Obama campaign cites Nevada vote irregularities

[rayofreason]

Source: Breitbart.com

US Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign on Sunday said that it had received reports of voting irregularities in Nevada's nominating caucuses, which were won by rival Hillary Clinton.

Spokesmen for Obama's campaign told reporters that a Clinton party handout urged registration lines for the caucuses Saturday to close at 11:30 am, whereas state party rules said anyone in line until 12:00 pm was to be allowed to participate.

"Despite clear rules and timelines laid out by the Nevada Democratic Party that caucus doors should remain open and voter registration should continue until noon, the Clinton campaign encouraged their operatives to close the caucus doors at 11:30 am, a half hour before that deadline," said spokesman Bill Burton.

"This caused confusion and led to people leaving the caucuses before having the chance to participate."

Read more: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080120230437.zyjekftq&show_article=1

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It is starting to get nasty. Not a good sign.

[still_one]

1. The caucuses process itself is one of intimidation. It is about time it was eliminated

Ballots should be secret and counted, not public

[MNDemNY]

2. whaaaaaaaa

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Zueda]

5. Are you insane?

No matter who you support this type of voter suppression should not be taken lightly.

[MNDemNY]

7. tis crap.

[Zueda]

13. I made no mention of your brain contents...

I asked "Are you insane?"

[Kittycat]

9. No kidding. This was bad for Edward's Supporters as well as Obama's

I read one post yesterday where Edwards was short 1 person, in order to move forward. 1 person makes a difference!

My god this site is really making me ill, with all the Clinton supporters in favor of voter disenfranchisement. Nothing but worthless DLC repugs they are.

[sunonmars]

11. so Obama's union supporters strong arming workers

and saying "they will sort these people out when we get back to our respective hotels" is not despicable.

[Zueda]

18. Is that based on a quote from a known liar?

And even if it was true...it's not the same. The Clinton's themsleves are involved in shutting the doors early.

[sunonmars]

20. No actually its what was said to workers in one of the hotels

[Kittycat]

25. And how is Obama responsible for that?

[McCamy Taylor]

32. How is Hillary responsible for this thread? "Hillary is a B Word" the MSM lie makes her responsible?

I am getting sick to death of the Obama people taking advantage of the corporate media's distortions and lies. The MSM painted Edwards as a phony and then painted Edwards as invisible and Obama as anointed, which is how Obama got this far. Do not fool yourselves. Obama got really lucky. Had the MSM painted Obama as invisible or as fringe or as radical, he would be nowhere right now. They have painted Hillary as a bitch, witch with super powers beyond those that any human being could possibly possess--- and the Obama supporters swallow every lie and then do everything they can to perpetuate the media smear.

Now the corporate media is attacking Obama, laying out the early ground work for its "Obama is a Black Muslim" campaign. What will you do now? Blame Hillary, the bride of Satan with supernatural powers? Face it, some of you guys have been suckered by the corporate elite. You have and are being used to divide the Democratic Party that should be united in the face of

1. Bush's War

2. Bush's Recession

3. Bush's Wealth Disparity

4. Bush's Crimes Against the Constitution

5. Bush's Crimes Against the Environment

6. Bush's Crimes Against Humanity

It is nice to have young, independent people involved in politics, but if you are going to wade into this cesspool, it is up to you to take a crash course in how it works. Some of us have been studying this process since we were in grade school. Do not believe what you think you hear or see, because that is some corporate media con man selling you a bunch of lies.

End of rant. Sorry, but this thread just got on my last nerve. How can we blame Congress for not impeaching Cheney when we can not even work constructively together?

[karynnj]

39. I've always been impressed with your media posts, but I think you are wrong here

It is clear that this was not a clean election.
1) There was a law suit filed in the last week and it was designed to disenfranchise people. People, who ended up giving HRC part of her victory margin! It was filed after Obama got the union endorsement by people with provable links to the Clintons.

2) The Taylor Marsh, then Bill Clinton accusations of union coercion need to be investigated. The TM one appears to be hot air - there was nothing there. The results fly in the face of what you would expect if there was coercion.

3) If they did close the door a half an hour early, it should be easily provable. If they did it, the question was whether it was just the Clinton allies.

Your conclusion - to blame Obama is unfair. It was Bill Clinton who created two public scenes and tried to brand Obama for voter suppression and other actions. At minimum, why NOT mention both.

PS: Many of us aren't kids.

[karynnj]

38. That does not appear to have occured

Look at the results, HRC won those districts. I do not doubt that there could have been isolated examples where individuals were out of line, but given the results it couldn't have been pervasive.

Not to mention the law suit and Bill Clinton's lies about it are provable. It seems to be a Rovian accuse them of what you are intending to do.

[maryallen]

28. Juvenile responses are getting old .... fast.

Maybe Romper Room or Sesame Street would be a better destination ...

[1monster]

31. No, Romper Room and Sesame Street (and Barney, too) always stressed GOOD MANNERS and COURTESY.

Two things that are seriously missing on DU these days.

Reminds me of an old AOL board I used to love. It was invaded by one or two disrupters and all hell broke loose. Not long afterward, most of the long time posters were gone and the disrupters had the board to themselves. That wasn't fun, so they did seaches on the posters names to find the boards the long time posters had migrated to and began the process all over again.

Most of those long time posters don't post on AOL message boards anymore.

Three guesses as to the politcal leanings of both groups and the first two don't count.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. "We bin robbed!!"

They seem to running kind of a amateur campaign lately.

[Kittycat]

12. Oh my god - you need to change your title.

[AX10]

16. I am done with the Obamites feigning outrage over...

everything that is said about him.

[boricua79]

34. as opposed to the more sophisticated one of tampering with a primary's

process...like the Clintons.

[ccpup]

4. guess this will go on their steaming pile of disappointment

and dashed dreams, right along with "she stole NH" (although the vote recount is proving otherwise).

A lot can be told about someone by how they handle disappointment and loss. Great Leaders accept the disappointment and move on to the next race, head held high. Those who pretend to be Great Leaders search for excuses, make accusations and complain that they lost.

America needs a Great Leader, not a Poseur.

[kevsand]

10. So Al Gore was a "poseur," then?

And Kerry was right to fold up the tents and go home, ignoring the advice of the "poseur" Edwards? I just want to be sure that I understand your position here. Your definition of a "Great Leader" seems to imply that no election, no matter what the circumstances, should ever be questioned, and that any calls for election reform or transparency in the democratic process are always just poses.

[ccpup]

15. Gore fought until the USSC stepped in

and Kerry ... well, yeah. He folded up his tent pretty quickly in Ohio and headed home. I still wish he would have fought a lot harder to prove voting malfeasance in Ohio.

If Obama can't handle a devastating loss in NV -- WITH the all-powerful Culinary Union on his side -- or a loss in NH that's being proven by recount to have been exactly what it was (a loss for him) without complaining and making what turn out to be baseless allegations, then he has a lot of growing as a national politician to do.

His rhetorically stirring speeches aren't enough. America wants answers, not inspiring messages of Hope that at the end of the day aren't going to put food on the table or help them find work. And as they see Obama make the same speech again and again -- long on rhetoric, short on details --, they decide not to vote for him. End of story.

All because Oprah says you can be President doesn't mean you're entitled to the position. And sometimes a loss isn't nefarious. It's just a loss.

Or, as my 17 year old niece would say, "they just weren't that into you"

[kevsand]

30. You're going to have to forgive me...

...but you really seem to be contradicting yourself here. Please help me to understand when your definition of a "Great Leader" dictates that both Gore and Obama should never have fought at all, just like Kerry didn't, but then you turn around and defend Gore and complain about Kerry. Why was it wrong for Kerry to "accept the disappointment," while simultaneously right for Gore (but wrong for Obama) to "make accusations" when both positions are the exact inverse of your definition of leadership?

To be fair, I'm unaware of any direct statements by the Obama campaign itself regarding NH; maybe I just missed them. But I'm pretty sure they haven't said anything at all about it since the commencement of the recounts, which I think are still ongoing.

Also, there seem to be eyewitness accounts that suggest wrongdoing by supporters of both campaigns in NV. Should we just pretend that stuff like that never happens, and smile blithely as we whistle on down the road in happy denial?

If somebody's screwing with elections, I don't care whose campaign it is, I want to know about it and see it corrected. In America, that is supposed to include punishment for law breakers. I would have thought that was something everyone at DU could agree with, particularly in light of 2000 and 2004.

[Abacus]

22. Delusional

Obama never claimed stolen votes, a handful of supporters did -- I believe a majority of us thought it was very unlikely. However, I'll never turn down a recount, if only to restore faith in the voting process.

A lot can be told about someone by how they handle disappointment and loss.

How quickly the Clinton Tantrum Machine (CTM) seems to have been forgotten... Unlike the CTM, Obama is pointing out specific instances and providing evidence. The CTM makes broad accusations without providing support and leaves the media to sort it out. Details never emerge to back up their accusations, but Bill knows that it's only the headlines that matter. I'm thoroughly disgusted.

Can anyone provide me an Obama quote about the LBJ/MLK issue besides this one?
"Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark,
about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn't make the statement. I haven't
remarked on it, and she, I think, offended some folks who felt that
somehow diminished King's role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act.
She is free to explain that, but the notion that somehow this is our
doing is ludicrous."

[EFerrari]

24. The Obama campaign never claimed that. Election reform activists

called for a recount because we know how screwed up our elections are and there were enough anamolies to raise legitimate questions.

Today, Obama still has two more delegates than Clinton, anyway. What the hell does the Obsma campaign have to be disappointed about.

What utter cr@p.

[boricua79]

36. "great leaders" let others pull fast ones on them

and great leaders say, "hey, the rules said 12:00...but fuck it...why not? Close it at 11:30...wouldn't want to jeapardize my "great leader" status".

[AX10]

6. Bullshit!

Everytime Obama loses, he and his surrogates will claim fraud.
Obama and company are as repulsive as Bush and company.

[ccpup]

17. 'tis a pattern, it seems

perhaps 'Bama ain't ready for the Big Time

[tabatha]

21. When has he claimed fraud before?

He did NOT after New Hampshire.
How can you tell that his irregularities claims are bogus?
Have you examined them?

Can Clinton claim irregularities and Obama not?

Are you really an open-minded liberal or a mud-slinging conservative?

[sunonmars]

8. They are in danger making themselves look sore losers bigtime

They need to tone this down

If I was Hillary, I'd call him out tonight

I'd say clearly,

When I won in NH, your campaign inplied I'd rigged the ballot, Not True and the recount proves it.

When I won in Michigan, your campaign said 40% came out against me, when i won with 55%.

When I won in Nevada, you said i fixed the caucus, when it was your campaign that was strong arming people in hotels.

When you won in Iowa, I graciously conceded defeat, why cant your campaign do the same.

Why can you not accept defeat and be gracious about it.

[AX10]

14. Obama is just like Bush in 2000.

He even gets the blind adoration and a free pass from the media.

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[Pathwalker]

37. You don't get to decide who "belongs" on DU.

Are you a Mod? Skinner? No. Next, you'll be claiming only Hillary supporters throw insults.

[tabatha]

23. bogus claims

"When I won in NH, your campaign inplied I'd rigged the ballot, Not True and the recount proves it."

He never said that - did you watch the last debate - where he said that Clinton ran a better campaign?

He said nothing after Michigan.

Please don't say his claims are bogus when clearly what you are saying is bogus and made up out of whole cloth.

Is this DU or Freeperville?

[Windy]

19. Voter suppression cannot be tolerated in any form! I don't give a damn who's doing it!

Are we not democrats? What is wrong with you people.

[cloudythescribbler]

26. It's not a matter of "feigning outrage"; if there WERE voting irregs, they should be spotlit nt

[cloudythescribbler]

27. It's not a matter of "feigning outrage"; if there WERE voting irregs, they should be spotlit nt

[boricua79]

33. Where's the Clinton apologists now?

Clinton campaign engaging in Rovian, vote-tampering tactics?

What a disgrace...

[joeglow3]

35. This is all starting to make me cynical

How much of this is true? It appears whatever side loses a given primary is pulling this card. I just don't want the public to become desensitized and complacent.

[Nashyra]

40. Just as many complaints from HRC

I was in Churchill County as the overseer. There were just as many complaints from the HRC people as the Obama people. I spent the last 2 months tirelessly training the temp chairs. One of my temp chairs thought he was supposed to close the doors at 11:30 and he was an Obama supporter. The NV state party wholly underestimated the turn out and the volunteers were overwhelmed. Both campaigns tried to take advantage of this. I have documentation of paid Obama staffers entering the caucus area and being the mouth piece to bring undecided and Edwards supporters over to Obama while it is clearly against the rule.

Volunteers that were confused or poorly trained were part of the problem. For over a year we have been trying to recruit volunteers for caucus day, we had quite a few of last minute folks join thank god but they were not as well prepared as they should have been. The caucus was a first time event in NV and we did quite well considering. In the last 4 mos of putting on Mock Caucuses the only group that had a tendency to be over zealous was the Obama group. In addition we begged the campaigns to have their volunteers help us staff the caucus sites but the Obama group wanted their folks to go directly in and be part of the group instead of signing folks in. My experience was that the HRC campaign did send folks to the state volunteer corp, the Obama folks were pissed off that they did not get to come in early and set up. There was NEVER any consideration given to letting anyone in early. There was to be no campaigning, signs etc in the caucus area this was a rule broken by both campaigns. There was enough misbehavior by both campaigns.

I don't think it is a wise thing for the Obama folks to be doing this kind of mudslinging. I was engaged with all the campaigns prior to the caucus, there will always be over zealous volunteers, but the fact that paid staff that had been told what the rules were and then took advantage of the massive crowds is just as indefensible as anything the Obama folks are slinging. this needs to stop and those of you who have absolutely no knowledge of our system should just cut the crap and the insinuations. The NV State Democratic Party worked their rears off to bring this caucus off and the winners are the Democrats of NV. I'm tired of this BS, it's childish. If the voters in NV want a primary than they can go to the legislature and have them change it, but how many tax payers want to pay for a primary? The State Parties pay for the entire cost of the caucus.

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