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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:16 PM
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WZO: Europe is becoming Muslim
"Europe is becoming a Muslim continent," a new public relations booklet prepared by the World Zionist Organization warns.





The booklet, a Hebrew-language copy of which was obtained by Haaretz, was prepared for a conference of leaders of Orthodox communities worldwide that opens today in Jerusalem, and will be distributed to all of the approximately 200 rabbis and community leaders in attendance. Entitled "A Guide to Anti-Semitism and Terror for Diaspora Communities," the booklet was prepared by the WZO's Spiritual Services for the Diaspora unit, "with the goal of raising awareness of the issue," according to unit chairman Rabbi Yehiel Wasserman.

The booklet states that dialogue on the basis of mutual concern for religion is impossible with Muslims, even moderates, because Islam has no common theological concepts with Judaism.

Regarding the dangers posed by Muslims in Europe, the document states that "what began 40 years ago as an innocent migration by the unemployed" has become "an attempt at conquest aimed at changing the face of the Western world and history."

The document warns in particular against contact with young, Western-educated Muslims ...

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/376973.html

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:21 PM
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1. You mean...
...there actually IS a 'World Zionist Organization'? Wow.

BTW, I've heard that Prince Charles has studied quite a bit about Islam, and I've also seen him referred to as 'Prince Charles of Arabia' in print. Coincidence?

:evilgrin:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:24 PM
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3. Goes back to
the Congress of Basel in 1898... all conspiracy nuts aside... it does
a lot of good works in teh comunity as well
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:24 PM
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2. I hate to say it
but many young westernized Muslims have been radicalized...

Read the bio of Atta and you will see what I mean... but that
is not a theat agains Jews, but all of us...

And how you change that radicalization is a good damned question
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:32 PM
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4. Judiasm, Christianity, and Islam are all derived from
the patriarchy of Abraham, a man who was willing to kill his own son for his God and had many women as wives/concubines. IMHO, there isn't that much difference between the foundations of these religions and they all foster anti-female, anti-child fundamentalist views in many followers.

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Epoch Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:39 PM
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5. As a jew...
As a Jew i find these folks repulsive...No matter who you are, muslim, jewish, or christian, radical funamentalists have no place...That goes for the settlers in Hebron, Islamic JIhad, and the Jerry Fallwell..

just my opinion
yaron
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:43 PM
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6. I agree wtih yuo
the radicals are now running the asylum, on all faiths...

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:49 PM
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21. ...as a nothing I agree - by the way,
which one has the best health program?
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the_boxer_ Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:05 PM
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38. Agreed Epoch!
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:58 PM
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7. In Tulsa, religious right people have said
...US prisoners are converting to Islam (I think they don't mean just Nation of Islam

...students at US 'secular' universities are being prosletized to strict Islam ('they don't have any strong beliefs so they are easy prey')

...in Australia, US, and England, ALL Muslims are a 5th column working to destroy western chrisian civilization by 'tolerance', high birth rate, and violence where all else fails

...the 'secret' parts of Mormonism are Islamic inspired

...the 'secret' parts of the Masons are based on Islam

...etc etc etc

And they believe this and 'spread the word.'
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chasqui Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:05 PM
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8. While we are on that topic.....
...students at US 'secular' universities are being prosletized to strict Islam ('they don't have any strong beliefs so they are easy prey')

THIS is why a strong rational mind needs to be encouraged by adopting a more robust humanist education K-12.
Just the opposite that the repukes are maneuvering for.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:09 PM
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9. Next we will hear
that Humanism is Muslim inspired.

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:11 PM
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10. Hmm..."...the 'secret' parts of Mormonism are Islamic inspired"
Let's see. Mormanism and Islam both added new holy books and new prophets. They have both been known to practice polygamous marriages. And they both live in deserts!

Maybe there's something to that...Hey, does that mean is Orrin Hatch working for Al Queda?

:eyes:

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Sufi Marmot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:02 PM
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33. "...the 'secret' parts of the Masons are based on Islam"
...the 'secret' parts of the Masons are based on Islam

Actually, they may be correct here, kinda sorta. Some people believe that some of the Masonic symbolism is derived or adapted from medieval Sufi symbolism and lore. Idries Shah wrote extensively about such connections in "The Sufis", although I don't know how much truth there was to his assertions. An organization like the Masons could do much worse than to have as its antecedents ancient Sufi orders...

-SM
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:48 PM
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36. I do remember reading that prisoners are inclined to convert to Islam
and there are large numbers of prisoners who do so. Then Bush stole the election and now we hear no mention of Islam in prisons. INstead we are treated to the notion that Christians will open up special wards in our prisons dedicated to converting the prisoners to Christianity. They will entice the vulnerable by offering perks they would not get otherwise--(from the Mustlim religion?)
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:16 PM
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11. Oh Shit
If you are going to invade us you will definatly need the draft.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:48 PM
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12. You can help fight this deadly menace.
Send Money Now!!!!

Seriously, every once in a while something comes along that
is sooooo stupid that it really stands out. This one gets the
prize. "Muslims becoming European" is way closer to the truth.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:15 PM
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13. fits with Scalia's label of "post-Christian" Europe
of course, he's said that because Europe holds to that other "post Christian" idea...the Enlightenment...which all good Catholics and other good Christians, Scalia seems to think, should resist.

No matter that he's a judge in the highest office of the land of a nation founded on enlightenment principles...

Principles don't seem to bother theocrats.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:17 PM
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14. You mean, again.
Islam had a strong hold on most of Europe before.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:27 PM
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15. Bingo!
LOL!
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Utmost Certainty Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:43 PM
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19. Most of Europe? Hardly.
The magnitude of this incursion is absolutely unprecedented in history.

The Muslim menace in the West was thwarted by Charles Martel at the Battle of Poiters and kept mostly at bay in the Eastern parts of Europe by the Croats and Serbs... though moreso by the Croats.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:38 AM
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29. oddly enough
I live in an American neighborhood with Croats, Serbs, and a few Bosnian Muslims. I am Wiccan.
I get along best with the Bosnians.
They seem more urbane and well, tolerant...

This area could work a lot better as a melting pot, if America itself did not reinforce xenophobia so eagerly.

The amount of reductionism and hate that declares itself debate these days is astounding. I guess that is inevitable in a country mis-ruled by an idiot.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:29 PM
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16. The US Constitution is becoming
more important day by day. Let it be a shield against these attempts to start religious wars.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:47 PM
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20. Good in theory
Not too helpful if someone like radical Islamists start a religious war against you.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:19 AM
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25. The Constitution is vital
to prevent persecution against Muslims in this country because they are of the same religion as radical elements of the Muslim religion. It is possible that Christian radicalism could be a problem in this country also if used in response to an attempt by other countries to start religious warring.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:42 AM
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30. The Constitution was written during wartime
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 10:43 AM by htuttle
The framers of the Constitution were well aware of the effect of war -- the war they were fighting was happening right here in our streets and fields, not overseas. In fact, they themselves said that at no time are the protections of the Constitution and Bill of rights MORE IMPORTANT than during wartime.

Your statement is a common canard used to justify removing the protections of the Constitution for the sake of 'safety'. I suggest you think it through further.


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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:14 PM
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39. Or in reality.
When Christian Fundamentalists coopt the government into continuing their thousand-year Crusade.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:20 PM
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41. Oh, you mean like these radical East Texas bigots?
http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=1563239&nav=2FH5JewF

Sodium cyanide, 500,000 rounds of ammo, fake UN ids; but watch out for those dang Islamic folks, right?
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:36 PM
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17. Islam,as intended, is awesome
ecumenical in every way
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:29 PM
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18. Wackos, just complete wackos!
What a bunch of fruitcakes!
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akitamata Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:15 AM
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23. Thank you...
for stating the obvious. I was about to post a reply to all the idiocy that has been spawned by this thread, but I could not have said it more succinctly. I am ashamed at the tone of many of these replies and I am appalled at the obvious lack of knowledge about Islam and it's relation to all the other Axial Age religions. In a "nut shell", many of the posted replies are racist and more dangerous than the ridiculous warning from the WZO. Shame on the small-minded who have fallen for this line of nonsense. It makes me want to start my own religion; The Faith of the Misanthrope.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:09 AM
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32. Yes ...
I noticed a few replies which were less then tasteful. Honestly I'm tired of this insidious attitude propelled by disinformation and just complete ignorance towards Muslims. Unfortunately, the anti-Muslim and anti-Arabic campaign has been prevalent in this country for decades, it is the very factor which made this criminal war possible.
This so called "warning" should serve to show who truly are the religious fanatics in this situation and how anyone can condone one religion targeting another is beyond comprehension for me.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:54 AM
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22. Does this sound oddly like circa 1938 Germany to anyone else?
When the Germans really ramped up their propaganda against the Jews? Then they also claimed the Jews were secretly plotting against the Aryan race, that their prosperity was an attempt at conquest of Europe, that dialogue with them was impossible, and that "good, pure Aryans" shouldn't interact with Jews?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:38 AM
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26. Yes
Second verse, same as the first
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:01 PM
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37. Yes, and it was rooted in thousands of years of villifying the Jews on
the part of the Christains, who inspired and encouraged hatred against the JEws because the "killed" a god--their Jesus, known to Jews as Yeshua. The myth was carried on as undeniable dogma and children were taught to hate the jews because they were guilty of killing the god--who nevertheless was resurrected, as many gods were, if one cares to read mythology.

So now, we see the buildup of prejucide and hatred, toward Muslims in much the same way. The Muslims are responsible for overthrowing the Christians , ergo, they are also evil, anti-Christain, people. The reason they are so is because they do not believe in the same god. I find this amusing and concurrently, sad. People have not evolved out of those tribal affiliations. PEople do not have it within them to love ALL human beings because they cannot see how that will preserve their own "territory" the thought of losing the same, which throws them into a nightmare of a panic.

Humans will need to evolve further in order to fulfill their potential to love others and eliminate hatred of others based on nothing other than a revenge of some sort. That always works, right? I mean if we read history we can see that plainly :eyes:

No amount of gods who were crucified and then resiurrected has ever been able to hurry evolution along. Probably because all of them, all religions, are tribal in nature and will resort to the pecking order when push comes to shove. Their first concern will be for seeing to it that their own genes survive, even if it means killing off the children of all thier religious enemies.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:00 AM
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24. i didn't know wzo had a
sense of humour.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:51 AM
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27. So what? Good for Europe.
More crazed hysteria-mongering from supporters of a failed regime in Israel.

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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:16 AM
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28. Many Muslims in the flat I live in ...
... about one third, but no one ever tried to convert me. Only Jehovahs witnesses and some LDSaints.

Alot of discussion about this goes on in Germany, with many right wingers, but also some leftists, fearing a growing muslim influence.

At the beginning of the Iraq war our big local peace rally stopped in front of a local moderate islamic centre to allow an islamic prayer for peace (and a minute of silent prayer or just silence for those with a different or no faith). To many, this was an emotionally very moving experience, because it was not a demonstration of political islam, but a genuine expression of the (religious) emotions of people from another culture. But a small part of protesters really was very concerned of "giving too much influence to radical islamists". Of course, none of them had problems with the numerous peace prayers in christian churches.

Personally, I'm more afraid of fringers from the right and control obsessed politicians that gained a lot of political impact from the hyped up fear of Islam.
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pnziii Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:43 AM
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31. That's what Israel is afraid of
Have you noticed that a lot of support for Palastine and the ME comes from Europe. I think part of the reason for the Iraq war was also to discredit Europe's views of Israel.

Take a look. No one likes or trusts the French or Germans.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:27 PM
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35. "No one likes or trusts the French or Germans." ??!!!??
You have just got to be kidding. Rightwing Americans don't like or trust the French or Germans, and that is about it.

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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:18 PM
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40. She's not kidding.
The right wing, backed by fundamentalists religious nuts, is empowered in the U.S. and Israel. Continental Europe stands to the left of all of this and is able to see the fundamentalist religious dangers for what it is.
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dai Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:18 PM
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34. Headscarves...

If Muslims are taking over Europe, why are the French banning headscarves in schools?
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