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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:23 AM
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One dead as Bolivian students, soldiers clash
Source: DW-Deutsche Welle

In Bolivia, at least one person has been killed after soldiers clashed with students protesting against an assembly to consider proposed changes to the country's constitution. Hospital officials in the southern city of Sucre said a student was shot dead in the disturbances. Interior Minister Alfredo Rada said it was unclear who had fired the shot.

Read more: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/function/0,,12215_cid_2971088,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf



i got it as news. perhaps you already know.
terrible.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:45 AM
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1. Amid deadly turmoil, Bolivia approves new draft constitution
Amid deadly turmoil, Bolivia approves new draft constitution
9 hours ago

SUCRE, Bolivia (AFP) — A pro-government majority of Bolivia's constituent assembly approved a new draft constitution for the Andean nation Saturday, with the opposition boycotting and violent protests on the streets.

The assembly, called by leftist President Evo Morales to rewrite the constitution to better address the needs of the country's majority poor, approved the new text on a preliminary basis, though it will be considered article-by-article at a later date, the chairwoman of the assembly, Silvia Lazarte, said without specifying that date.

One demonstrator was killed and three other people were injured earlier as opponents of the new political charter clashed with police outside. Attorney Gonzalo Duran died of a bullet wound to the neck, doctor Mario Carvajal told local media.

Sucre was also hit by violent demonstrations Friday and Saturday, as the some 150 pro-government delegates did their work inside a military academy.
Opposition lawmakers boycotted the assembly and earlier called it illegal; the pro-government side however sang the national anthem as they wrapped up their work.

More:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jtKED89PG_SSKisFbFv2we7M7DZA
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:04 AM
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2. If the Bolivian right-wing could get back in power, they could use the services of this man, as they
used to do, before the Bolivian majority FINALLY got a President who would represent them. It's the right-wing in Santa Cruz state which is rioting, attempting to get the country's capital declared to be their own large city, Sucre. They wish to separate from Bolivia, if this current rioting doesn't work, and take all the mineral and oil and gas wealth with them, so they won't be required to share with the poor of Bolivia.

Here's the man who used to work for the Bolivian right-wing, who is being extradited to Bolivia, to serve a long sentence for his criminal behavior against the leftists of Bolivia:
Luis Arce Gómez:

Colonel Luis Arce Gómez was a Bolivian military officer. Of strong conservative, anti-communist persuasion, in 1980 he backed the bloody coup (sometimes referred to as the "Cocaine Coup") that brought to power the infamous General Luis García Meza. Indeed, Arce served as García Meza's right-hand man and Minister of the Interior.

Arce Gomez's tenure as Bolivia's chief repressor including the passing of such measures as the banning of all political parties, the incarceration and/or exile of most political opponents, the repression of the unions, and the censorship of the media. Among García Meza and Arce's collaborators were former Nazi officer Klaus Barbie, Italian terrorist Stefano Delle Chiaie, and professional torturers allegedly imported from the murderous Argentine dictatorship of General Jorge Rafael Videla. Some 1,000 people are estimated to have been killed by the Bolivian security apparatus in only 13 months. Apparently, Arce Gomez meant it when he cautioned that all Bolivians who may be opposed to the new order should "walk around with their written will under their arms." The most prominent victim of the dictatorship was the congressman, politician, and gifted orator Marcelo Quiroga Santa Cruz, murdered and "disappeared" soon after the coup. Quiroga had been the chief advocate of bringing to trial the former dictator, General Banzer (1971-78), for human right violations and economic mismanagement.

As if all this were not enough, the García Meza government was also deeply involved in drug trafficking activities, and may have come to power financed directly by the drug cartels. The main link of the regime to the drug dealers seems to have none other than the notorious Colonel Arce. The impunity with which he and García Meza operated led to the complete isolation of their government. Even the new, conservative U.S. President, Ronald Reagan, kept its distance and seemed to prefer better options. Eventually, Arce Gómez was forced to resign, as was his boss, García. In the late 1980s, Arce was extradited to the United States, where he is currently in jail, serving a lengthy sentence for drug trafficking.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Arce_G%C3%B3mez



Luis Arce Gómez

If there is any justice, the rioting elitist right-wing in Sucre will fail to hijack the government.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
US to Extradite Ex Bolivia Minister

La Paz, Nov 20 (Prensa Latina) Bolivia's ombudsman Waldo Albarracin confirmed Tuesday former Government Minister Luis Arce Gomez will be extradited from the US, where he is imprisoned for drug trafficking, in line with reciprocal treaties signed by the two governments.

According to Albarracin, the former minister should be sent back on November 23, under maximum security measures, to then serve another 30 years in the Chonchocoro prison, with no right to pardon.

He explained that a group of lawyers is in Washington arranging the expatriation to Bolivia of the so called ó cocaine minister, ó who served during the military dictatorship of Luis Garcia Meza (1980-1981).

Arce Gomez is charged with genocide, murder, and damage to the State economy.
(snip)
~~~~ link ~~~~


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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:39 AM
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3. ciao Judi Lynn! :)
i'm with you in the general survey of the situation.
just worried about a student shot dead. this is the last thing that should happen during a demonstration.
often the path to more murders, vengeance and the like!

thanx for documents' links.
the face of the colonel may perfectly fit a nazi official one at Nurnberg!
ciao :)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:00 AM
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4. Hi, there, demoleft! It is bad that kid was killed. It has not been the practice of Bolivian people
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 09:01 AM by Judi Lynn
to do any murdering, themselves, during the rioting. They have always been the targets of the right-wing dictators and Presidents. The last Bolivian President who brought in snipers was the man in charge during the water riots, when a subsidiary of the Bechtel Company in the U.S. raised the cost of water for Bolivians so high it was killing them, then they started trying to charge them for RAINWATER they tried to collect, in order to save a tiny bit of money.

During that time, the President had his police going into peoples' homes and dragging them out, and snipers shooting into the crowds of protesters. Very sad.

You will NOT see the current President, who is a Native Bolivian use any kind of snipers whatsoever. There is absolutely no way that will ever happen. That's a right-wing Latin American, U.S.-supported, S.O.A.-trained military characteristic.

Here's a reminder of the kind of President Bolivia has been having. This man was also the President from 1997, until he resigned due to cancer, in 2001:
COLONEL HUGO BANZER
President of Bolivia
In 1970, in Bolivia, when then-President Juan Jose Torres nationalized Gulf Oil properties and tin mines owned by US interests, and tried to establish friendly relations with Cuba and the Soviet Union, he was playing with fire. The coup to overthrow Torres, led by US-trained officer and Gulf Oil beneficiary Hugo Banzer, had direct support from Washington. When Banzer's forces had a breakdown in radio communications, US Air Force radio was placed at their disposal. Once in power, Banzer began a reign of terror. Schools were shut down as hotbeds of political subversive activity. Within two years, 2,000 people were arrested and tortured without trial. As in Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil, the native Indians were ordered off their land and deprived of tribal identity. Tens-of-thousands of white South Africans were enticed to immigrate with promises of the land stolen from the Indians, with a goal of creating a white Bolivia. When Catholic clergy tried to aid the Indians, the regime, with CIA help, launched terrorist attacks against them, and this "Banzer Plan" became a model for similar anti-Catholic actions throughout Latin America.
(snip/)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html

Here's another article on the current struggle going on in Sucre:
Thousands march in support of Bolivia's Morales
Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:22pm EST
By Eduardo Garcia

LA PAZ, Nov 21 (Reuters) - Thousands of supporters of Bolivian leader Evo Morales marched through the streets of La Paz on Wednesday shouting slogans against the opposition, days after Morales' foes called for "civil disobedience" in the regions they govern.

The march of mostly Aymara Indians from the city of El Alto -- a Morales stronghold near Bolivia's administrative capital La Paz -- came as the leftist leader faces increasing pressure from the rightist opposition against his mining and land reforms.

Morales, the South American country's first president of indigenous descent, controls the central government but the opposition rules in five of Bolivia's nine provinces, and they demand more autonomy and a larger share of state revenue.

Earlier this week, opposition leaders called for "civil disobedience" in the regions they govern, and Morales responded by calling them "seditious."

The conservative opposition also controls the Senate, which Morales has accused of blocking nearly a hundred bills approved by the lower chamber, where his party enjoys a comfortable majority.

"We're annoyed because opposition senators are not working and just spend their time doing things against the interests of the most needy," protest leader Jorge Choque was quoted as saying by state-run news agency ABI.
(snip/...)
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN21172835
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:52 AM
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5. Liberation Theology vs Right-wing reactionaries
The 'ruling families' have always used their connections to oppress the poor.

"When Catholic clergy tried to aid the Indians, the regime, with CIA help, launched terrorist attacks against them, and this "Banzer Plan" became a model for similar anti-Catholic actions throughout Latin America."

Catholic elites vs Catholic poor.


This is still going on in Mexico and Colombia.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:56 AM
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6. Trendy!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 10:49 AM
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7. Exactly! Bolivia is a Democracy now. It's a joke that RW protests..
They HATE democracy as they have made clear over and over for the last fifty years! They are also responsible for all the mass graves their RW dictators killed hundreds of thousands of LEFTISTS. It's really hard to feel sorry for them. Especially when they have the CIA and State Department helping them. It's so phoney!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:10 AM
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8. Bolivia's timeline, as arranged by the BBC:
Last Updated: Friday, 9 November 2007, 09:40 GMT

Timeline: Bolivia
A chronology of key events:

~snip~
Military coups

1952 - Peasants and miners overthrow military regime; Victor Paz Estenssoro returns from exile to become president and introduces social and economic reforms, including universal suffrage, nationalisation of tin mines and land redistribution, and improves education and the status of indigenous peoples.

1964 - Vice-President Rene Barrientos stages military coup.

1967 - US helps suppress peasant uprising led by Ernesto "Che" Guevara, who is killed after being betrayed by peasants.

1969 - Vice-President Siles Salinas replaces Barrientos who is killed in plane crash, but Salinas is himself deposed by the army, which rules with increased severity.

1971 - Col Hugo Banzer Suarez comes to power after staging military coup.

1974 - Banzer postpones elections and bans political and trade union activity in the wake of an attempted coup.

1980 - General Luis Garcia stages coup after inconclusive elections; US and European countries suspend aid in view of allegations of corruption and drug trafficking.

1981 - General Celso Torrelio Villa replaces Garcia, who is forced to resign.

1982 - Torrelio resigns as the economy worsens; military junta hands over power to civilian administration led by Siles Zuazo, who heads a leftist government.

1983 - US and European countries resume aid following the introduction of austerity measures.

Democracy and economic collapse

1985 - Siles resigns in the wake of a general strike and an attempted coup; elections held but are inconclusive; parliament chooses Paz Estenssoro as president.

1986 - Twenty-one thousand miners lose their jobs following the collapse of the tin market.

1989 - Leftist Jaime Paz Zamora becomes president and enters power-sharing pact with former dictator Hugo Banzer.

1990 - Some 4 million acres of rainforest allocated to indigenous peoples.

1993 - Banzer withdraws from the presidential race, which is won by Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada.

1997 - Banzer elected president.

1998 - Banzer tells the United Nations that he is committed to freeing Bolivia from drugs before the end of his term in 2002.

1999 - Encouraged by moves to prosecute former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, opposition demands inquiry into Banzer's role during the repression of the 1970s.

2000 - Banzer announces the almost total eradication of the coca plant in the Chapare jungle region.

2001 January - Government declares almost half of Bolivia a natural disaster area following heavy rains.


Banzer dies

2001 8 August - Vice-President Jorge Quiroga sworn in as president, replacing Hugo Banzer who is suffering from cancer. He dies in May 2002.

2001 December - Farmers reject a government offer of $900 each a year in exchange for the eradication of the coca crop used to produce cocaine.

2002 August - Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada wins a clear victory in a National Congress run-off vote and becomes president for a second time. His rival, coca growers' representative Evo Morales, leads a strengthened opposition.

2003 February - More than 30 killed in violent protests against proposed income tax. President Sanchez de Lozada withdraws the proposal.

2003 September-October - 80 killed, hundreds injured in protests fuelled by government plans to export natural gas via Chile. President Sanchez de Lozada resigns under pressure of protests and is succeeded by Carlos Mesa.

Energy protests

2004 April - President Mesa signs natural gas export deal with Argentina. Opponents say deal pre-empts referendum on gas exports planned for July. Protesters take to streets, demand president's resignation.

2004 July - Referendum on gas exports: Voters back greater state involvement in the industry and approve exports of the resource.

2004 August - Landmark deal signed to allow Bolivia to export gas via a Peruvian port.

2005 January - Rising fuel prices trigger large-scale anti-government protests and blockades in Santa Cruz, the country's largest and wealthiest city, and in El Alto, near La Paz.

Civic and business leaders in Santa Cruz push for autonomy for the province.

2005 March - President Mesa submits his resignation, blaming protests which he says have made it impossible to govern. Congress rejects the offer, as well as a later request by the president for early elections, and Mr Mesa remains in office.

2005 May - Protests over energy resources bring La Paz, and government business, to a near standstill. President Mesa promises a rewritten constitution and a referendum on autonomy demands from resource-rich provinces.

Socialists in power

2005 June - As angry street protests continue, President Mesa resigns. Supreme Court head Eduardo Rodriguez is sworn in as caretaker president.

2005 December - Socialist leader Evo Morales wins presidential elections. He becomes the first indigenous Bolivian to take office.
(snip/...)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1218814.stm
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:24 AM
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9. Why would anybody shoot a rightwing student in a demo?
"Interior Minister Alfredo Rada said it was unclear who had fired the shot."

------------------------

Since we don't know who did it, we can use it as a rorschach test for north Americans, as to our knowledge and understanding of South American history, and of current conditions and politics, with Bush in the White House. Which answer do you think will turn out to be correct?

Why would anybody shoot a rightwing student in a demo?

A. Evo Morales is a "dictator." Evo Morales is a "dictator." Evo Morales is a "dictator."

B. The rightwing in Santa Cruz is notoriously violent. The person who got shot was threatening or inflicting violence; some young cop got nervous and scared, and pulled the trigger.

C. The rightwing in Santa Cruz is allied with the Bush Junta and with rightwing paramilitary death squads from Colombia. They shot someone at random as a destabilization tactic, and to get headlines in local and U.S. corporate news monopoly press, in a campaign to make it appear that the disorder is caused by the poor majority in Bolivia, who want to seize the property of the rich, guillotine them all and impose a "dictatorship of the proletariat." A re-write of the Constitution, to repair decades and centuries of minority rightwing rule and brutal oppression-- including massive theft of Bolivia's resources by global corporate predators--is thus made to seem a violent act, rather than a normal, peaceful, democratic process, and the best way to achieve social justice.

D. The Bush-CIA did it for them. They often write corporate news monopoly headlines. They also often create the subject matter that they write the headlines about.

--------------------

I favor C and D. It was probably the Bush-CIA providing the funds to purchase gunman, weapon, and disappearance of the gunman, probably in league with a local rightwing drugs/weapons trafficking network connected to the rightwing political establishment in Santa Cruz.

Who benefits?--is the question to ask. And Deep Throat's famous advice, "Follow the money," is as relevant now as it ever was. The Bushites and their local colluders want to create anger and disorder, to destabilize the leftist government, and blockade its plans, so that they can continue looting and impoverishing Bolivia, as before.

Ever see that old '60s cartoon "Bambi Meets Godzilla"? It's about ten seconds long. Squish! That's how Bushites and their local fascist allies in South America see things in their dreams. They want to squish all the "little people" as quickly as possible and restore fascist/corporate rule.

The real story--and the reality they viscerally hate and want to change--is more like "David and Goliath." The Davids in Bolivia won the last election, after they threw Bechtel out of their country. (Bechtel had privatized the water in one Bolivian city, in collusion with the corrupt rightwing minority, and jacked up the prices to the poorest of the poor, even charging poor people for collecting rainwater. The grass roots rebellion against that oppression spurred the political organization that elected Morales as president.) Now the Goliaths--U.S. global corporate predators, Bechtel, Exxon Mobile, the World Bank et al--also the U.S. "war on drugs" war profiteers--and the local rich who collude with these entities--want to split off the rural provinces that contain all the oil, gas, mineral and other rich Bolivian resources, so that only the rich will profit from them.

Evo Morales, with a mandate from the people, is leading a process of constitutional re-writing, that is trying to hold peaceful meetings all over Bolivia, with maximum participation, to better balance the power in Bolivia, so that every citizen has a say, and all benefit from the country's resources. The rightwing in Santa Cruz is trying to sabotage this process with violent protests and disruption. They don't want a balance of power in Bolivia. They want all the power.

Over the years, this rightwing elite has grabbed all the land in Bolivia, and has driven millions of poor peasant farmers off their land and into urban squalor in the cities. Now they don't want to pay for that theft (and its associated brutality) by sharing the country's resources with the impoverished population that they created. Like the rich elite in Venezuela, they have failed to provide even the decencies to the exploited poor--schools, training, medical care, water and sanitation infrastructure, dignified housing, hope for upward mobility. Nor have they protected the country's resources and environment, and its work force, from savage exploitation by multi-national corporations. Nor have they developed the country's manufacturing base, and protected its nascent industries, and taken other good government measures, such as encouraging and protecting food self-sufficiency.

The poor have had it. The poor in Bolivia. The poor throughout South America. Remarkably, they are NOT guillotining this greedy, thuggish elite--with its traitorous alliances with the likes of Bush. They are peacefully pursuing FAIRNESS.

And this has the Bushites stymied. The poor pursuing FAIRNESS are winning elections all over South America. And in three countries--Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador--they are re-writing the rules, in order to achieve a fair and rightful voice for the majority, widespread benefit from rich natural resources, and better planning for the future (homegrown "fair trade" industries, regional cooperation, rejection of U.S. control of their governments and economies). This is what these constitutional rewrites are about--FAIRNESS. Bolivia's rich elite is trying to twist the process around into UNFAIRNESS, by insisting that the political center of the country be moved from La Paz--where most of the poor are located--to Santa Cruz (Sucre), a sparsely populated rural area, where the rich own all the land, and where they can better bribe and corrupt the government. (It reminds me of early California history, when the capital of California was moved from urban San Francisco to rural Sacramento. Same reason, too--so the rich landowners could control the government.)

But there is a lot more at stake than just this. The movement of the capitol is just a tactic in a much bigger picture of U.S.-dominated global trade and finance, in which South America's poor have been among the biggest losers.

At stake is World Bank/IMF financing (first world loan sharks in poor countries), and World Bank/IMF policy which inflicts destruction of social programs (education, medical care, etc.), sweatshop labor (no labor protection), easing of environmental regulation, and all sorts of other dreadful conditions for World Bank loans, which enrich FIRST WORLD investors at the expense of the poor.

At stake is the multi-billion dollar U.S. "war on drugs" boondoggle (and rightwing militarization in these countries).

At stake is the fate of the dollar. (The Bolivarians want a South American "Common Market," and common currency, to compete with the behemoth to the north, and stop the bleeding of South American riches into U.S. and other first world hands.)

At stake, ultimately, is control over South American governments, resources, money policy, labor, the environment, you name it. And the poor are fighting back, in the best way possible, peacefully and democratically.

Here is a very interesting article on the things our corporate press never tells us. It's about Venezuela's economy--but you can extrapolate to Bolivia. Similar conditions and needs, and the impacts of U.S. policy, are true throughout the Andes region, and, in a variety of ways, throughout Latin America.

The Struggle to Industrialize Venezuela
October 5th 2007, by Chris Carlson – Venezuelanalysis.com
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2689

Find out WHY Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales and Rafael Correa (Ecuador) are so popular. It's a very enlightening article. It's not just because they believe in providing immediate assistance to the poor. There is another component to it.

It's about the neglect of the country's infrastructure and manufacturing capability by the fascist elites who have ruled for so long, under Washington DC's thumb, and what the Bolivarian Revolution is doing to reverse this economic damage in Venezuela (and, by extension, what Morales and Correa are trying to do).

This is really what is at issue. Will these countries be making their own stuff, or importing U.S. stuff and killing their own economies and continuing to impoverish 90% of their own people?

How can this long history of exploitation and neglect be reversed peacefully and democratically--but also QUICKLY and without major trauma to anyone (say, like that which occurred in Russia, where they did "guillotine" the rich)?

And, as these countries determine to make their own stuff, and create their own economic networks and alliances, what kind of economic structure, laws and rules will be best for the most people--the workers, small business?

-----------------------------------

To get back to my question: Why would anybody shoot a rightwing student in a demo? If it wasn't a random thing--a lone nut, or a nervous policeman, or some private matter--who benefits?

Also, the exact same tactic--shooting people and setting it up to look like the leftist government did it--was used in Venezuela in 2002, in the U.S.-supported rightwing military coup. It's on tape--the whole thing--and the exposure of what was really going down. See "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" (Irish filmmakers documentary of the Venezuelan coup attempt, available at YouTube and axisoflogic.com.)

It was also used RECENTLY in Venezuela--when our corporate press reported that Chavista students were shooting rightwing student protesters--but the exact opposite was happening. They got their headline. And the truth was then dropped out of the news.

The same forces are at work, and the same things are at stake (billions and billions and billions of dollars), in Bolivia. You think the Bush-CIA wouldn't set this up? That's the question that needs asking. Was it set up? Who set it up? But it will never be asked here. Cuz the shooting--whoever did it--suits the Bushites' and the fascists purposes. Democracy is violent. Fairness is violent. The people writing and voting on their Constitution is violent. The poor seeking their rightful place in the political life of their countries is violent. Public control of a country's natural resources is violent. And democratically elected leftwing leaders are "dictators."
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:57 PM
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10. I agree with your view on C and D. Who WOULD benefit? Of course the right-wing oligarchy, in trying
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 12:57 PM by Judi Lynn
to destabilize the government the people finally got a chance to elect, throwing it back into their own bloody hands.

This twisted, murderous strategy has already been committed to paper, and signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Northwoods Operation, back in the 1960's, as discovered by James Bamford through the FOIA:
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."
(snip)

The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba (sic)."
(snip)

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.
(snip/...)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=92662&page=1

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As you mentioned, it has already been done in Venezuela, with the last time being only a couple of weeks ago. You may recall reading a published transcript of a phone conversation between two opposition members as they discussed entering a new stage of opposition operations against the Chavez government, in which they will be using the college kids for their front people, for a change of pace, since all their previous attempts have failed spectacularly in the eyes of their own countrymen/women, and they have lost considerable "face." Dragging the college kids into it, finally, at this stage, and you note that they've been used in two different applications, while the elders stayed in the background, was the subject matter of the phone call, in which they also mentioned that it would cause some real world-class attention to their events if someone got killed. Yep, killed. It was exposed and examined some time ago. Sounds like the very same idea, doesn't it?

Your article, "The Struggle to Industrialize Venezuela" is something any serious DU'er will want to study. Really, REALLY great. It makes it very clear that all progress gained from here on out, once the industrialization gets underway, will be hated more than anything on earth by the Venezuelan oligarchy, as it will be showing the world exactly what they've been doing in Venezuela to hold their power, and to keep the poor subjugated and powerless.

A complete transformation is in the works. I can't wait to see it, if they don't finally find a way to utterly destroy this Bolivarian administration! I hope that it's already too far well planned, and underway for that to be possible now.

Thank you so much for posting that article.
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