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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:04 AM
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Seven dead in Tokyo knife attack
Source: BBC

A man armed with a knife has killed seven people and injured 10 others in central Tokyo, Japanese media say.

The incident occurred in the Akihabara district, a busy shopping area known as Electric Town that is popular with young people and tourists.

A suspect, said to be 25-year-old Tomohiro Kato, has been arrested.

Police spokesman Jiro Akaogi told reporters: "The suspect said he came to Akihabara to kill people. He said he was tired of life".

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7442327.stm



Note that some may have been killed by the vehicle he drove into them, as well as the knifing.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:51 AM
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1. Jesus, I have been in ElectricTown 2 years ago. Living in Tokyo can be very stressing n/t
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:37 AM
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15. Life in Tokyo may be stressful
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 03:36 AM by Art_from_Ark
but the perpetrator is from a relatively small city in Shizuoka Prefecture.

By the way, I was at the intersection where the attack occurred just last week. Pretty strange feeling.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:08 AM
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2. Obviously the knife control laws in Japan are pretty lax.
When are people over there going to wake up and demand stricter laws to end the bloodshed and carnage?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:31 AM
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3. Yea, what Japan needs is a law mandating that everyone carry a gun.
this kind of thing wouldn't happen.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:34 AM
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4. Japan with complete ban
has a higher murder than Switzerland where machine guns are common in homes.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:18 PM
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7. NOW THERE'S A LITTLE-KNOWN FACTOID FOR YA.
And I thought they'd never been invaded in modern times because they are a NEUTRAL country.


This could explain all the holes in Swiss cheese.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 02:16 PM
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10. Really? UN figures
homicide rate/100,000 1998 1999 2000
Japan 0.57 0.53 0.50
Switzerland 1.07 1.25 0.96

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/seventh_survey/7sv.pdf
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 02:47 PM
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12. My error, both have trended down over the years from those numbers
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

however they are quite close considering a complete ban in japan and swiss gun laws.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:59 AM
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18. Quite close?
Swiss rates are double Japan's rates.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:23 PM
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14. Thanks, hard facts are always useful.
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 08:24 PM by daleo
For interest's sake, the U.S. is about 4.5, Canada is about 1.6, England about 1.5. South Africa is about 60, Russia about 20.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:59 AM
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5. The emperor should put out a decree,mandate,edict or fatwa outlawing this behavior
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:16 PM
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39. Japanese emperors haven't done that sort of thing since the war
Today's Emperor of Japan is little more than a figurehead, like European monarchs. But unlike them, he doesn't even get to have his face on Japanese money.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:57 PM
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6. "tired of life"
Why do so many people who are personally "tired of life" decide to take the lives of other people? If this guy's life was so onerous, surely he could have found a bridge to drive off of. Instead, he surrendered when the cops pointed guns at him. "Tired of life," my ass. Just a hater with no regard for other people.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:45 AM
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16. He said not only that he was "tired of life" ("seikatsu ni tsukare...")
but that he "hated the world" ("...yononaka ga kirai ni natta").
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:23 AM
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27. He would have been better off commiting sempuku...
...and making a public show of his discontent of the world, rather than take the lives of others.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:29 PM
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36. Maybe he wanted to make a "name" for himself?
Or he didn't want to die alone?

It's similar to the murder-suicides in the US where the perps go on a rampage against family, co-workers, etc., before turning on themselves. I've never understood the mentality, but we're not dealing with rational minds here.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:38 PM
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8. Four thousand throats may be cut in one knife by a running man with a knife. -Klingon proverb
Determination is a good thing, except in the violently crazy.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:58 PM
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9. How many would he have killed had he had a gun ?
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gullwing300 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 02:39 PM
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11. It depends. Knives don't need reloading.
...
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:56 AM
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17. A lot more
Three of the 7 fatalities seem to have been caused by getting run over by his rental truck, so it seems like he fatally stabbed 4 others. If he had had an assault-type rifle he could have killed far more because of the huge number of people walking the street, which had been closed off to vehicles.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:52 AM
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20. not many if EVERYONE had guns. I am a moderate towards the right to bear arms
It should be forbidden to carry weapons in densily populated areas.
But I don't see any problems to have automatic weapons in small towns.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:00 AM
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21. Akihabara, where the incident occurred, is in Tokyo
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 04:00 AM by Art_from_Ark
which is a very densely populated area. So even if Japan allowed gun ownership, no one there would have had guns anyway, according to your criteria.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:07 AM
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22. yes. All city centers would definitely be a no gun area. It would be hard to enforce it though
Buildings could have gun detectors. But you would need road checks to ensure people wouldn't drive into the city center with automatic weapons in their trunk.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:22 AM
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23. Personally, I don't like road checks
And enforcing such checks in Tokyo, which is huge, would be impossible.

I would much rather have Japan (where I live) remain a (mostly) gun-free zone.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:07 PM
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30. You realize that automatic weapons are already restricted by Federal law, yes? (n/t)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:07 PM
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13. Some of the oddities of Japanese society can produce very warped people
Every once in a while, someone goes berserk in a knife or razor blade attack.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:40 AM
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19. A little more than 2 months ago,
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 03:42 AM by Art_from_Ark
there was a similar incident at a train station in my area. Like the crazy nut at Akihabara, the perp there said he just wanted to kill someone, anyone. After he slashed three or four bystanders, he went to an unattended police substation and called another police station on the phone and basically said "I did it! Nyah, nyah, you can't catch me!" :crazy:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 07:54 AM
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24. When I was a student in Japan many years ago
there was a case of a high school girl (unusual--it's usually young men) who went berserk with a straight razor and ran through a crowd in Shinjuku attacking people. She didn't kill anyone, but it was one of many incidents that occurred in my first couple of months there that made me think, "What am I doing in this weird country?"
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:10 AM
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25. They had (have?) a word for such girls in Kansai--
"sukeban". I don't know if it is still in use, but when I learned it, the definition always included some bit about "sukeban" girls having razor blades.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:55 AM
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26. Looking through Amazon Japan for DVDs, I found several episodes of
a series called "Sukeban Deka," although I don't know how old it is.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:31 AM
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28. "Oddities"? "warped people"?
Ahhh... that would be the scat and bukkake fetish they have over there.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:56 AM
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29. Those are two manifestations, yes, but
I was thinking more of the types of families in which children are alternately coddled (not required to assume even the simplest responsibilities in real life) and pressured intensely (to be a high achiever who presents a picture of perfection to the world at large).

There are many ways in which the craziness can come out.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:27 PM
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34. I've been told that Japanese boys are coddled massively until age 10
Then suddenly expected to act like adults.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:19 PM
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35. In my experience, they're coddled massively all through their youth
It's very common for young people to live with their parents till marriage, and while both sons and daughters are coddled by U.S. standards (very few household chores, if any), the sons are particularly helpless.

There's more pressure to achieve and present a "manly" face to the world as they grow older, but Mom continues to wait on them like a servant.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:43 PM
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37. The degree of coddling probably depends on the family
The boys who appear to be destined for a "good" university probably get coddled more than the ones who are destined for a blue collar occupation.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:28 PM
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38. Definitely, but the girls are coddled less
They're expected to take responsibility for younger kids in a way that boys rarely are.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:26 PM
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40. A lot of the ones I knew had very little parental contact...
Because of the long commutes that a typical Japanese life requires, a lot of teenage kids spend most of their free time outside school hanging out with peers and return home as late as they can. A lot of the families I got to know had weird passive-aggressive relationships going on, and one guy told me in no uncertain terms that "I like my dad okay but I hate my mom." Weird stuff. I wonder if the killer was one of the "Akiba-kei" geeks who flock to that district.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:49 PM
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41. A lot of the kids have "club activities" after school
"Bu-katsudo" (extracurricular/club activities) can take up a lot of junior high and high school kids' free time, especially if they are in sports or music clubs.
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TheProphet5 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:08 PM
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31. :(
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:04 PM
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32. Tragic. Thoughts and prayers for the families and surviving victims. (n/t)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:05 PM
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33. Bummer
:argh:
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