UK top cop who led CIA probe found dead

[Truth2Tell]

Source: Yahoo News

By ROB HARRIS, Associated Press Writer
Tue Mar 11, 2:45 PM ET

MANCHESTER, England - A city police chief who led an investigation into charges that Britain cooperated with secret CIA flights to transport terrorism suspects without formal proceedings has been found dead, his deputy said Tuesday.

Manchester Chief Constable Michael Todd, 50, was found dead in Snowdonia, about 240 miles northwest of London, Deputy Chief Constable Dave Whatton said. He had been missing since going out for a walk Monday during his day off.

Whatton said the body, which was found Tuesday afternoon, had not yet been formally identified but he believed it was Todd.

He said a coroner's inquest would investigate the cause of death and did not give any further details.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_re_eu/britain_police_death

[Taverner]

1. Anyone who thinks this is anything other than a CIA hit is deluded

BTW...they are already suggesting it was suicide.

Funny how Bush's critics all end up committing suicide - James Hetfield for one.

[Captain Angry]

11. A few things.

1: It's Hatfield. James Hetfield is the guitarist/lead singer for the band Metallica.

2: If Bush's critics all ended up committing suicide, this site's performance would be way better.

[jazzjunkysue]

27. I'm going out for a while. Cover me.

When a policeman needs a security team to take a walk in his neighborhood, it's not pickpockets.

This is a CIA specialty: Suiciding people. Just not Sadam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden. They couldn't get those two.

[Divine Discontent]

50. please jazzjunkysue

walk in a group! I know most of us our low level interest to the bad people, but still, I don't trust rove and the shadow govt as long as he/they're among us...

[Codedonkey]

79. Oh come on...

Unless you have anything or hold some sort of power that could cause certain thugs problems, then they ain't gonna come get you...

Skinner on the other hand has a huge bounty on his head, me bets. :P

[superkia]

34. Strange things seem to happen allot dont they? I'm sure there are more.

Fresh doubts were raised over the suicide of Dr David Kelly after it emerged that no fingerprints were found on the knife he supposedly used to kill himself.

The scientist was found dead in woodland near his home in Southmoor, Oxfordshire, in July 2003 after becoming trapped at the centre of a vicious war of words between the Government and the BBC.

His death came days after he was unmasked as the source of a Today programme report alleging Labour had 'sexed up' a dossier outlining the case for war in Iraq.

The document had famously claimed that Saddam Hussein could launch a nuclear or biological weapons strike on Britain within 45 minutes.

Independent doctors have pointed to discrepancies in the post-mortem examination results.They say neither the cut to Dr Kelly's wrist nor the drugs he took were enough to kill him.Friends and relatives said the doctor had shown no suicidal tendencies, and had been looking forward to his daughter's wedding.

Or
Rep. Paul Gillmor

An Arlington County sheriff’s deputy, speaking on condition of anonymity because he is not permitted to speak with the press, told Pajamas Media that “the Congressman’s death was from natural causes.” When asked if it was a heart attack, the deputy replied “something like that.”

A private investigator said to be hired by people close to Rep. Paul Gillmor told Big Head DC in an interview Saturday that “there is clear evidence of foul play and intense pressure on locals to keep quiet about the facts of the murder.”

Gillmor died unexpectedly last week after receiving a blunt force blow to his head in his Arlington residence.

He added that two medical examiners ruled Gillmor’s death a heart attack early on, which was widely reported in the press. However, they were soon forced to change their ruling to “death by blunt injury” after a colleague threatened to go public will full medical examination results. It is now being speculated in the press that Gillmor tripped and fell down a staircase in his home.

Nixon said that Gillmor told him he discovered a “type of swindle set to take place in the stock markets later this month — and he was planning to go public with the information.”

[melody]

59. Jimmy Hetfield buried my grandmother's spoons in his yard and went on to start Metallica

It's Hatfield -- but I agree with you anyway.

[ORDagnabbit]

2. how odd. n/t

[DemocratInSoCal]

3. They're Going To "Investigate" Cause Of Death

I'm SUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRE they'll get to the bottom of this.

[Joe Chi Minh]

35. Another more extraordinary and expeditious rendition than the customary one?

[Lars39]

4. The old "out for a walk" and end up dead routine, huh.

Can't get much for a used tinfoil hat on eBay anymore.

[Ian David]

5. He went out for a walk to clean his gun and it went off twice by accident?

I'm just guessing.

[louis-t]

15. Shot himself in the back with a speargun?

Not another one!

[mikelewis]

66. Did ya ever hear of Terrence Yeaky? Best suicide story ever...

According to the report, Terry slashed himself eleven times on both forearms before cutting his own throat twice near the jugular vein. Then, apparently seeking even a more private place to die, he crawled another mile of rough terrain away from his car and climbed a fence, before shooting himself in the head with a small caliber revolver. What appeared to be rope burns on his neck, handcuff bruises to his wrists, and muddy grass imbedded in his slash wounds strongly indicated that he had some help in traversing this final distance.

The bullet's entrance wound was in the right temple, above the eye. It went through the policeman's head and exited in the area of the left cheek, near the bottom of the ear lobe line. The trajectory was from a 40-45 degree angle above his head. There were no powder burns. No weapon was ever reported as found at the scene, but independent investigators speculated that had Yeakey shot himself with standard police issue - a Glock 9mm or a .357 Magnum - his head would have been far more destroyed than it apparently was.

One of the last people Officer Yeakey talked to was a friend who knew he was on a mission of private investigation. Terry had told him that he was on his way to El Reno to check out something but first he had to shake the FBI agents who were following him. He was traveling in his private automobile, and witnesses said later that the inside looked like someone had "butchered a hog" on the front seat.

[newspeak]

71. Is officer Yeakey

the one who was doing a private investigation on the OKC bombing?

[louis-t]

77. Yikes!

[angstlessk]

6. he took drugs and cut his wrists with a dull knife just like that Kelly fellow

remember him? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2904789

[lisa58]

7. Wasn't Kelly "going for a walk"...

...when he was found dead?

[LisaM]

9. Yep! Just what I was thinking.

Apparently walking is dangerous to your health in England.

[Greyskye]

12. unless you're this guy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/aug/06/ruralaffairs.sillyseason

[Eric J in MN]

45. Me too. NT

NT

[Peace Patriot]

18. Yes, he was taking his usual afternoon stroll, sat down under a tree,

slit one minor artery and bled to death all night, out in the rain. So the official story goes. (Kelly was a top biochem scientist. This was not at all a likely way to kill yourself.)

Kelly was found dead a few days after he had been interrogated at a "safe house" and threatened with the "Official Secrets Act" (for telling the BBC, anonymously, that the Blairites had exaggerated the threat of Iraq WMDs in their prewar intel reports). The government then outed his name to the press, and sent him home without protection and apparently without surveillance.

Where were his watchers as he bled to death all night under a tree near his home? Surely they were watching him. Nobody, as far as I know--and certainly not the Hutton inquiry, which excluded paramedic testimony (among other things)--has ever asked this question. Where was his surveillance?

Kelly's body was discovered four days after Valerie Plame was outed. Plame outing: July 14, 2003. Kelly found dead: July 18, 2003. His office and computers were searched. And four days later, on July 22, 2003, Novak ADDITIONALLY outed the entire Brewster-Jennings WMD counter-proliferation network, by naming the front company in his newspaper column. Whatever covert CIA agents/contacts in foreign governments could not be identified and killed or disabled by association with her name, could be identified and killed or disabled by association with the name of the company. Personally, I think the connection (besides the Judith Miller close connection to David Kelly) is a Bush/Blair (probably Rumsfeld) scheme to plant WMDs in Iraq--a scheme that got foiled, and that Kelly stumbled upon, or perhaps even helped to foil. I think that's why he blew the whistle after the war was well under way (he had supported it), and why they killed him. There is reason to believe he knew more than he was saying. (There is evidence of it in the Hutton whitewash. For instance, on July 7, 2003, after Kelly was interrogated, Tony Blair was informed that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things." COULD say. Not HAD said. His rather mild whistleblowing had occurred in May. What was it, that they were worried about--nay, panicked about--that Kelly "could" say?)

[Truth2Tell]

20. I agree w/you PP

I also think this is tangentially the story Siebel Edmonds stumbled upon.

For many years we have allowed/enabled Pakistan, A.Q Khan, and CIA helpers to sell nuke technology to a variety of regimes in order to provide a pretext for invasion/occupation.

[defendandprotect]

43. Agree re Kelly/Miller/Plame connection . . .

And obviously there would have been a plan to plant WMD to some degree ---
There were reports that an original planting team was murdered --- 75 men?
And that there was a second attempt which also failed ---
Had Plame's operation stayed in place, they might have come across this?

[Ghost Dog]

61. The paramedics told reporters they found the site already

crawling with paramilitary and/or special police types. The body appeared to have been moved.

[krkaufman]

39. Yes. "jesus god, another one taken out..!" was the thought flashing through ...

... my head as soon as I read that this guy was last seen heading out for a walk. Just like Kelly.

Certainly could be a coincidence. But yikes!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

44. Deja vu? They just know nobody will stop them. They're horrible.

[SquireJons]

8. England is becoming a scary place

Lots of people are ending up dead if they speak out over there. When, exactly did they go fascist? It's so odd... when Bill C. was prez, they were heading in the right direction on all fronts. Now they seem to be on the dark side. Cheney must have convinced Blair that he was his faaather.

[yardwork]

30. The world is a scary place. And lots of folks have died in the U.S., too.

This is really bad.

[krkaufman]

40. "lots of people"?

David Kelly
Michael Todd (this guy)
???

[Divine Discontent]

49. only in America it seems to be plane accidents

JFK JR, a future president if he wanted to do it, he was the essence of charisma, charm, and intellect. Senator Paul Wellstone in 2002, another anti-war stalwart who could influence. And sorry, but I don't recall seeing where any of their people accidentally die, just shot in the face, or caught in the bathroom giving BJ's to cops...

There are others, but why don't you do some research too, I gave you two more. Again, where are the deaths of GOP figures who pushed for this war? It's only people who are working against them. And, again, you only do a hit when it's not going to be figured out... I'm sure they'd love to do more, but they haven't got the circumstances on the others just yet. Taking small planes is a classic way to do it, as is taking a walk out in the middle of nowhere...

[krkaufman]

54. Ok, not (my impression of) lots... a handful.

... but I'm right there with you. Wellstone always pops to mind.

Wellstone was beginning to pull away in the MN Senate race in Fall 2002, largely based on his anti-war position (and even Mary Landriex in LA was getting traction by following his lead), and Wellstone was a voice around which an anti-war movement could have held some ground in the Senate.

Same election in 2002... Mel Carnahan died in a plane crash, before the election -- though his corpse still managed to defeat John Ashcroft for the Senate seat, in the general election, to which Carnahan's wife was appointed.

Enough Senate seats were lost in 2002, though, for the Senate to return to the control of the Republicans.

Others that come to mind... former CIA director Casey, due to testify regarding Iran/Contra, mysterious suffers a stroke and loses power of speech; and then there's The Big Bopper, Buddy Holly and Richie Valens. Grrr... ;)

[Divine Discontent]

55. see, there's a few more, thanks! And poor Bopper! EOM

[melody]

60. Bill Colby, too n/t

[GliderGuider]

72. John Kokal, State Department

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112003_kokal.html

[Kutjara]

51. The UK has become a surveillance/police state.

It's the major reason I left two years ago after living there for 23 years.

The average Londoner is captured on CCTV film 300 times per day. Parliament abolished the right to silence under police questioning. Failure to produce your computer password when requested by the police is a criminal offense (forgetting it is not a defense). You can be placed under investigation for a range of offenses, and be forbidden to tell anyone that you're under investigation (including your family or lawyer) - breaching the gag order is itself an offense. A raft of new investigatory powers, including wiretapping, email interception, and Internet activity tracking, can be invoked at the behest of a senior police officer - no warrant required.

Yep, poor old Blighty is daily creeping closer to the country portrayed in the movie "V".

Put it this way, I came HERE to get away from all the crap. There's irony for you.

[Divine Discontent]

53. wow... you paint a bleak picture... thanks for being honest!

it sure sounds like V for Vendetta, doesn't it? Funnily enough, you came here to get away from all the crap, but all you did was fall for the false sense of freedom a majority of us Americans display, when what we really have is just governmental ignorance! LOL I jest, but really, I seriously hope the people will find a way to capture the evil-doers, they may have their day, but in the end, justice prevails, not "England", as the movie villains say.

I wish some of the most evil would jump off Beachy Head and save us the pitchforks.

[Kutjara]

56. I spent the best part of two decades...

...marching, protesting, organizing, voting, agitating, speechifying, writing, printing, rallying, begging and pleading on a huge range of issues in the UK. Each one was just a little erosion of cherished liberty, just a tiny diminution of sacred rights and freedoms that generations had died to secure. Each time, I endured endless ridicule from people who saw my anger as "petty" or my warnings as "hysterical." It was all a "storm in a teacup" and nothing to worry about. The people just handed away rights that, a generation or two before, they would have shed blood to defend. I guess they were too busy watching "Pop Idol" to notice.

When Thatcher destroyed the trade unions, it was nothing to worry about.
When Murdoch destroyed first print and, later, television journalism, it was nothing to worry about.
When the right to a jury trial was curtailed, it was nothing to worry about.
When the right to silence was abolished, it was nothing to worry about.
When warrant-less surveillance was enabled, it was nothing to worry about.
When the government lied the country into war, it was nothing to worry about.

The list goes on and on and on. In the end, all I had to show for 20 years' of work was high blood pressure and a low opinion of my fellow countrymen. Britain was unarguably worse-off in just about every way that matters (socially, environmentally, politically, culturally). The qualities that made the country and it's people unique and admirable have been submerged beneath a mountain of consumer goods, personal debt, and an obsession with house prices. Even the two major political parties, which have historically shared little if any common ground, are today virtual clones of each other. In short, Britain has become America-lite, a wannabe country that can't quite deliver the goods, and so ends up looking a bit foolish and pathetic.

[Divine Discontent]

64. well, bless your heart!

you changed minds, never doubt that! I understand leaving if it feels right, and I applaud you for doing what you felt was best. You have shown me that I shouldn't move there as I had wanted. If I do go overseas, it will obviously be with research. But, how can people there, and here, for that matter, allow their liberties that people died to make happen - just vanish! IGNORANCE I guess.

I guess Pop Idol may have done it, too. I still don't get Will Young by the way, I prefer Gareth. LOL OH, forgive me... Twas worth a laugh.

Here's to the people waking up. And, your list of things that have vanished over there, add another 4 to it, and send it to the papers over and over, and please PM me with the list and I promise to do the same.

Over time, I think I'll start figuring out America's 10 lost freedoms, which are obviously going to be similar.

[Peace Patriot]

85. Kutjara, protest for human and civil rights, and for justice and fairness, is never

never NEVER wasted. You may not see its results. You may die before things change. But you have no idea how many people you have touched, informed and heartened, and how many seeds you have planted that will grow in peoples' hearts--people you will never know. Sometimes it's enough for someone who is being oppressed just to know that others are aware of it, or just to hear it articulated. It gives them strength. And when big human rights struggles begin, people look back for precedents, for people like you who understood things at the beginning and spoke out and objected. You were an "early warner" of lost rights in England. When the fight of the English to recover their rights begins in earnest, some who win that fight will have been touched by you, some will remember, and some won't even know how the idea reached them that their rights had been eroded and destroyed.

Great democracy movements take TIME. Think how long it took for anyone to declare that "all men are created equal." And think of the centuries--the millennia--of human struggle and progress that went into that declaration, and how much more struggle there would have to be, before the phrase "all men" actually included everybody.

England and the U.S. have been in a very retrograde period--but I absolutely do not believe that it will last very much longer. I think it will take less than a decade to throw off the global corporate predators and their police state, who rule over us. You see how they treat us with kid gloves (as a whole), compared, say, to the Iraqis. They greatly fear us and our strong democratic and progressive traditions. They fear us so much in the U.S. that they have stolen our entire election system away from us, with their "trade secret" code electronic voting machines. They know who and what we would vote for. They know that we are potentially the most progressive force on earth--and the English people are as well, if not in numbers and wealth, most certainly in cultural influence. The gloves may come off. They've certainly put enough fascist "laws" in place to do anything they damn please. But I rather think that our precedents of human rights, equality, self-government and democracy will either stay their hands, as to the worse kinds of fascist excesses (out of fear of us), or cause them to move on (after they've thoroughly looted us) to more promising dictatorial venues (China, the Middle East), and we then might recover our rights in poverty and peace.

In any case, witness for justice and witness for peace, and protests for human and civil rights, ripple through society like waves, and never stop influencing people, until, one day, they arise and collectively reassert themselves. And these actions are so important to those who are currently oppressed. I can't tell you how important. Someone may hear of you and what you did and what you said in some far off country that you never heard of, and conceive the notion that he or she also has rights. Or people closer to home, who lack confidence to speak and stick up for themselves, may think about it years later, and it may change their lives in ways you will never know.

Even if you are ONE lonely protester, with ONE little homemade sign, who takes the trouble to go and stand on the street. If it's a good message, if it's just and true, it makes RIPPLES.

Do not despair of peoples' denseness or seeming deafness. Think of the human material that every great cause was made with. Flawed human material--full of fears and hesitations. Praise yourself for what did. Please do! And know that you not only did right, you did good. You are even doing good to ME, here, right now--informing me of the state of things in England and what you tried to do about it. I feel solidarity and sympathy. I feel not so alone as an American who has seen her own country go down the fascist drain. I feel heartened that you tried, and I feel also that you ARE England. Not the police there, or the cowed people. But YOU. You are the ambassador for the great traditions of labor rights, equality and justice, and "the commons" that were born there, and that influenced American democracy more than most of us would ever admit. The Round Table myths. And the Robin Hood myths. And the humanism of Shakespeare. And the Dickens stories of the noble poor. And the Tolkien tales of "Hobbits" confronting great evil. And the anti-slavery movement. And the struggle for women's rights and Virginia Woolf's "A Room of One's Own." And the women of Greenham Commons. And Monty Python's Flying Circus. Oh, how I loved those guys when I discovered them in the horrible Reagan '80s! England IS rebellion in the cause of human rights and of truth. And you are an expression of that great tradition. You are "V." You have not left England behind. You carry the best of it within you.

[peacetalksforall]

65. Perfect response. Perfect logic. Lots of sand, lots of buried heads.

And we're wearing the tin foil according to the 'don't want to know nothings'.

[Greyskye]

10. Move along

:sarcasm:

[JohnyCanuck]

13. I saw a link earlier today to a news item

about the unexpected death of this UK police chief on a Welsh mountain side, but it had no mention of his involvement in the CIA rendition flight investigation. At the time, I wondered what politically sensitive investigation or police matter we would find out later he had been involved with. Now I know.

[emad]

23. BBC Radio discussion today: retired UK cops involved in Jersey paedophilia

cover-ups in the Haut de la Garenne children's home 'panicking'.

Apparently there have been four separate investigations into child molestor rings on Jersey and Guernsey, plus police reviews of the original investigations.

Expect more cop suicides????

[Marie26]

14. Jumped off a cliff?

"One of Britain's most senior policemen has been found dead after apparently throwing himself off a cliff in Snowdonia."

Manchester police chief Michael Todd found dead at bottom of cliff -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/11/ntodd711.xml


Yeah, right.

[Ghost Dog]

62. Actually, this Telegraph story could be close to the truth,

unless there is very very professional lying and spinning going on.

"Max Clifford, the publicist, said: "Someone phoned me a week ago and they had a Liverpool or Manchester accent. All they said was that they had a story about a top copper and that it was a big scandal and that they wanted to get a lot of money. I didn't hear from them again and there was probably no connection at all with this.""

[MADem]

16. Gee, did he slit his wrists right before his daughter was to marry?

Oh, wait...that was someone else....

Gee, he did the old go along/get along routine, too:

Todd's investigation concluded last June that there was no evidence to back the claim. Last month, however, Britain admitted one of its remote outposts in the Indian Ocean had twice been used by the United States as a refueling stop for the secret transfer of two terrorism suspects.

[fascisthunter]

17. JHe Was Silenced, Permanently

How many mysteriously dead has that been? We have nazi fucks running the show/

[ConcernedCanuk]

19. Small sentence referring to renditions - that might shed some light - -

.
.
.

From the posted article:

"He headed an 18-month inquiry into whether CIA "torture" flights had landed at British airports,"

THAT RINGS BIG BELLS IN MY CORNER

Not that I distrust the BFEE or the PNAC gang.

How 'bout you?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

21. Chief Constables are always cliff jumping. Just part of the hazards of investigation.

Now, move along...

[emad]

22. This is the SECOND UK top cop to commit suicide in the last 2 days:

Camilla's security chief found dead after 'shooting himself' at home


The head of security for the Duchess of Cornwall was yesterday found dead after apparently shooting himself at his home.

Police Sergeant Richard Fuller, 55, was married with three grownup children.

Camilla and Prince Charles were told of the death while they were on board the yacht Leander sailing in the Caribbean.

A spokesman for Clarence House said: "The Duchess of Cornwall was very saddened to hear of the death of Sergeant Richard Fuller."

His body was found at his home near Calne, Wiltshire, yesterday morning.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=529549&in_page_id=1770

[emad]

84. And today a THIRD top UK cop found dead....

Police inspector's body washed up


The body of a Dorset police inspector has been found washed ashore at an expensive seaside peninsula.
Police said the body of Insp Neil Munro, 43, was found along Panorama Road, nicknamed "Millionaire's Row", in Sandbanks, at about 0830 GMT.

A gardener is reported to have found the body under a jetty belonging to a multi-million pound seafront mansion.

Brittany Ferries confirmed a foot passenger of the same name had boarded one of their ferries on Wednesday.

It is understood officers were alerted by the owners of the house, which was then sealed off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/7294840.stm

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. Many more details here:

...
Telephone conversations with some of his closest friends shortly before he went missing led them to believe he had personal problems and might be contemplating suicide.
...
For the past 10 years Mr Todd had seen his wife Carolyn 47, and children only at weekends, as they lived in Halam, Notts, while he lived in a flat in the centre of Manchester.

Colleagues believe the arrangement had put the marriage under strain and say Mr Todd regretted not being able to spend more time with his daughter, 16, and 13-year-old twins.

One police source said: "He had spoken to a number of people yesterday about his state of mind. We knew it (suicide) was on his mind. A number of personal items were found by his body — various notes written to members of his family."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/11/ntodd711.xml

[Henny Penny]

25. Yes many more details - but strangely unnamed closest friends

and strangely unnamed colleagues are able to explain the poor man was suicidal due to personal problems.

Which puts all our minds at rest...

Well doesn't it?????

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. Not 'strangely unnamed colleagues'

You know how British news reports are written - people who are professionally linked do not want their names printed when they're talking before official statements.

Senior officers became concerned about the welfare of Chief Constable Michael Todd after a series of apparently increasingly desperate telephone calls on Monday afternoon.

The tone of the conversation prompted officers to scramble rescue helicopters within hours in a bid to find Mr Todd, who was walking in north Wales.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/11/ntodd511.xml

It would be unheard of for police officers to be having their names printed saying "he phoned me and he was suicidal" at this stage.

[yardwork]

31. I'm skeptical. He lived apart from his family for ten years, and just now decided to kill himself?

The timing is extremely suspicious imo.

[muriel_volestrangler]

36. Possible Sunday newspaper exposure

Excuse the source - Evening Standard/Daily Mail, which does throw some doubt on this, I admit:

Sources speculated that Mr Todd's complicated personal affairs may have overwhelmed him while unconfirmed reports said a Sunday newspaper may have been planning to publish an exposÈ.
...
But sources said Mr Todd became distraught at the end of last week after issues concerning his personal life - believed to involve a woman - came to a head.

Max Clifford said he had received a call from a man claiming to have a "damning story that will bring down a top copper".

The publicist added: "He spoke with a northern accent and just that they were serious allegations and he wanted to know how much the story was worth.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23452106-details/Did%20chief%20constable%20jump%20to%20his%20death%20because%20of%20problems%20in%20his%20private%20life/article.do

[Codedonkey]

80. I'm with ya on that...

While I suppose shit happens and he could have killed himself. I think his position and what he was doing warrants the whole thing to be looked at with skepticism.

[muriel_volestrangler]

81. What do you think he was doing?

Nearly a year ago, he issued a report claiming the CIA hadn't done anything wrong. So what you do think he's doing now that warrants skepticism?

[daleo]

47. The CIA can't help it if it's lucky. n/t

[happygoluckytoyou]

26. NOTED, a local knoll has also been missing

in LA a hit costs $500

you think the billions at risk here are not being defended with bullets?

[yardwork]

33. After what this group has been willing to do, it would be remarkable

if they weren't willing to kill a few citizens to protect their secrets. After all, look how many people they've killed in Iraq.

[WinkyDink]

73. Not to mention NYC.

[Th1onein]

28. REMEMBER: this is only the tip of the iceberg that you are SEEING.

There's a whole lot more dirty shit under this administration. Remember: Bush didn't admit to the torture at Abu G or Gitmo until he was CAUGHT. There's a real pile of shit about to ooze out of this administration. I wonder if the US has an extradition treaty with Paraguay?

[burythehatchet]

42. oh how correct you are n/t

[WinkyDink]

74. No, we don't.

[Th1onein]

78. Figures.

That's why he picked Paraguay, I'm sure. The shit oozing out of the cracks in his administration right now, will turn into an avalache, after he leaves office. I have a feeling the American people, who are very pissed off right now, are going to be furious, when they find out about all of the other shit.

[Bilbo Heugan]

32. Did he off himself by shooting himself four times in the back of the head? nt

[Pastiche423]

37. From the OP article...

The association gave him the task of looking into accusations that Britain allowed the CIA to use the country's airports to fly terrorism suspects to other countries without any extradition hearings, a clandestine procedure known as "extraordinary rendition."

Todd's investigation concluded last June that there was no evidence to back the claim.

[bluesmail]

38. Cause of death: Suicided

[defendandprotect]

41. Todd evidently "concluded last June that there was no evidence to back the claim" . . .

Todd's investigation concluded last June that there was no evidence to back the claim. Last month, however, Britain admitted one of its remote outposts in the Indian Ocean had twice been used by the United States as a refueling stop for the secret transfer of two terrorism suspects.

Who knows what happened after that . . .

And I thought that Britain admitted to more than that . .. ???

[go west young man]

46. And who can forget the Raymond Lemme suicide.

So many important people suddenly killing themselves. Warning: Graphic photos. http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=5479
Then you also have all the military personnel that seemed to be bumping themselves off last year when nukes didn't go where they were supposed to.
Has anybody seen the movie "Michael Clayton" where the goons suicide George Clooneys friend? Seems to give a pretty good example of how it's done. Pretty scary times we live in.

[file83]

52. Raymond Lemme, YES!!! That's exactly who I thought of - glad you mentioned it.

I was "Fred" in those comment threads. That comment thread took days and days out of my life. After all that effort I put in, I was absolutely convinced he was murdered, and made to look like a suicide.

[GETPLANING]

48. There are no coincidences

........

[otherlander]

57. Another good man gets Frank Olsen'ed.

:cry: :cry: :cry: We have to be careful. There are crazy people out there and they're running the world.

[melody]

58. BushCo on the march n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

63. Walking while being inconvenient is very dangerous in Britain.

It seems that this causes sudden death syndrome.

[txaslftist]

67. The title pretty much sums up cause and effect.

[alfredo]

68. How convenient. Was he "silkwooded"?

[progressoid]

69. Hmmm...let me guess. Stroke? Suicide?

Nope, I'm going with heart attack.

[lovuian]

70. Britain is THEE worst Orwellian State

Horrible

[dailykoff]

86. Absolutely.

Worse than us. In fact they've got us doing their damn dirty work.

[emad]

75. Half-empty bottle of gin and discarded clothes found by 'suicide' chief constable's body on mountain

...snip:



A source today said: "The body was found next to a half-full bottle of gin, slumped face down on a gentle slope.

"There was no evidence of any pills or tablets but that is something the coroner will have to look at.

"Members of the team covered his face as a mark of respect.

"His jacket was found nearby.

"It is nonsense that he was half-dressed. He could have walked down the street without anyone raising an eyebrow."

He added that it was possible Mr Todd was suffering from hypothermia.

He said: "He would have had mobile reception up there, probably.

"There were no signs of slit wrists, I believe."


endsnip

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=530692&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

[superkia]

76. So they are saying that he fell or jumped off of a cliff?NT

[Vidar]

82. So now the CIA is assassinating our closest allies. Typical.

[Tight_rope]

83. Lemme guess...he fell on a knife 10 times...n/t