vanity Fair article "Saving the Saudis".

One interesting point I discovered is that the FBI claims that the 4 Saudis who supposedly flew on 9/13 from Tampa to Lexington, KY, actually drove disobeying Prince Ahmed Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz. That the private security said they flew as a cover and one "confidentially told FBI agents the truth about how the four entered Lexington."

Uh huh!

And wow - there was a helluva lot of Saudi Royals and citizens of U.A.E. flying out of the U.S. during this time period.

[yurbud]

16. Interpretation?

Did the Bush people:

A. Not really believe Osama did 9/11

B. Not want to catch him because it would extinguish support for War on Terror

C. Not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

I tend not to believe C myself, since every "mistake" they have made has been in the direction of perpetual war for perpetual profits

[Skip Intro]

59. there are other possibilities not on your list

MIHOP or LIHOP?


You seem to only allow for Let it happen, while I don't see any reason not to think they - the bush gang - made it happen, crafted a plan and carried it out as implementation of a larger agenda. Ruthlessly.

[yurbud]

82. my A & B work for M or L

[RagingInMiami]

65. D. Not want to let a little incident like this destroy the relationship they developed

through oil profits.

[AntiFascist]

81. Exactly, they seem to be most incompetent when it is in their best financial interest n/t

[pitohui]

17. michael moore vindicated again

and by judicial watch of all people!

[Roland99]

32. And Richard Clark contradicted?

[Rosemary2205]

35. Air traffic resumed on 9/13 -- this does not back up Moore.

Moore's claim is that there were secret flights prior to the resuming of commercial flight. All of the flights in the report given in the OP are post 9/14 -- when commercial flight for new passengers resumed.

[RamboLiberal]

42. Here's something interesting in their CYA FBI was doing

on Vanity Fair article - referenced numerous places in documents Judicial Watch got.

The article in Vanity Fair alleges a group of Saudi royals traveled by air from Tampa, Florida to Lexington, Kentucky on Sept 13, 2001, prior to FAA authorization for these types of flights. It also alleges that a chartered flight left the U.S. with several members of the Binladen family without investigation by the FBI. Both of these allegations are false. There are many other inaccuracies contained within the article.

BTW, it is claimed that the young Saudis who travelled from Tampa to Lexington lied about doing it by air to the Prince and Lexington police and had actually drove because the Prince had warned them against driving.

[Stephanie]

71. From Paul Thompson's 9/11 Timeline >

go to the page for links to cites >

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091301phantomflight#a091301phantomflight

September 13, 2001: Saudi Royals Fly to Kentucky in Violation of Domestic Flight Ban

After a complete air flight ban in the US began during the 9/11 attacks, some commercial flights begin resuming this day. However, all private flights are still banned from flying. Nonetheless, at least one private flight carrying Saudi royalty takes place on this day. And in subsequent days, other flights carry royalty and bin Laden family members. These flights take place even as fighters escort down three other private planes attempting to fly. Most of the Saudi royals and bin Ladens in the US at the time are high school or college students and young professionals. The first flight is a Lear Jet that leaves from a private Raytheon hangar in Tampa, Florida, and takes three Saudis to Lexington, Kentucky. This flight apparently takes place several hours after a private meeting between President Bush and Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US. Some think the idea of the flights were approved at that meeting (see September 13, 2001). For two years, this violation of the air ban is denied by the FAA, FBI, and White House, and decried as an urban legend except for one article detailing them in a Tampa newspaper. Finally, in 2003, counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke confirms the existence of these flights, and Secretary of State Powell confirms them as well. However, the White House remains silent on the matter. Officials at the Tampa International Airport finally confirm this first flight in 2004. But whether the flight violated the air ban or not rests on some technicalities that remain unresolved. The Saudis are evacuated to Saudi Arabia over the next several days (see September 14-19, 2001).

Entity Tags: Bandar bin Sultan, Bin Laden Family, Federal Aviation Administration, Bush administration, Richard A. Clarke, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Colin Powell

Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline



September 14-19, 2001: Bin Laden Family Members, Saudi Royals Quietly Leave US

Khalil bin Laden at the Orlando, Florida, airport, about to be flown out of the country in the days after 9/11. Following a secret flight inside the US that is in violation of a national private airplane flight ban, members of the bin Laden family and Saudi royalty quietly depart the US. The flights are only publicly acknowledged after all the Saudis have left. About 140 Saudis, including around 24 members of the bin Laden family, are passengers in these flights. The identities of most of these passengers are not known. However, some of the passengers include:

The son of the Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan. Sultan is sued in August 2002 for alleged complicity in the 9/11 plot. He is alleged to have contributed at least $6 million since 1994 to four charities that finance al-Qaeda.

Khalil bin Laden. He has been investigated by the Brazilian government for possible terrorist connections.

Abdullah bin Laden and Omar bin Laden, cousins of bin Laden. Abdullah was the US director of the Muslim charity World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY). The governments of India, Pakistan, Philippines, and Bosnia have all accused WAMY of funding terrorism. These two relatives were investigated by the FBI in 1996 (see February-September 11, 1996) in a case involving espionage, murder, and national security. Their case is reopened on September 19, right after they leave the country. Remarkably, four of the 9/11 hijackers briefly live in the town of Falls Church, Virginia, three blocks from the WAMY office headed by Abdullah bin Laden.

Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman Hussayen. He is a prominent Saudi official who is in the same hotel as three of the hijackers the night before 9/11. He leaves on one of the first flights to Saudi Arabia before the FBI can properly interview him about this.

Akberali Moawalla. A Pakistani and business partner of Osama’s brother Yeslam bin Laden. In 2000, a transfer of over $250 million was made from a bank account belonging jointly to Moawalla and Osama bin Laden.(see 2000).

There is a later dispute regarding how thoroughly the Saudis are interviewed before they leave and who approves the flights. Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke says he agrees to the flights after the FBI assures him none of those on board has connections to terrorism and that it is “a conscious decision with complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the FBI and the White House.” Clarke says the decision to approve the flights “didn’t get any higher than me.” According to Vanity Fair, both the FBI and the State Department “deny playing any role whatsoever in the episode.” However, Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division, says the Saudis on the planes “ identified, but they not subject to serious interviews or interrogations” before they leave. An FBI spokesperson says the bin Laden relatives are only interviewed by the FBI “at the airport, as they about to leave.” There are claims that some passengers are not interviewed by the FBI at all. Abdullah bin Laden, who stays in the US, says that even a month after 9/11, his only contact with the FBI is a brief phone call. The FBI official responsible for coordinating with Clarke is Assistant Director Michael Rolince, who is in charge of the Bureau’s International Terrorism Operations Section and assumes responsibility for the Saudi flights. Rolince decides that the Saudis can leave after their faces are matched to their passport photos and their names are run through various databases, including some watchlists, to check the FBI has no derogatory information about them.” <9/11 Commission, 8/21/2004, pp. 196-197, 209 > Numerous experts are surprised that the bin Ladens are not interviewed more extensively before leaving, pointing out that interviewing the relatives of suspects is standard investigative procedure. MSNBC claims that “members of the Saudi royal family met frequently with bin Laden—both before and after 9/11” , and many Saudi royals and bin Laden relatives are being sued for their alleged role in 9/11. The Boston Globe opines that the flights occur “too soon after 9/11 for the FBI even to know what questions to ask, much less to decide conclusively that each Saudi and bin Laden relative an ‘all clear,’ never to be available for questions again.” Senator Charles Schumer (D) says of the secret flights, “This is just another example of our country coddling the Saudis and giving them special privileges that others would never get. It’s almost as if we didn’t want to find out what links existed.”

Entity Tags: World Assembly of Muslim Youth, Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman Hussayen, Sultan bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, US Department of State, Richard A. Clarke, al-Qaeda, Michael Rolince, Omar bin Laden, Bin Laden Family, Bush administration, Abdullah bin Laden, Dale Watson, Khalil bin Laden, Charles Schumer, Federal Bureau of Investigation

Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline

[wordpix]

121. very interesting b/c the terrorists were housed in FL before 911, right?

[Stephanie]

67. Judicial Watch stepped up on Cheney's Secret Energy Task Force too

Even some conservatives' stomachs turn at treason.

[many a good man]

18. All I can say is

:wtf:

[K8-EEE]

20. Remember all the shit MM took for talking about this in F9-11?

He didn't even say OBL chartered it or anything just sayin' the BLs got out when US citizens couldn't fly and the freeps et al FREAKED....BUT HE WAS PROVEN RIGHT....Snopes even recanted their claim that it was false after the 911 commission.

[Rosemary2205]

28. This CAN'T be that flight.

Commercial carriers resumed flights for stranded passengers on 9/13 and for new passengers on 9/14. This flight wasn't until 9/19. This can't possibly be the "secret flight" that happened while the rest of the nation was grounded.

BTW Snopes still says that claim is false.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

[RamboLiberal]

37. I don't think the point is that the flights were secret

but that all these bin ladens, Saudi royals, and other Saudis plus UAE citizens were flying out with basically a cursory check while Ashcroft and company were throwing others from Middle East in U.S. in jail and abusing and possibly even torturing them. Especially since we know the majority of the hijackers were Saudi.

[Rosemary2205]

141. Not the OP's point but was K8-EEE's point, I think.

Maybe I read his/her post about Michael Moore wrong???


And I totally agree with you and the article you posted this definately smells to high heavens - on so many levels.

[Gregorian]

21. Take that, Ricky Martin!

Man, that's got to hurt. Even GW Bush was grounded.

That Bin must have some clout.

[Jacobin]

22. I'm sure this will be headlines in all the U. S. papers tomorrow

:eyes:

[EVDebs]

68. ROFLMAO ! They're shredding the Constitution and the machine blew up !

BTW, how'd Shrub get the WH War Room officer into that FL classroom so fast ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=114370

Must've been expecting a real tough situation while reading My Pet Goat, eh ? Rioting schoolkids ?

[unpossibles]

114. yeah... OH WAIT! There's another missing white girl! Cover that! n/t

[Lint Head]

23. And the ringwing nutjob stupid fucks say Clinton was bad for not

killing Bin Ladin when he had a chance? The ringwing nutjob inhabiting the White House should be indicted, found guilty and thrown into prison in the morning. Do we live in the Twilight Zone? Who inhabits Congress? Mannequins? Washington is vacant. There is no one there with the balls to save our precious nation. :dem:

[wordpix]

122. but Clenis got a bj while adultering and that's criminal!

[UpInArms]

24. Tony Snow: "I Don&'t Know" If Bin Laden Is The Leader Of Al Qaeda

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/01/snow-bin-laden/

On Sunday, it will have been 2,000 days since the 9/11 terror attacks — 2,000 days that Osama bin Laden has spent on the loose, living in freedom.

Yesterday, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow was asked about new U.S. intelligence showing that bin Laden is in Pakistan actively re-establishing al Qaeda training camps.

At first Snow claimed that this was “an intelligence matter that I’m not going to be able to go into,” despite the fact that the new National Intelligence Director had testified about this topic the day before. He then suggested that bin Laden may now be “marginalized.” A reporter responded, “Isn’t he the leader of al Qaeda?” Snow answered, “Well, I don’t know. It’s a real question about who assumes operational command.” Watch it:

Last month, Vice President Cheney referenced the #3 leader of al Qaeda “underneath Osama bin Laden and Zawahiri.” In December, Snow himself referred to al Qaeda as “the bin Laden organization.” Moreover, President Bush, Tony Snow, and other White House officials frequently quote bin Laden as proof that al Qaeda considers Iraq “the central battlefield in the war on terror.”

Only when the Bush administration is asked to face the truth about the threat that bin Laden poses do they pretend he might be a bit player. Otherwise, they’re happy to use his propaganda to justify their failing policies.

...more...

(edited because quotes in titles create problems :( )

[RamboLiberal]

25. Dems in Congress need to investigate this and get the damn

unredacted document. Amazing, the FBI refutes the Vanity Fair article but it's almost all redacted so you can't tell what refuted point is.

Here's some stuff:

---- was interviewed telephonically by the FBI in Orlando, FL on 9/12/2001. The FBI had been informed that there had been a large amount of activity at ----- estate, but ------ denied this.

And there's nothing more. Another one.

------------------ was asked about ---- --------- alleged to have booked flights for several of the hijackers ----- was not familiar with this individual, but advised that ------ Universal Tours of Houston could be checked out through the Saudi Consulate in Houston, TX.

They sent up the rebuttal to the Vanity Fair article to the White House for possible review by Bush late September, 2003.

Email Sept 12, 2003.

hi everbody!

EAD Mefford would like to know if any has a short write up on the structure of the bin laden family.

we've got this flight full of bin ladens leaving the US on 19 sept 2001, and he wants to make the point to sen feinstein that there's millions of bin ladens running around and that 99.9999999% of them are of the non-evil variety.

[eridani]

93. Might not ever have been an operations manager

If you want to stop the other team from scoring a touchdown, you need to neutralize their quarterback, not the chair of their alumni fundraising committee.

[Richard Steele]

27. D'oh- nevermind. (Reading comprehension issues!) nm

[Rosemary2205]

31. Commercial air traffic was resumed on 9/13 and 9/14

I live in the flight path of the Atlanta airport and there was a big honkin' lot of air traffic noise on 9/13. I remember because it was my first day back home after my car accident and the airplane noise irritated the hell out of me.

This flight was on 9/19 -- how would it have been "secret".

[Richard Steele]

34. OIC. Thank you! nm

[eridani]

88. The secret one was on 9/13 before the ban was formally lifted

--Tampa to Lexington.

[RamboLiberal]

29. Another interesting email

Boy were they in CYA mode. This is abridged by me - email is Sept 12, 2003. He lists 69 persons at Four Seasons 9/18, 50 that departed 9/19, 18 on 9/20, and 34 9/24.

Erik:

.....All passports were photocopied and names checked against watch lists. All also run in IIIA-hits interviewed. I say baloney to any inferences we red-carpeted any of this entourage. No one was going anywhere until we had the passports, copied the passports, ran the names, and interviewed who we wanted - there was considerable effort on our part to make certain this happened.

[wordpix]

124. CYA? Pls. translate

[RamboLiberal]

148. CYA - Cover Your Ass

eom

[rodeodance]

30. documents detail six flights between September 14 and September 24 that evacuated Saudi nationals an

The flight made stops in Orlando, Florida; Washington, DC; and Boston, Massachusetts and eventually left its passengers in Paris the following day.

In all, the documents detail six flights between September 14 and September 24 that evacuated Saudi nationals and bin Laden family members, Judicial Watch said in a statement.

[Catherine Vincent]

33. Surprisingly,

Drudge doesn't have the flashing siren with this story. It's posted way at the bottom of his website. I checked because he uses this breitbart website often. We all know he would have used it during if this was during the Clinton or Gore administration.

[RamboLiberal]

45. Check out this headline on Qatar's Penisula Website

Osama flew out of US with family after 9/11, says Judicial Watch

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=Americas&month=June2007&file=World_News2007062111556.xml

:rofl:

Asked about the document's assertion that either bin Laden or the Saudi royals ordered the flight, an FBI spokesman said the information was inaccurate. "There is no new information here. Osama bin Laden did not charter a flight out of the US," FBI special agent Richard Kolko said.

And from Worldnetdaily.

Members of Osama bin Laden's family, and perhaps even the wanted fugitive himself, were flown out of the United States in the days right after 9/11 after the FBI approved the special flights, according to new agency documents revealed by Judicial Watch.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56289

:tinfoilhat: :rofl:

[wordpix]

125. "perhaps even the wanted fugitive himself" was flown out? WTF?

Could it be that OBL was inside the US and then flown out? MIHOP

[NewJeffCT]

101. If this had happened during the Clinton Administration

Republican members of Congress would have already led a pitchfork & torches posse in a march on the White House and burned Clinton and all his senior stafff at the stake.

[baldguy]

36. These are the same flights that the Bushies originally said never happened?

Is it fascism yet?

[RamboLiberal]

40. Check this one out - Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy

It is unknown as to why ------ was not interviewed. FBI SAs from WFO, who conducted the interviews at Dulles airport on 9/19/2001 recall interviewing all passengers embarking at Dulles prior to allowing them to board. If -------- was interviewed, it is unknown as to why no record of that interview can be found in ACS. It is possible that there are no independent references to ----- in regards to this flight other than those that reference other FBI communications of the flight manifest.

[Stephanie]

73. Check the last few pages - EVERYTHING is redacted.

They show Feinstein's questions and black out every single answer and supply entirely blank pages.

[Stephanie]

76. The FBI was kind enough to personally escort them to the airport

How gracious!

On 09/17/2001, ______________ cnotacted the interviewing agent and asked for assistance in safely transporting his family to Orlando International Aiport. On 09/19/2001, ______________ who was accompanied by his wife and son, was escorted to Orlando International Airport by the FBI.

[The Backlash Cometh]

86. The FBI is somebody's bitch, but they certainly don't work for us.

[mmonk]

97. The FBI is corrupted and a weak link

in protecting this country.

[wordpix]

126. I don't trust that Mueller one bit---the guy's a sleaze

[Marie26]

156. And - they were afraid of earthquakes??

About 75 Saudis left Los Angeles together on 9/9/2001 - the FBI report says that the Saudis left because they were afraid of earthquakes! Yeah, right. The Saudis left LA on 9/9/2001 and spent a week in a Las Vegas resort hotel, trying to get a flight out of the country. On 9/17/2001, the FBI agents met with the group of Saudis. And suddenly, the next day, an international charter flight was arranged, and the entire entourage flew out of the country. The report states: "The Prince thanked the FBI for their assistance." It actually sounds like the FBI chartered the flight for them.

[RamboLiberal]

44. I hope author Craig Unger responds to this since most of the

document Judicial Watch got is the FBI refuting his 2003 article in Vanity Fair "Saving the Saudis". But the amusing part is all the refutions are redacted!

[smtpgirl]

46. I't wasn't an inside job, heh?

Gotta wonder, conspiracy fact???

[rzemanfl]

47. According to one of the documents "...there are millions of

Bin Ladens running around the world...."

[The Backlash Cometh]

48. Yes, we are so fucking stupid.

We are Rome, and we are in a free-fall.

[kitty1]

49. Abu Zubaydah disclosed a bombshell to the CIA unknowingly..

a few mnths after 9/11 while holed up in Pakistan.
There was a raid on his safe house, and thinking that his interrogators were Saudi Security, he disclosed some things.
Abu Zubaydah was really in fact Prince Ahmed Aziz, a very rich Saudi royal who owned many racehorses and was very much in the Saudi/Bush loop. Being a good friend with ambassador Bandar whose wife happened to provide funds to one of the Saudi Hijackers.
He disclosed the fact that the House of Saud was supporting the Taliban in return for keeping Al Quaeda out of SA.
He also stated that he and others had foreknowledge of 9/11 but not specific details so that they couldn't disclose anything, but would still be unable to turn on Bin Laden and others because they knew ahead about possible attacks.
When Ahmed learned that his interrogaters were really CIA, he then tried to kill himself. He died mysteriously in 2002 of a heart attack at age 43.

"The name Zubaydah gave came as a complete surprise to the CIA. It was Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, the owner of so many legendary racehorses and one of the most westernized members of the royal family.

Zubaydah spoke to his faux Saudi interrogators as if they, not he, were the ones in trouble. He said that several years earlier the royal family had made a deal with al-Qaida in which the House of Saud would aid the Taliban so long as al-Qaida kept terrorism out of Saudi Arabia. Zubaydah added that as part of this arrangement, he dealt with Prince Ahmed and two other members of the House of Saud as intermediaries, Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, a nephew of King Fahd's, and Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, a 25-year-old distant relative of the king's. Again, he furnished phone numbers from memory.

According to Posner, the interrogators responded by telling Zubaydah that 9/11 changed everything. The House of Saud certainly would not stand behind him after that. It was then that Zubaydah dropped his real bombshell. "Zubaydah said that 9/11 changed nothing because Ahmed ... knew beforehand that an attack was scheduled for American soil that day," Posner writes. "They just didn't know what it would be, nor did they want to know more than that. The information had been passed to them, said Zubaydah, because bin Laden knew they could not stop it without knowing the specifics, but later they would be hard-pressed to turn on him if he could disclose their foreknowledge."
Two weeks later, Zubaydah was moved to an undisclosed location. When he figured out that the interrogators were really Americans, not Saudis, Posner writes, he tried to strangle himself, and later recanted his entire tale.
As for Prince Ahmed, on July 22, 2002, he died mysteriously of a heart attack at the age of 43, so he was never interviewed about his connections to al-Qaida and his alleged foreknowledge of the events of 9/11. Not that the FBI didn't have its chance at him. On Sept. 16, 2001, after the Bush administration had approved the Saudi evacuation, Prince Ahmed had boarded that 727 in Lexington, Ky. He had been identified by FBI officials, but not seriously interrogated. It was an inauspicious start to the just-declared war on terror. "What happened on Sept. 11 was a horrific crime," says John Martin, a former official in the Criminal Division of the Justice Department. "It was an act of war. And the answer is no, this is not any way to go about investigating it."
http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2004/03/11/unger_1/index.html?pn=3

[EVDebs]

72. Gerald Posner's Why America Slept ? A source ?

He can't even get JFK right :

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/12/17/joannides/index.html

[eridani]

89. I think the point is that someone who made his bones debunking JFK--

--would be expected to debunk 9-11 Bush-bin Laden connections, not support them.

[EVDebs]

136. One would think the Ptech example would be sufficient

Ptech (note 'notable clientele')
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptech

and at

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

which embeds some of Indira Singh's testimony.

Ahem, they're still there in WH, DoD, FAA, Air Force etc. Por que ?

[eridani]

167. I think we're getting too far afield from the OP here. n/t

[EVDebs]

171. Not really. Saudi's and FAA/DOL computer networks

ACCESS.

[eridani]

173. But that means anybody connected with SA could have had access

Saying it was OBL would still be quite a stretch.

[EVDebs]

179. Making a 'plausible denial' undeniably implausible. Thank you so much.

When dealing with our intell agencies, expect the rediculous. Remember the 'gay bomb' story a day or two ago ? You don't make this stuff up, there are idiots on the inside doing quite well with the Third Option the Grey Ghost laid out.

[HereSince1628]

50. Crikey, I coulda bought ALCOA!

This is gonna put a huge demand on aluminum foil.

Which ever way it goes, flying the bin Laden family members out of the country without a detour to GITMO was decidedly odd.

[Phredicles]

51. Holy Fucking Shit!

Many, many hearing and investigations need to be held...

[ocd liberal]

56. Hey, that's what I was going to say!

[eridani]

52. Prolly more likely the royal family, no?

Unless bin Laden was acting very, very indirectly.

[CJCRANE]

146. A phone and a credit card

is all he would need.

[eridani]

166. Both of which are pretty untraceable, no? n/t

[lala_rawraw]

53. At HuffPo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/fbi-gives-a-helping-hand-_b_53097.html

[karlrschneider]

54. I wonder about some of the details here. A 727 can't fly from Orlando to Paris

nonstop. But it's a fascinating story in any case.

[WritersBlock]

77. That struck me, too. Also, why a 727?

If I had their money, I'd be chartering a newer airplane. Hell, if I had their money, I wouldn't have to be chartering an airplane to begin with.

And Ryan Air? Surely not the one out of Ireland, but a relatively quick googlage comes up with this interesting little tidbit:

http://www.flyryan.com/services.html


On edit: attempting clarity

[flyarm]

80. YES IT CAN A 727 STRETCH CAN!!

depends on the configuration!!

but it certainly can!!

fly

[karlrschneider]

104. No it can't.

...

[Make7]

150. RE: "A 727 can't fly from Orlando to Paris nonstop."

I agree, but was it stated somewhere in the documents that it was nonstop?

- Make7

[karlrschneider]

151. It was sort of implied...they noted there were stops before arriving in MCO but

nothing about any between there and Paris. I suppose they could have refueled in ... maybe Gander and Iceland.

[Make7]

154. Just to be clear, are you referring to Ryan International Flight 441?

This is a summary of that flight found in the released documents:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi Docs 2.pdf   (pdf page 34)

- Make7

[karlrschneider]

165. I did not read all the documents and didn't see that page. I was only commenting

on what I DID happen to peruse and it SEEMED to me there was an intimation that the flight went directly to Paris from Orlando. I see from your post that my observation about possible refueling stops was pretty close to what apparently happened. (Those stops are standard for transatlantic crossings by aircraft with less than 3000 mile range.)

None of which is particularly relevant, I was only wondering about some of the details...nothing more or less.

[Make7]

175. I was also just wondering.

When you brought up the fact that a 727 can't do a nonstop trans-Atlantic flight, I thought you might have found something interesting concerning that in the released documents. That's why I asked.

I haven't gotten though the entire PDF either. With the numerous reports containing scattered and overlapping information, it certainly doesn't make it easy to relate the various bits of data to each other.

What seems new to me in these released FBI documents is the fact that there were more flights than had been previously known. However, they all seem to have happened after commercial flights and general aviation flights operating under instrument flight rules had resumed. It is interesting information nonetheless.

- Make7

[karlrschneider]

176. Gotcha. Actually, the fact they took place at all is plenty intriguing, regardless

of the exact timing. :-)

[deminks]

55. Oh my god. What have you done, George Bush? What have you done?

I want to say it now, loud and strong. Mods, please just delete this post if you have to, don't move the OP.

Here I go.

Mi effing hop. Mi effing hop. Mi effing hop.

there, I said it.

Here I go again.

False effing flag. False effing flag. False effing flag.

there. We knew this was true. It was the only thing that made sense.

What have you done, Smirky? What have you done?

[pauldp]

60. Smirky probably didn't do shit except sit in the classroom like he was told

to do. Popi's friends in the intelligence/corporate community took care of it.

[eridani]

90. Or LIHOP, which doesn't violate the KISS principle n/t

[tblue37]

57. Assets must be protected, doncha know. (eom)

[milkyway]

58. But I thought Travelgate was a Clinton scandal.

If this had happened under a Clinton or Gore administration, the justifiable outrage would've forced them to resign within a week. But with little bush, it's just a big yawn by the corporate media.

[tom_paine]

61. More circumstantial evidence for MIHOP or LIHOP

Think how swiftly Bushie crimes in other areas have been uncovered by investigations (even though no one is going to DO anything about it, at least it's uncovered).

Get Chimpoleon in the room alone without Unka Dick, PUT HIS LYING ASS UNDER OATH and watch him crack like an egg (to the extent that Poppy, Dick and Karl told him shit).

But it will never happen, and none of their crimes will be punished, not even their lesser crimes, let alone this greatest of crimes.

[MetaTrope]

95. "to the extent that Poppy, Dick and Karl told him"

Oh, they told him alright. Remember the "Attack of the Pretzel" in January '02?

[RagingInMiami]

62. But wasn't Osama pardoned already

[RagingInMiami]

63. I guess this mean the Bin Ladin family is allowed to ...

embark on a plane in the United States without having to pour out their bottle of water.

[Raster]

66. The family bush* have long been confederates of the bin Sauds and the bin Ladens.

The family bush* has long acted as un officio ambassadors from the Texas-American Petroleum Cartel to the Saudis. No other family in America EVER has had type of access to the Saudi royal family as the clan bush*. The bin Laden family is second in power and prominence in Arabia only to the Saudi royals. The bush* family is well acquainted with bin Laden money and influence.

[Stephanie]

74. Where is James R. Bath these days?

What's he up to?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00148.htm

Mahfouz’s past also includes business dealings with George W. Bush, having invested $50,000 in the younger Bush’s first company, Arbusto Energy, through his U.S. representative James R. Bath, an aircraft broker and friend of Mr. Bush from their days together in the Texas Air National Guard. (Wall Street Journal (WSJ), “Vetting the Frontrunners: From Oil to Baseball to the Governor’s Mansion,” 9-28-1999)

Legal papers regarding Bath's contested divorce listed one of his assets as a $50,000 investment in Arbusto Oil -- Bush's first company. Moreover, Bath's business partner said he had no substantial money of his own at the time he made the Arbusto investment, implying that Bath received the money from someone else: "Most of Bath's investments....were really fronts for Mahfouz and other Saudis connected with the Bank of Credit and Commerce (BCCI)." (The Outlaw Bank: A Wild Ride Into the Secret Heart of BCCI, Random House, Beaty & Gwynne, 1993, page 229.)

Award-winning author and journalist at the Houston Chronicle and “The Economist,” Peter Brewton, consulted James R. Bath’s resume and wrote that in early summer 1976 Bath received a huge business break:


“Bath was named a trustee for Sheikh Salem bin Laden of Saudi Arabia , a member of the family that owns the largest construction company in the Middle East. Bath’s job was to handle all of bin Laden’s North American investments and operations.” ( The Mafia, CIA, and George Bush, Shapolsky Book Pub., 1992)
Shortly thereafter, Bath also began working for billionaire Sheikh Mahfouz, NCB banker for Saudi billionaire financier Abdullah Bakhsh. Meanwhile, George Junior’s failing Arbusto company was renamed Bush Exploration -- hoping to trade on his father‘s increasing importance; however, it was soon merged with Spectrum 7 Energy, as oil prices were collapsing.

While hard times continued for Spectrum, in 1988 Harken Energy Corporation absorbed the company, according to WSJ. And in return for adding the famous Bush name as a corporate asset, Texas-based Harken in effect bailed out the future president’s failing fortunes with generous stock options, a salaried seat on Harken’s board of directors, low-interest loans, and other helpful perks. < Harken Energy: George W.‘s Perfect Storm, 7-15-2002 -- http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00104.htm >

[Raster]

132. Bath's "friendship" with dubya pre-dates the Air National Guard days...

They've "known" each other since college.

Where is Bath? Laying low. dubya's got enough trouble on his hands.

[EFerrari]

70. We can't scramble jets, bin Laden flys his family out. Nice! n/t

[HowHasItComeToThis]

75. It is a tough life if you are a WORLD OWNER

NEED TO TELL SO MANY FIBS

[DianaForRussFeingold]

78. OH COME ON ! I was just starting to buy the official story!!!

:tinfoilhat: :yoiks: :rofl:

[BikeWriter]

84. LOL! Suuuuuure you were!

[northofdenali]

79. .....

[Bullet1987]

92. The only evidence Snopes uses in the 9/11 Commission Report

Someone earlier brought up Snopes and the idea that it's still labeled as false on their site. Well the only thing they use as evidence is the 9/11 Omission Report and we know how trusty that BS is...

:sarcasm:

[Marie26]

159. Bush Admin. classified 20+ pages

of the 9/11 report - these pages apparently described Saudi Arabia's relationship w/the hijackers.

[VanPelt4IndSenate]

94. Chicken shit Bush media

Oh... these guys piss me off!

[Bravo Zulu]

96. American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush

[wordpix]

129. nice graphic illustration of why MIHOP/LIHOP definitely coulda happened

thanks :hi:

[HughBeaumont]

138. The Visio of Evil.

MIHOP.

I don't even rely on the plausibility of CD/Pentagate and I STILL think there's enough evidence these fuckers knew and played matador for their war.

[Vinca]

98. And if you ask any of them about the plane and Bin Laden you get that

deer in headlights - we haven't got a clue what you're talking about - look.

[HamdenRice]

99. K&R for more evidence of MIHOP nt

[jarnocan]

100. I wish the MSM would give a rat's butt about the truth. It makes me so angry

how the far right idiots slammed Michael Moore on this issue, yet more and more has been confirmed.

[girl gone mad]

102. So no one was allowed to fly that week...

except for bin Laden.

Makes perfect sense to me! :eyes:

[Tracer]

103. There was another flight out of Boston ...

... at the time when no other planes were flying.

I remember this specifically because it was so odd. I even remember that it was Anthony Everett (WCVB/Boston newscaster) who reported it on the evening news, and said that the Bin Laden people on the flight were "students".

Whether this flight was a stopover of the other flights, I don't know.

[Peace Patriot]

105. As with everything Bush, beware of provenance (the hands thru which these docs

may have gone), not just as to redactions, but also as to the shreds of info that remain. They've had a lot of time to cock these up. They could contain all manner of misdirection. The redactions could be totally fake, to make it look good. God knows. I presume some such docs exist, and that Judicial Watch knew enough to ask. But how do we (or they) know if what they got for their request was the real thing, or total fakery, or partial fakery.

Take nothing at face value that comes out of BushWorld.

Tinfoilers, here's your job. Vet these docs with an objective eye, as to how they fit with other sets of facts. And one line of investigation should start with the presumption that they are totally fake, and are trying to create a narrative for some deceptive purpose (or, are merely trying to sketch in something that sounds probable). All assumptions should be put aside--for instance, that "the FBI conducted a slapdash investigation of these Saudi flights." That old "incompetence" problem again, that keeps coming up as an excuse for Bushites making billions and billions of dollars in profit. (Botch Katrina emergency responses, then, first no-bid contract to Halliburton.) What if the opposite were true? --that the FBI investigation of the flights was actually quite thorough, but the docs and other evidence of THAT investigation (the real one) have been suppressed (or that, no investigation was done, because the Bushites knew perfectly well who was on those flights and what their connections to 9/11 were, and quite deliberately let funders or perps get away). Regarding this line of thought, the "slapdash" thing was the cover (FBI playacting; or agents thinking it was a serious investigation when those controlling it had no intention of it being).

I don't know enough of the facts of this particular 9/11 event (the bin Laden flights) to figure out what these docs might be trying to do. But I hope that those who are familiar with these facts will look at them from every possible angle, including one of false narrative.

One other thought: It may be irrelevant WHEN the flights took place. If they took place while all other flights were banned, that may be an important fact, as to motive, or just a political and emotional item. It pisses people off, but it's not materially important. For instance, what if they'd put all these bin Ladens up in "safe houses" until a month afterward, THEN flew them out? If their purpose was to protect funders or perpetrators of 9/11, or persons with important knowledge about that event, it makes no difference WHEN they flew them out. Flights during the no-fly period may just be a pointer to motive, or may be meaningless as to motive. The Bushites know perfectly well what Michael Moore's accusation is, and its public currency. They could have invented documents, and dates, to this point. Or, knowing of its currency, they could be playing with the narrative to some other point. In any case, it's always wise to assume misdirection, when dealing with Bushites.

The Bush Junta also does things for their brazenness--their value as an insult to the American people. They want to degrade us--demoralize us, make us feel helpless in the face of their outrageous crimes--much like their dreadful insults to Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Not just torture, but horrible humiliation. I think this is a Bushite M.O. And I think it is a possibility that the bin Laden/Saudi flights were in this vein. 'We can do whatever the fuck we please, and you can't do nothin' about it! Nyah-nyah-nyah!'

[Justice]

106. Boston Globe reported on flights that took place on Sept 18-19

"Boston-area relatives of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born terrorist who stands accused of masterminding last week's suicide hijackings, flew back to Saudi Arabia in the last two days because of concerns for their safety, according to the Saudi government.

Dozens of Saudi citizens were flown back to Saudi Arabia at their government's expense, while the bin Ladens are believed to have paid their own way, according to a Saudi diplomat. All of those who took up the Saudi government's offer to fly home were reportedly questioned by the FBI before being allowed to board the flights. A Saudi diplomat told The Boston Globe that the relatives of bin Laden had been advised by both the Saudi government and the FBI to return to Saudi Arabia at least temporarily for their own safety.

It was unclear how many members of bin Laden's family flew home over the last two days, but aviation sources said a flight that left Logan on Tuesday night contained only five passengers, all of whom were said to be members of bin Laden's family.

A second flight, paid for by the Saudi government, was scheduled to depart Logan last night, after making stops in other cities, including Los Angeles and Orlando."

Article title: BIN LADEN KIN FLOWN BACK TO SAUDI ARABIA
By Kevin Cullen, September 20, 2001
no link - subscription required.

[mirrera]

115. But I still believe what I have been told about 9/11

Why would This government lie about anything...:sarcasm:

"Crossing the Rubicon" by Mike Rupert
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0865715408/ref=dp_olp_2/102-4442449-2468103?ie=UTF8&qid=1182434055&sr=8-1

[SeattleGirl]

116. Well, fuck, just color me surprised!

I wish Dubya would just get on with it (or is that, get it on????), give Osama, or Usama, or whatever the hell his name is, a BJ, be done with it, and leave the rest of us the f**king hell alone!

This is NEWS?

Sheesh, as soon as Fahrenheit 9/11 came out, I knew the the Bin Laden's and the Bushes had a cluster f**k going on. And yeah, lots of other folks new it before that.

D. U. B. Y. A.

Got a suggestion for you:

Why don't you just give up your self-made throne.....

Give one last FUCK YOU to this country I love, and am struggling with to keep the love alive...

And get the freak out of here!

Got it?

Then you can comfortably stick your head up Osama/Usama/Bam-a-lam-a-ding-dong's ass as much as you want, fulfull your perverted sense of pleasure, and leave the rest of us the fuck alone!

Got it?

Do ya?

Just leave us the goddamned freakin' fuck alone!

Lots of us love this country.

Lots of us care about her.

Lots of us care about our standing in the world.

I realize that you don't.

I realize that you do not give a flying FUCK about this country, her citizens, and nor do you care about the rest of the world.

Tough shit, George.

I CARE.

I love this country, fucked up as she is right now.

You do not care.

You don't give a flying fuck about it.

So, let's make a deal, okay?

You 'scuze your bad self from any and all decisions related to what is best for this country (because after all, THAT kind of "best" is anathema to you.

You send the message that ALL Dems and ALL repukes are OFF LIMITS to anyone and everyone who thinks they have a right to access these people.

And then, you excuse your sorry ass, make your exit, and LEAVE US THE FUCK ALONE.

Thin you can do that?

No?

Oh, come on George. Let's let bygones be bygones.

Let's forget the past (well, except the part that ruined the whole gigantic, tremendous, world), and before I sign off, remind you that there is a place you can go to in order to help you get things squared away.

But you'd better hurry.

If not, your "friends" in the WH will have beaten you to the punch.

They would have already kissed ass and whatever else they needed to do.

Too bad you didn't see that one coing whe those of us on this website did.

Snooze, ya loose, baby!

[Wednesdays]

118. To which Dubya says...

"Hey, if I don't take ya up on your offer, whattaya gonna do about it?"

[mikelgb]

120. was he on it?

I'll bet

[originalpckelly]

123. HOLY FUCK! THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATION!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG!

That's what's fucking surprising.

[wordpix]

134. Geez, no posts from the freepers. What do you think of your King Gorge now, freeps?

This is what I've thought of him since before he became pRes up to now :puke:

[guitar man]

135. *yawn*

move along, nothing to see here, it's all Clinton's fault anyway.... :sarcasm:

[Megahurtz]

139. Wonder If The MSN Will Pick This Up....

:eyes:

[kitty1]

152. Apparently CNN had a segment on this recently...n/t

[Megahurtz]

182. Hmmmm, They've Been

surprizing me lately! :wow:

[ejbr]

140. "I haven't really been thinking to much about Osama bin Laden...

He chartered a plane which padded the account of a buddy of mine, I let him fly his family out of the country, leaving us no leverage to catch him, and now I am busy becoming the war president so everyone, including the press, will finally start kissing my ass. So, what's the problem?"

[mikelgb]

142. it is clear from the doc that one of the passengers was indeed osama

[svpadgham]

147. I seem to recall

something like this being mentioned in Fahrenheit 9/11. Not long after that I remember the rejerkilcan misinformation machine debunking that "myth." Well, they didn't really debunk it so much as just lie and say it didn't happen. Now we have FBI documents to prove it did happen. Who wants to bet nothing will happen?

[Divine Discontent]

153. Nothing to see here, move on! ha

it's pretty DAMN obvious to all of us they're all in cahoots, but do we want to know the truth????

yes.


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <- top 08 items

[Marie26]

155. The charter company is a CIA front group - used for torture flights.

According to the FBI docs, the plane was owned by a charter company called "Ryan International Airlines." This company seems to be a CIA front group, which was used to fly terror suspects to secret CIA prisons around the world. The Bin Laden family, in contrast, got a quick flight home. Odd.

From the Saudi FBI doc:

Event: On 9/19/2001, a 727 plane left LAX, The plane was chartered by either the Saudi Royal Family or Osama Bin Laden. ... The tail number of the plane is N521DB, w/charter company being Ryan Int'l Airlines.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi%20Docs%202.pdf

Amnesty Int. lists Ryan International as one of the companies involved in CIA rendition flights & other covert actions:

"Amnesty International and TransArms have compiled a list of companies likely to have had some level of involvement in renditions and other covert operations. This includes the owners or operators of aircraft that have been detected in known cases of rendition or in other CIA operations, as well as some of the companies – believed to be intelligence-linked – that are mentioned in both the US Army Aeronautical Service Agency’s worldwide landing permits and in US DoD fuelling contracts.

The tentative list of companies involved in covert activities has in turn formed the basis for the list of aircraft whose flights Amnesty International has tracked over the 2001-2006 period. ...

The other indication of a shifting landscape in the world of front companies is the current list of companies with a Civil Aircraft Landing Permit (CALP) that authorizes them to land on US military bases worldwide. The 10 companies that currently hold such certificates are listed below, but equally important are those that are no longer listed.

Private companies with current permits to land in US military bases worldwide:

RYAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES 01-05-152 15 May 2006

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR510512006

[Altean Wanderer]

158. Incredible...

Bin Laden connected to or allowed to charter an airline that's a CIA front. And we're supposed to believe the official story of 9-11!

[eridani]

174. No one actually knows whothehell chartered it

The point is that Saudi nationals were expedited out of the country, at least one of whom had prior knowledge of 9-11, while random Muslims who had jackshit to do with it were picked up off the streets and disappeared.

[Marie26]

178. Seems like

our government actually chartered this flight, took care of the details, escorted the passengers, etc. Good service! Bin Laden just called a crony to get it done. This seems like a top-down operation - Bin Laden calls a top US official, who contacts a CIA agent to arrange the flight. I don't think there's any way Bin Laden could have called this company by chance, or that he could have done this w/o the CIA knowing. It looks more like Bin Laden used his personal contacts in the CIA/FBI to order them to remove all his relatives, and the CIA complied. The US government actually chartered this plane, and allowed it to be flown out of the country.

[eridani]

180. And the reason some other member of the royal family couldn't have done it--

--is what, exactly? It isn't like Bandar Bush doesn't have a lot of clout.

[Marie26]

184. This was different

Basically, there were several flights of Saudi royalty, but only one flight for the Bin Laden relatives. I briefly googled the companies that the other Saudis used, & they don't seem to have CIA connections. That suggests that the Bin Laden flight was arranged in a very different way from the other flights, and organized by a different person.

[Bullet1987]

163. Great find Marie26!!!

[kitty1]

168. A CIA official met with OBL while he was at a Dubai Hospital....

back in July 2001. We all remember that bizaar twist. Here is the most wanted man in the world having a chat with a CIA agent at the American hospital in Dubai just before 9/11.
The CIA also prevented a lot of potentially good intel from getting out after 9/11 by thwarting efforts to retrieve computer files from some of the known hijackers. Like those incidents in Minneapolis and Phoenix.
Agents were prevented from doing their jobs, as if they wanted certain info concealed and protected.
In another situation, a CIA had been overseeing the movements of one of the highjackers in California for some time beforehand, and was even in the same room with him at one point, but nothing came of it. Bandar's wife was likely supporting this individual financially.
Prince Bandar was also in thick with the CIA and ran a lot of covert jobs for them. He even set up a car bombing in Lebanon at one time because of his position and leverage.
Yeah, I agree, they're all in cahoots somehow.

[wordpix]

169. OK, so a CIA front co. flies out the bin Laden family after 911. In Bushworld, that's

all in a day's CIA work.

Still, it would be worth asking Tenet about it.

[Marie26]

177. Apparantly it is

Yeah, it'd be worth asking Tenet, except the CIA officially denies that they're even doing rendition flights at all, and they'd certainly deny being behind these charter front groups. It's all highly "classified information," can't testify about it. Blech. I'm not sure we'll ever find the real truth.

[olddad56]

162. Who cares about Bin Laden, we got Paris Hilton off the streets.

[wordpix]

170. hahaha, good one

[Altean Wanderer]

164. This story is why Bush is considering closing Gitmo now...

who will talk / write about this if Bush closes Gitmo at this fortuitous time.

[ryanmuegge]

172. I can't even read this. It's so disturbing if it's true.

[CJCRANE]

181. The FBI website names him as "Usama bin Laden"

on their website.

Therefore maybe he could have said "No, I'm Osama, you're thinking of someone else. You know how all these arabic names are so similar".

[rocktivity]

185. Orbitz, Travelocity, or Expedia? Visa, MasterCard or American Express?

He COULDN'T have done it without leaving a paper trail!

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