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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:26 PM
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US House votes to bar permanent Iraq bases
Source: AFP

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US House of Representatives on Wednesday voted overwhelmingly to bar permanent US military bases in Iraq, in the latest bid by Democrats to trim White House options on the war.

Democratic congresswoman Barbara Lee, who wrote the bill, said it made clear the United States did not intend to keep an "open-ended" presence in Iraq and had no designs on the war-torn nation's oil riches.

"Putting Congress on record with this clear statement helps take the targets off our troops' backs and it support our goals of handing over responsibility for security and public safety to Iraqi forces," she said.

"We may disagree on many things about Iraq, but I hope we can agree that an endless occupation is not the answer," Lee said.




Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070725/pl_afp/uscongressiraq
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:28 PM
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1. Whoa! That is GREAT NEWS! Thanks for posting
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:28 PM
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2. good, that's a start... but what are we going to do with the 'super' base
now that it's already built? :shrug:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:33 PM
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3. Why is this bill non-binding and chiefly rhetorical?


Some are heralding a bill passed today by Congress as some sort of victory (while Congress is actually debating a large Pentagon bill to which Murtha says he wants to attach a non-binding clause that the US has to move some US troops around (redeploy) in Iraq in 6 months.



What the bill actually states:



No funds made available by any Act of Congress shall be obligated or expended for a purpose as follows:

(1) To establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq.

(2) To exercise United States economic control of the oil resources of Iraq.

Passed the House of Representatives July 25, 2007.

Why is this bill non-binding and chiefly rhetorical?



Any subsequent act of congress would supercede this act of congress. This bill does not prevent any future bill to expend funds to do these things. Such a bill would just cast this act aside.



The bases already being built in Iraq and that have been built and fully funded by this same congress are of permanent capability. As long as they get funded year to year, this bill is a joke. Just because they do not call them “permanent” (calling them that would be stupid from every diplomatic angle), does not mean that they are not defacto of a permanent nature.



The same holds true for the second part. The US presence – fully funded by the Democratic Party that controls Congress – does serve the purpose for economic control of Iraq – not only of resources but every other economic way including fuel availability, water, electricity, reconstruction – everything. The US is occupier. The oil law which privatizes and invites foreign companies to control Iraqi oil fields was insisted upon as a benchmark by the Democratic Party controlled congress. That is the actual policy.



Again, explicitly stating “we are funding bases for the purpose of controlling Iraq’s oil” would again be stupid. Much smarter to say – we’re not going to do that when in actual fact that is precisely the policy. Kind of like: “We’re not funding another $100 billion for the war with the oil law bench mark to get our tentacles into that oil – heck – we even passed a bill that says we’re not doing that – heh heh heh!”



This bill is more blowhard pap from a pro-war congress. The victory is for the Democratic Party that they have hoodwinked some into marketing this rhetorical non-binding and ineffective bill as if it is some tangible victory for a movement that in actual fact has been routed in vote after vote (the votes that count – for funding). We have had no victory. The Democratic Party keeps the war machine fully oiled with billions and with occupying soldiers.




- http://EndOccIRaq. org
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:35 PM
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4. Isn't this a few years late?
Surely Congress persons knew about the massive base that has been under construction since Shock and Awe? Surely.

What will happen to this huge albatross?

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:00 AM
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9. Don't forget that $1 billion new embassy in Baghdad, rivaling the Vatican in acreage.
How about rescinding the Iraq hydrocarbon law that gives Big Oil a monopoly on Iraq's oil?
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:43 PM
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5. WP: House Bill Bars Permanent Bases in Iraq
House Bill Bars Permanent Bases in Iraq

Thursday, July 26, 2007; Page A14

The House overwhelmingly approved legislation yesterday that would bar the establishment of permanent military bases in Iraq or use federal dollars to exercise control over Iraqi oil resources.

The measure, passed 399 to 24, was part of a barrage of Iraq bills scheduled for this month and designed to raise pressure on Republicans to break with President Bush on the war.

Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), who chairs the House Appropriations subcommittee on defense, said that next week he will offer an amendment to the annual defense spending bill demanding that troop withdrawals begin this fall. The amendment would not set a final date for the withdrawal of troops, a change from past Democratic efforts that Murtha predicted will bring Republicans along.

"The Democratic Congress will go on record -- every day, if necessary -- to register a judgment in opposition to the course of action that the president is taking in Iraq," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said.

<more>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/25/AR2007072501996.html?nav=rss_world/mideast/iraq
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:53 PM
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6. But we're still building the embassy bigger than The Vatican that looks like The Mall of America.n/t
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 10:36 PM
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7. 14 bases are permanent...they are already open for bidness...
This little item must be the important stuff the House is doing for the people, the Constitution, and their own satisfaction.

Bet Conyers voted for it...ya think Faux will attack him for doing so?

Yeah, they sure are busy.
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dollie300 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 11:33 PM
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8. Barbara Lee is a great Congressperson in my opinion.
She was roundly criticized by pundits (FOX especially), politicians, the MSM for voting against the blank check resolution for Bush to invade Iraq. (http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0923-04.htm)

I have the highest regard for her. Hats off!!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:57 PM
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10. When you look at the broad picture of U.S. policy in Iraq, and in general, you
see the strangle-hold of the "military-industrial complex," war profiteers and global corporate predators on Congress, on our election system, in the massive theft of our tax dollars for purposes that the vast majority of Americans do not agree with, and in many government actions that are impoverishing the poor and middle class, grossly favoring the rich, and destroying our Constitution and civil and human rights.

That is the truth of the matter. And you have only to consider how rightwing Bushite corporations took over the 'counting' of our votes, with extremely insecure and insider hackable electronic voting machines, run on "trade secret," proprietary programming code, with the full support of the Democratic Party leadership, to know just how seriously we have been betrayed by the political establishment.

That is the "broad swath" picture. It is undeniable. But I think we should take heed from what occurred in the French Revolution, which descended into a massive bloodletting--the guillotining of thousands of people who were innocent, or only peripherally guilty (victims of the circumstances they were born to), of collusion with the corrupt Bourbon regime. Are we going to "guillotine" those who are trying to help us? People like John Conyers and Sheila Jackson-Lee? I think we have to be a bit more compassionate in our analysis, and try to understand what someone like Lee is dealing with--or even someone like Pelosi. When it comes to individuals, and what they are able to get done in these circumstances--the circumstances of a fascist coup (and a very, very dangerous one)--I think our analysis needs to be more subtle and nuanced, more human, or we may fall prey to Bushite "divide and conquer" tactics. The Bushites thrive on chaos. That is their M.O. We can see this clearly in Iraq. I have noted it in their South American policy. There is no reason to think that that is not their plan here as well. Beware of this, is all I'm saying! We are in a very, very, VERY dangerous, difficult and volatile situation, with conscienceless maniacs--into chaos as a method of profiteering--in control of the U.S. military, with their fingers on the nuclear button. And those of our leaders who mean us well are themselves in constant danger--if not from bodily harm, from blackmail and other dirty tactics.

I am the first to say that the Democratic Party leadership DID NOT WANT to have an anti-war, or even a progressive, majority in Congress. If they did, they, a) would NEVER have supported NON-TRANSPARENT vote 'counting' by Bushite corporations, and b) would have been yelling about this--warning the public, raising the alarm--from Day One. They did not. They are STILL not. So, when they say they "don't have enough votes" in Congress to impeach Bush, or stop the war, I have to laugh. They cooked this rotten stew themselves!

But where does that leave well-meaning leaders who may have been stupid about electronic voting, or may have yielded to party pressure on it, or may now be fearful of themselves being Diebolded out of office (--and thus denied the power to do ANYTHING)?

I followed the story of California Secretary of State, Kevin Shelley, closely. When he went after Diebold, sued them and demanded to see their source code, just before the 2004 election, he was then "swift-boated" out of office, on entirely bogus corruption charges, with the collusion of the state Democratic Party leaders and a gang of corrupt county election officials. So much for Kevin Shelley! It was brutal and unmistakable as a Rove-type assault, combining a corporate news monopoly smear campaign with Diebold-corrupted Democratic Party leaders. The Bushites didn't have to do a thing (except behind the scenes). (And I now have suspicions that the Bushite domestic spying/domestic black ops program was in some way involved, yanking on peoples' strings behind the scenes, and possibly with plants in Shelley's office or campaign.) It taught me a lesson in how these things are done--removal of honest officials. And it also was a searing lesson in how powerful Diebold/ES&S is, and how important this covert vote 'counting' capability is, not just to Bushites but also to War/Corporate Democrats. At the least, War/Corporate or compromised Democrats are very afraid of it.

Multiple that fear many times--anthrax letters, more "terrorist" attacks, fear of riding in small airplanes, fear of the rightwing media machine (which Americans have become largely immune to, but which is nevertheless used to create "narratives" for pre-ordained events, which then demoralize and disempower the majority), fear of countering the rightwing Israel lobby (AIPAC)--loss of campaign funds in this highly corrupt campaign contribution system--fear inspired by Cheney/Rumsfeld's outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame and an entire WMD counter-proliferation network, with no consequences to the perpetrators (--they can "out"--disable, smear, destroy--ANYBODY).

This is the atmosphere that ALL of our office holders and leaders are having to operate in. Yes, they brought it on themselves in many respects--some more knowingly than others. But KNOWING this doesn't HELP us NOW. NOW we have to figure out how to get our democracy back IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.

So-o-o-o-o, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, a resolution against permanent bases in Iraq, even if it is without teeth, is, in fact, an interesting and possibly useful victory. It demonstrates, first of all, that this lopsided LACK of representation of the American people in Congress, is GETTING TO THEM--to our leaders. 70% of the American people want this war stopped--and yet this Diebold II Congress has pretty much the opposite percentage (about 60/40 pro-war). How do they keep the war going, while fending off the increasing and overwhelming view of the American people? They throw a sop at us--but it does, in truth, express our will, though it doesn't implement our will. Contrast this with, oh, Feb. '03, just before the invasion, when 56% of the American people opposed the Iraq War, and there was NO reflection of that significant majority anywhere. It was just "war, war, war!"--as if the majority supported it, when it didn't. Or contrast it to nine months ago, when the Diebold I Congress was in session, and the Bush "pod people" were out in force.

The pressure of the people is getting to Congress, and it is expressed by our better leaders, who are doing what they can--in a still very lopsided, pro-war, anti-progressive Congress (a Congress infested with 40 or so "Blue Dog"--i.e., traitor--Democrats)--to make our will known, and to forge coalitions that are hedging in Bush and Cheney. I think it is pretty obvious that Bush and Cheney HAVE BEEN curtailed. I think the three strongest evidences of that are, 1) that Rumsfeld was pressured out, 2) that they didn't attack Iran (when the British sailors were captured), and 3) that Gonzales and Rove are being hampered on CURRENT efforts to bully US attorneys and others, and to commit further crimes, and cover up crimes, by Congressional investigations and by internal dissent (--they are not being stopped altogether, but they ARE being hampered).

Where is all this going? I don't know. But I suspect that it's going toward consolidation of all the fascist/corporate gains under Bush, in a second Clinton (corporatist) administration. The Bushes make the Clintons look "progressive." I think that's what all this--the entire Bush Junta--is about. To make the Clintons look good. No more Seattle '99s (popular revolts against U.S. global corporate predators). We'll be happy if they don't torture us, and don't spirit us away into indefinite "detention." Believe me, I do not wear rose-colored glasses. HOWEVER, I think that developments in Congress--slow and half-assed as they are--are a good sign. Our democracy is not entirely dead--at the federal level. It has never been dead among the people, and if we get smart, and "throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor,'" we will eventually get our country back, and maybe even create a better one. But there are certain disasters that we must avert in the meantime--an attack on Iran, WW III, another Great Depression, and the vast dislocation and civil chaos that these, and global warming, could result in. We are in some danger of the disunity, fragmentation and civil chaos that paved the way to Hitler's rise. I think we need to stick with the leftists in Congress, and with the better Democrats, and keep on, relentlessly, trying to empower them, rather than "guillotining" them in our rage at their compromises.

It has taken many decades to destroy our democracy. It didn't happen overnight. And it is going to take time and much effort to restore it. I think our efforts should be focused on transparent vote counting--at the state/local level, where ordinary people still have some influence. We also need to intensify our GOTV efforts, to try outvote the machines wherever we can (in both the primaries and the general election next year). We are expecting too much for a Diebold/ES&S-(s)elected Congress to suddenly restore democracy FOR us. Even the best-intended of them cannot do that. It's sometimes difficult to sort out who ARE the best-intended among them. But Sheila Jackson-Lee and John Conyers are among the better bets, in that regard. And we should be supporting and not reviling them. Criticize, yes--revile and abandon, no.

As for Pelosi--I think she made a deal with the Bushites on Iran. We won't impeach; you won't attack Iran--and get rid of Rumsfeld. It's just a guess, but a pretty good one, I think. That's where "impeachment is off the table" (--an otherwise inexplicable statement) was coming from. And that's why people like Conyers can't do anything about it. Personally, I object to deals being made at "tables" that the American people are not invited to. And it may be that, in the end, she was just angling for time--time to get a military Draft (--in a War/Corporate Democratic regime), time to fend off potential military/economic hostilities with China and Russia, if we were to attack Iran precipitously, time to lay better ground work. I have not made up my mind about Pelosi--about who she is working for. But IF she made such a deal--for good reasons, or long term bad reasons--it puts people like Conyers and Sheila Jackson-Lee into a real bind. Impeach--and the consequence may be WW III. (And this may BE the bind, even if Pelosi didn't make such a deal--fear of what Bush and Cheney will do, if they are actually held to account, before they can be removed from power.)



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:43 PM
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11. I've been thinking about my thesis on Pelosi--that she made a deal, no impeachment, no
attack on Iran (--and get rid of Rumsfeld).

Think about this for a moment. IF this is true, what would it cause Bush, Cheney, Rove & co. to do, given their psychology and past behavior? Out-of-control, adolescent bullies. It would cause them to ABUSE the deal, as far as they could do so--for instance, by claiming Executive Privilege for all White House aides and the DoJ, and stonewalling on documents, no matter the subject, no matter Congress' right to testimony; by defying Congressional subpoenas, saying the DoJ will NOT enforce the law on Congress' behalf; by commuting Libby's sentence--after three years of lies and obstruction of justice, Grand Jury and FBi investigations and a trial (such contempt for the rule of law!); by staging a military sea buildup around Iran/Iraq. Say, part of the deal was, 'yes, Congress is going to investigate certain things; I can't stop people like Conyers and Leahy; but the leadership will not support impeachment of Bush and Cheney.' So-o-o-o-o, what to they do? Bush and Cheney push, push, push the limits--until they are now in contempt of Congress.

And IF Pelosi made such a deal, she has to be mightily worried that a) they can't let White House contempt of Congress go unchecked, but, b) the contempt leads right to Bush and Cheney, and if Congress impeaches them--which they may have to do, to uphold the "balance of powers" (to avoid Congress losing critically important Constitutional powers), what happens re Iran?

I can't make sense of Pelosi's "impeachment is off the table"--without some deal having been made. Pelosi's not stupid. You just DON'T DO this--you don't give away your MAIN POWER without getting something big in return. She HAD to have gotten something in return. And her trip to the Middle East just afterward--in the midst of the British sailors capture crisis--points to Iran as the bargaining point.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that Bush, Cheney, Rove & co. are NOT honorable men. They are the most treacherous of men. And it would be just like them to behave with complete arrogance, and DIS-honor, after such a deal was made, and to engage in even worse impeachable behavior, as if they had a "get out of jail free" card. And that is exactly how they are behaving--as if Congress had been stripped of its power of impeachment, and they can now do ANYTHING they want--including the most outrageous assertions of Executive Privilege, cuz, who's gonna stop them?
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