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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:40 PM
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Gas Prices Cause Airline to Remove Life Vests
Source: AP via ABC News online

TORONTO (AP) -- An official with Air Canada's regional carrier Jazz says the airline is removing life vests from all its planes to save weight and fuel.
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A commercial-style life vest weighs roughly a half-kilogram, meaning 25 kilograms would be saved by removing them from a Dash-8 aircraft with 50 seats.






Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=5677587



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25 kg is just about 55 lbs, or roughly what Rush Limbaugh eats for lunch.

I know this is for flights that are at least 50 miles from the shore (article text states this), but come on. There are lakes here and there, and if I were looking for a place to drop a plane, I would go for water over land every time.

I was held up on a flight from Atlanta because the pilots were fighting with the tower over how much fuel was loaded - they were trying to keep it to a minimum for weight reasons. The pilots both won and lost - they got more fuel but had to change their route and reduce speed. They were not shy about sharing this information with us and you could tell by their voices they were unhappy about it. Yes the plane arrived very late.

Gets me all JAZZed up to get on a plane!


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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:43 PM
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1. S. S. Titanic with wings waiting to happen.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:44 PM
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2. But... your seat cushion still functions as a floatation device!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:54 PM
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21. i think i'd rather drown than get my face anywhere near a nasty airline seat cushion...
i've SEEN the kind of people who have sat on them....

:shudder:
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RantinRavin Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:45 PM
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3. Actually the tower has no say so in the matter
They may have been fighting with their dispatcher over how much fuel they were allowed to carry.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:46 PM
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4. Agreed. The tower just had to play moderator
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:52 PM
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5. I've often wondered anyway that when hitting the water at several hundred mile an hour...
you'd be saved by a simple life vest. :shrug:
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:59 PM
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6. No need to wonder, because you wouldn't survive that.
However if the crash was softer, say on a glide path, the life vest would help as the plane started to sink.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:21 PM
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9. Has any airline passenger ever been saved by a PFD?
I really want to know.
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Doctor Cynic Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:31 PM
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10. Yes.
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961

The trick is to inflate the life jacket AFTER you get out of the fuselage. If you inflate beforehand you will drown as the fuselage sinks.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:43 PM
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14. Exactly-- when I was a kid I took solace in them. Now, obviously,
I can see they don't do anything except lull people into a false sense of security...
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:05 PM
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7. Every plane I ever was on, you are supposed to use the seat as a flotation device.
Does this mean they are removing the seats? or is there some other life vests hidden around. How much would blow up life vests weigh anyway?
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:34 PM
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12. Half a kilo - the vest is a blow up device - the seats remain...
Safety cards in the seat pockets of Jazz aircraft now direct passengers to use the seat cushions as floatation devices.

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Gamey Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:10 PM
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8. or roughly what Rush Limbaugh eats for lunch. ROFLMAO!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:32 PM
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11. What's next? The bathroom door?
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:39 PM
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13. The entire bathroom
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:56 PM
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19. Passenger seats will just have holes cut in them.
And the waste just falls from the plane during the flight.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:43 PM
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15. LOL!!
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:46 PM
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16. The seat backs.
There's no need for those pesky tray tables now that they don't serve meals and if they eliminate the upright seat checks they can probably cut out one more flight attendant job. Win-win!
:sarcasm:
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:13 AM
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22. Plus, without seatbacks passengers have more room to work the slave oars after a water landing
Stroke, motherfuckers, stroke!!!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:25 PM
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17. A great marketing slogan: With fuel prices and airline services as they are, ...
you won't want to survive, anyway!

;-)
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Flagrante Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:25 PM
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18. Where the hell is my parachute?

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:50 PM
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24. "On a low-flying mission over a WAC" (NT)
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:42 PM
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20. Water is worse than land.
It's actually worse to land on water than it is on land.

I know there are pilots here who can give a better idea, but every show on plane crashes and flying I've ever seen has said that it is worse-- the water is actually rougher and more awful when you hit...

Examples would be the plane that went down in Peggy's Cove, Nova Scotia and the one that went down off the coast of Africa after being hijacked about 1996 or so.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 07:00 AM
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23. Really don't see this as a problem on a flight
from Saskatoo to Montreal. Bigger problem from Gander to London.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 09:41 PM
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25. Won't they charge extra?
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