EXCLUSIVE: Obama/DNC Database Reveals Startling, Wide-Spread Vote Machine Probs in NV

[BradBlog]

Source: BRAD BLOG



EXCLUSIVE: Obama/DNC Incident Report Database Reveals Startling, Wide-Spread Voting Machine Problems Across Nevada During Early Voting
Presidential Race Not Available; Machines Go Down; Votes Not Recorded; Printers Jam
Attorneys Decline to Take Action to Remove Machines From Service, Ensure Paper Ballots for Voters...

Wide-spread voting machine failures have been reported to the Obama/DNC election protection hotline in Nevada since early voting began more than a week ago in the state, The BRAD BLOG has learned. All voters who vote in person in the crucial battleground state are forced to cast their vote on 100% unverifiable Sequoia EDGE touch-screen voting machines with the VeriVote "paper trail" printer add-on.

Attorneys monitoring the incident reports coming in to the hotline have taken no action in regard to removing the failed machines from service, despite reports of the presidential race not appearing at all on some ballots; voters having problems selecting their preferred candidates; machines not starting up at all; "paper trail" printers jamming or running out of paper, and; a number of machines at a number of sites which refuse to work at all.

And this is just during early voting. A number of those startling reports are posted at the end of this article...

FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6616


Read more: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6616

[kestrel91316]

1. We need a federal law BANNING the use of electronic voting machines in

federal elections. PERIOD.

[CoffeeCat]

2. Damn straight kestrel....

Each precinct needs paper ballots. At the end of the evening--an equal number of Dems
and Reps count the votes. Then they call in the number to their state's election office.

It's so simple...and so much cheaper.

I'm starting to dread tomorrow, because if they steal it, I guess our family moves to Vancouver.

[WheelWalker]

5. Wrong. Your family, and mine, move to the D.C. Mall, and there we camp. n/t

[cliffordu]

18. Lets see- who was the President who killed a bundle of WWI vets for camping

on the mall in protest of no back pay.....IIRC they had a tent city of 10 thousand or so.


What would POSSIBLY make you think you could get a bett er deal or outcome???

[WheelWalker]

22. Nothing makes me believe I would get a better deal. But,

I will give as good as those who have gone before. This one shall not run from the fight, but shall run to it. Blessed be.

[cliffordu]

23. I guess I was implying that there would be no fight.....

[WheelWalker]

25. Ever done Cycle Oregon?

http://www.cycleoregon.com/

[cliffordu]

30. Can't afford it.....

I do long self supported tours...think homeless on a bicycle (heh)...I rode the southern tier a couple of years ago and part of the route of the Cascade 1200 last year....

[WheelWalker]

67. Understood. Me, too. I took a vow

of poverty in 1967, and as it turns out that's been the easiest of all commitments to keep.

[crikkett]

51. "What would POSSIBLY make you think you could get a bett er deal or outcome???"

1. Everyone has a camera this time around
2. YouTube

[zbdent]

53. not surprisingly, it was a REPUBLICAN who turned the military's guns

on the veterans ...

[saigon68]

87. It was a DISGUSTING DISPLAY

On the 28th of July 1932, Attorney General Mitchell ordered the police evacuation of the Bonus Army veterans, who resisted; the police shot at them, and killed two. When told of the killings, President Hoover ordered the U.S. Army to effect the evacuation of the Bonus Army from Washington, D.C.

At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported with six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, Fort Myer, Virginia, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of Civil Service employees left work to line the street and watch the U.S. Army attack its own veterans.

[dos pelos]

31. Remember the Bonus March?

WW1 vets promised a bonus for service.Depths of the depression,marched on D.C. and camped there.Pestered Congress.Congress frightened,turned the Army on them.Douglas MacArthur,Dwight Eisenhower and George Patton all participated in routing the marchers,burning their camp and killing a few of them,and a few of their children.WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE.It was not good.

[Why Syzygy]

32. I will meet you there...

should the unfortunate need arise. What else is there to do if they flush again.

[rambler_american]

40. Wrong. Your family, and mine, move to the D.C. Mall, and there we camp

My sentiments exactly. Bring your own pitchforks and torches.

[breadandwine]

48. Speaking of Nevada --- One-armed-bandit voting machines.

This is why those of us who sounded the alarm were not being alarmist.

The election is being stolen right from under our noses and democracy is going out with a whimper, not a bang.

We're working to win an election but the GOP is playing Pac-Man with the vote.

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htl_vwkZWHw

Who needs popularity when you've got Pac-Man marching around the voting screen gobbling up the votes?

Gobble, gobble, gobble!
Chomp chomp chomp!

This is nothing but a joystick election.

The machines are no better than Vegas one-armed-bandit slot machines.

Speaking of Nevada….

Congratulations! You lose! Try again next time!!!

The Obama campaign has been creating razor thin leads in state after state on the theory that it would put more holes in the dam than the GOP has fingers. But what good is this when in each of those states where we have these modest leads the GOP can just flip a switch and shift a few percent of the vote. We spread ourselves thin and now the GOP can flip the whole election.

And nobody is going to stop this because they don't want to be called a "sore loser" and a "conspiracy theorist" and subjected to the ELECTRIC RIDICULE MACHINE.

[Greyhound]

71. Au contraire mon amis. Nevada slot machines are very reliable and constantly

monitored by both the casinos and the state, far more reliable than mere voting machines.

[breadandwine]

88. LOL, Greyhound. Could be true. Sounds correct. But---

Slot machines even when they work properly and according to law, are designed as gambling machines in which you lose more and more often than you win. Otherwise the house would not be able to make a profit. That's why the machines are called "one armed bandits" because each time you pull the lever you are more likely than not to see no return on the money you just put in. My point --- electronic voting machines are a gamble.

Hence my term, "one armed bandit voting machines." They steal your vote.

Of course, for the Republicans they are pretty good --- they keep frequently flipping votes to the GOP and not the other way round.

[amdezurik]

73. with this level of incompetence (deliberate or not)

perhaps it is time to consider invalidating Nevada this cycle. it looks like no set of numbers from there will reflect anything like reality. It is an extreme measure I know, but tomorrow every person involved in the setting up of or approval of those machines and lack of procedure needs to be removed/fired/suspended and an investigation started. Anyone found criminally liable should also be charged with the disenfranchiment of every Nv voter individually. Just my bitter opinion :)

[Wabbajack_]

59. Harper and Gordon Campbell

Have fun. Yuck.

[applejuice]

83. Yes, they count by hand here in the UK and it works just fine.

I believe Canada also uses this method.

[anitar1]

84. But--most Americans can't count. n/t

[glinda]

6. It is toooo late

They need to get on this now! Not next time. Now!

[goclark]

7. Now!

[kestrel91316]

21. It's too late to pass a federal law banning them for this election.

I am taking the long view here. NO MORE OF THIS BS.

[99th_Monkey]

28. Shame on US, allowing Canadians and Europeans to show US what REAL Democracy really looks like. nt

RECOUNTABLE PAPER BALLOTS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DallasNE]

50. Voting Machines Can Be Completely Safe

We use ATM machines safely every day so it is not the machines themselves that are the problem. The problem is the States allow "propriatary" software to be used. What this means is that the States cannot audit the software for compliance with the law. All they have to do is sign contracts banning use of propriatary software. That software still has copyright protection. What we have today is completely broken and should be banned. With a few simple fixes I think electronic voting can be just as safe as an ATM machine. Sadly, I don't expect to see those necessay regulations any time soon.

[valerief]

52. Can we trust the audits on non-proprietary s/w? Will we become complacent with it?

Paper ballots are the answer with an archivable video clip of us at each polling station reading off who we voted for.

[bitchkitty]

54. Video?

The whole point of voting is to be able to vote for whomever you please. I don't mind telling the world how I voted, but that's my choice.

Paper ballots are the answer, I agree. Hand-counted paper ballots, like Canada. But please don't mess with my privacy.

[valerief]

90. I know. I was only kidding, really. But we actually need a PARALLEL-VOTING process.

Vote one way in one place/method and another in another place/method. Some kind of backup vote that can validate the vote. What we got ain't working.

[bitchkitty]

91. Excellent idea

Paper ballots, 2 copies of each one, entered by different clerks. The first clerk enters the ballot, the second clerk enters a ballot that checks itself against the copy in the database. Discrepancies looked at by a supervisor.

A bank I worked for used this system for their credit info - and they had the fewest errors in the industry. This was years ago, and I don't remember the bank, but I remember the process.

[valerief]

92. I don't even want the ballots submitted on the same day in the same place.

I don't want them routed through the same 'man in the middle' servers that steal votes. I want them totally separate.

Question is how do you make sure a voter submits both? What incentive? Maybe some kind of rebate check payable upon receipt of the validation vote. Vote at the polling place and mail in your vote for a voter rebate check. Name and address on a rebate coupon, no name and address on mail-in ballot.

[eagertolearn]

63. I agree with you but if we have to always worry about who the current

secretary of state is and about these far right crazy's who will break the law or kill to "save lives" then they will always be vulnerable. Come to think of it how many of us keep track of our ATM withdrawals...maybe their not safe!

[Joe Chi Minh]

75. ATM's notwithstanding, IT experts say it is not possible to make them

competely secure, though I believe progress has been made with computers operating in some kind of quantum mode.

[backscatter712]

102. Check this site out:

http://punchscan.org/

Electronic voting done right.

Punchscan is quite different from your typical Diebold-style black-box voting system in that it uses technology to INCREASE transparency instead of attempting to make a stronger black box.

[L0oniX]

72. I just watched Black Box Voting last night on HBO ...you can't trust those machines.

[knitter4democracy]

76. I'm K&Ring this post. Amen!

[Oldtimeralso]

3. We Need Paper n/t

[bjobotts]

10. They need to makesure paper ballots are available at compromised sites

[bjobotts]

11. Someone quick get the presidential choice on paper and get people to vote after leaving voting place

[bjobotts]

13. for just the president choice they voted for in the voting place as an exit poll with proof

[bjobotts]

14. McCain has said he will come from behind on election night to win

[bjobotts]

16. They've always planned to steal it and we must do everything to stop him

[bjobotts]

17. use your cell ph camera to record your vote and any incidents.

[RCinBrooklyn]

4. I guess we're going to have to take to the streets afterall.

[EJSTES2005]

9. On a brighter side

Orange County FL and many others are all paper now. One of the poll workers told me too many people complained about the touch screens. She was not very happy about the change,but I sure was !!! Not a chance in hell they try and steal this one.

[clear eye]

20. But they are counted by electronic tabulators.

Optical scan tabulators are equally problematic. I really wish I didn't have to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I've been following this issue starting in 2000 with Greg Palast, and Beverly Harris's "Black Box Voting" site. It's important we know the problem areas, not in order to panic, but to push for the right measures to end this farce next year once and for all.

[Beartracks]

29. Democracy doesn't have to be convenient!

>She was not very happy about the change...

I understand shuffling and managing all that paper is a lot more work, but come on. It's not just a job, it's a SERVICE to our NATION to be a poll worker -- you're on the front lines of democracy.

[seafan]

56. In 2005, Jeb Bush signed a *new law* that outlaws any hand recount of ballots that have previously

been counted by a machine. That includes optical scan machines. In Florida, we cannot recount our ballots in a disputed election, if those ballots have already been *counted* by a machine. This is what is such a farce.... we have *paper ballots*, but we cannot review them in a close election.


How. Convenient. Another devious plan brought to you by Jeb Bush.



We must return to pen and paper ballots, hand counted at each precinct under direct public observation, with the results telephoned in to the Secretary of State's office, then posted on the door of the precinct.


We must remove all machines from the process of casting and counting our votes.

[Flying Dream Blues]

60. But hopefully, people are finally waking up to this blatant corruption. nt

[timtom]

62. Palm Beach County

Paper here, too (at least at my precinct in WPB)

[Interceptor7]

26. I'll meet you there

in protest until every vote is counted. I'll go to D.c. and gladly camp out or do whatever it takes for our voices to be heard.

[progressivebydesign]

8. Not to be flippant. But why can't the company that makes cash registers make voting machines?

I mean.. have you ever seen a cash register break down? If we can't just go back to paper ballots, then can we get something simple? I wish we could just go to national mail-in voting instead of this shit. :(

[BradBlog]

15. No mail in ballots...

Beware mail in voting? Unless you want this:

"Why 'Vote-by-Mail' is terrible for democracy"
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6003

and this:

"ES&S Ballot Scanners Fail in MI County"
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6613

[99th_Monkey]

33. WOW! That's only half the story. Why no mention of the advantages and success of vote-by-mail?

Such minor details as
1) the convenience for elderly and shut-ins,
2) NO opportunity for thugs to intimidate or threaten vulnerable minorities
at the polls on Nov. 4th.
3) Oregon's solid record of reflecting the will of the voters on election day,
as evidenced by the near-universal popularity of vote-by-mail among Oregonians.
4) No mention in the article that ANY time there's ANY good reason to recount ballots
by hand, that can and will be done.
5) Absolutely NO opportunity to jam up the works on Nov. 4th with 4-6 hour lines in
precincts known to be Democratic (as is happening now as we speak in many states).

.... and that's just off the top of my head.

Why would I be "convinced" of anything by such a one-sided, short-shrifty dismissal of
vote-by-mail, when it flies in the face of my lying eyes as an Oregonian?

[eagertolearn]

64. Out here in La Grande, Oregon I am very happy with mail in. I observed for hours

during the last election and they have a great system of checks and balances. Thats great that you are working with the homeless...my brother died after living on the streets for 25 years in Santa Barbara. We have to get Obama in to make some major changes. My brother must of cost the tax payers millions of dollars before he died (jail time and hospital time all because of drinking). I've got my three teenagers thinking they want to go out and change the world and I hope they do something like you are (two right now want to be lawyers so they can fight for the rights of the underserved!). My brother really opened their hearts and minds.

[clear eye]

19. Mechanical Lever Machines

are the safest known way to vote, period. The only way they can be tampered with is the completely obvious filing down of a gear which would result in zero votes for a candidate--immediately apparent on testing and too obvious to try. The count in NY precincts (called election districts, locally) is completed w/i 1/2 hour most places with pollworkers and observers from all involved parties checking the tally on the back of the machine obviating any need for a recount. The results are phoned into the county BOE's by the pollworkers, and the various party headquarters by observers, almost simultaneously, so funny addition is also impossible. They prevent ballot box stuffing or losing boxes, or any other chain of custody issues that were a big problem in the bad old days of Tammany Hall.

(Recounts in NY precincts using these machines involves only the absentee ballots. Some more rural areas of NY use hand-counted paper ballots, so races including those areas may need a full recount.)

BEFORE WE PASS ANY FEDERAL LAW REQUIRING PAPER BALLOTS OR A "PAPER TRAIL", WE NEED TO EXEMPT MECHANICAL LEVER MACHINES--WITHOUT ANY ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS--FROM THAT REGULATION.

[Frank Cannon]

24. I miss mechanical voting machines

They were easy to use, impossible to rig (as you mention), and you could change your vote any way you wanted before pulling the lever and "locking" them in. I loved those machines.

For some reason, they started disappearing in the mid-to-late 80s. I never did find out why, although I'm sure it had something to do with the "impossible to rig" thing.

[JerseygirlCT]

74. I liked them, too.

We were told that the company that manufactured them was either out of business or no longer making or repairing them, and that's why the move to new machines here in CT.

[clear eye]

96. Main reason is they are bulky and heavy

"The lever devices, which weigh about 1,800 pounds each, are hard to transport and store" from a 1988 NYTimes article--
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE6DB133DF931A35752C1A96E948260
Not to mention expensive to build w/ up to 28,000 parts that have to be machined to narrow tolerances. It seemed a no-brainer to go to the lighter, smaller, potentially cheaper electronic machines, and many electronics mfrs started seeing the kinds of dollar signs usually reserved for selling the Defense Dept. $1,000 screwdrivers. The potential beneficiaries of those mfrs' campaign donations must have been sympathetic, even before the potential for undetectable fraud beckoned.

I still think they are the answer to the all-too-legitimate crisis of confidence in election integrity in the U.S.

Kennedy narrowly defeated Nixon, leaving Republicans convinced that corrupt Democratic election officials in Chicago and Texas were to blame. In Chicago, the controversy was almost entirely focused on the precincts where paper ballots were still in use. In contrast, where lever machines were used, there were few irregularities. Had lever machines been in use throughout Chicago, it is possible that our nation would have survived the 1960 election without generating a politics of payback that continues to this day.

Although lever machines do not produce an independent audit trail, this is -- as software engineers say -- a feature, not a bug. In the 1880s and 1890s, paper ballots emerged as the locus par excellence of election fraud; lever machines were expressly designed to take the human element out of every aspect of the vote recording and counting process in order to eliminate fraud that was gravely undermining Americans' confidence in their democracy.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Machining-the-Vote--A-brie-by-Rady-Ananda-080628-791.html

[marions ghost]

34. lever machines

can be tampered with and have been.

Gotta have paper ballots.

[clear eye]

95. See my post #94 below, please. n/t

[readmoreoften]

69. Modern technology beats postmodern technology when it comes to an old-fashioned concept like voting.

I voted on lever machines my whole life. They are the pinnacle of voting technology. No digital improvement necessary thanks...

[noamnety]

89. They can be tampered with.

A bit of history: "Many people still in power have yet to be held accountable for their role in aiding and abetting vote fraud. I'll give you two important examples. Famous Miami lawyer Ellis Rubin brought the original Votescam evidence to the Florida assistant State Attorney at the time, Janet Reno. The evidence included the shaved wheels of lever voting machines, forged canvass sheets, and pre-printed vote tally sheets. Reno refused to prosecute, claiming falsely that the statue of limitations had run out on the crime. Years later, Rubin would tell my father that behind closed doors Reno had stated that she could not prosecute. Why? Because she would bring down many of the most powerful people in the state."

http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionsfraud

[clear eye]

93. I mentioned the business w/ shaving the gears above

They are still the safest way of voting. Shaved gears are way too obvious for anyone to try unless they are in an area of such dominance by a single totally corrupt party that they don't expect any checks on the machines to be made at all. It is still much easier to catch and harder to get away with than tampering with the ballot boxes. And goes w/o saying is lightyears ahead in safety compared w/electronic machines.

It has the emormous of advantage of giving an instantaneous count, taking only as long as it takes to transcribe the numbers from the back of the machine once it's been locked down at the end of voting. This is an enormous labor saver, and all BOE's seem to begrudge hiring enough pollworkers to do a complete hand count, not to mention the pressure from the media to come up with fast results. No chance of any funny business out of the eyes of observers from all parties.

[clear eye]

94. A bit of history:

The mechanical lever machines were devised to eliminate widespread cheating due to the fact that the counting of ballots in any but the tiniest localities is done by moving the ballot boxes to a central counting location. There is a long history of ballot boxes disappearing, becoming stuffed w/ excess ballots, and otherwise mysteriously changing in transit. If there are any representatives of the minority party present when the polling places open at all, as is the norm, the check run during the set up of lever machines would reveal any non-working levers. Counts of zero for a candidate at the end are also an obvious sign of tampering. These machines are tamper-proof in any circumstance where the rival party is not being terrorized, because all tampering is immediately visible.

If the majority party is so thoroughly corrrupt and violent that they can get away w/ pre-printing tally sheets as was done in Miami, then nothing short of a racketeering trial would slow them down.

Viewed historically, this back-to-paper movement is ironic. "The first voting machines were introduced in the 1890s specifically to remove paper from the voting process," said Bryan Pfaffenberger, a historian of technology in the School of Engineering and Applied Science's Department of Science, Technology, and Society.

With the aid of a $27,000 Scholar's Award from the National Science Foundation, Pfaffenberger is studying the neglected history of the voting machine.

Having studied the history, I strongly believe that there would be no such call for paper if the ugly history of fraudulent practices enabled by paper ballots were known -- unfortunately, the American people have forgotten the lessons they learned a century ago, and I greatly fear that we will have to repeat them in order to learn them again.

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=Machining-the-Vote--A-brie-by-Rady-Ananda-080628-791.html

[noamnety]

97. I'm just gonna recap my previous post.

Reno acknowledged that she couldn't prosecute tampering of the lever machines because going public would bring down too many powerful officials elected through rigged lever machines.

[clear eye]

99. Oy. Even your previous post included many other factors, including paper ballot tampering

which are much easier to tamper and get away with than the lever machines. What's your point?

Edited for typo.

[backscatter712]

35. Diebold makes ATMs as well as voting machines...

Not to mention bank security systems, vaults & such.

Yet the Diebold model ATM at my bank with a touch screen, that sits outside in the bank drive-thru, out in the elements, works every time.

Hmmmmmm....

[Alcibiades]

39. The ATMs I use are no more reliable

than Diebold voting equipment. At least, however, they don't actually steal my deposits or double-count my withdrawals.

[Selatius]

85. That's because the banks have the option of choosing a different vendor if Diebold machines are crap

Voters, by in large, are forced to vote on e-machines because the elections authorities mandate it. They have an indirect choice at best. And banks have a very well organized lobbying mechanism on Capitol Hill and a powerful army of lawyers to back them up if Diebold ATMs screw with their money.

[still_one]

12. Sorry but what the hell are those attorney's purpose if they aren't doing anything?

If we lose this election because of machines that should have been fixed in 2000, the DNC can go to hell

[Life Long Dem]

27. This sounds important.

I don't care if this is a distraction or not. We all are further along than to care about whether this is a distraction or not. It' could be more than that. If it s outright robbery, one state at a time, they better pray they get serious fucking help. Because I'm beyond that point!

[Frank Booth]

36. More electronic voting machines now!

I like their ease of use, and I don't have to stand in line as long because they're quicker.

[shellgame26]

37. GENERAL mofo STRIKE

IF THIS GETS STOLEN

[fasttense]

38. Just another FU from the bush and his Republicon cronies.

They know they are going to lose but they are doing all they can to steal away a good clean victory.

Failing vote machines, incompetent distribution of voting materials, flipped and lost ballots, just another reminder of the bush and his contempt for democracy.

[happygoluckytoyou]

41. POLLS HAVE 9% lead for OBAMA..... FOX and DIEBOLD call it "a statistical tie"...welcome to America

[Joe Chi Minh]

47. God willing, they'll both be history soon. and some of their malefactors

doing "hard time".

[pam4water]

42. Fuck I have to vote on one of the touch screen PoC in Pennsylvania with no paper trail. Fuck!

[panzerfaust]

43. Shocked

beyond words?

[Nikki Stone1]

44. This shit never ends, does it.

:(

[whistle]

45. The repukes will steal this election also if the are allowed

[Ganja Ninja]

46. Here's the big difference between this election and 2004.

We are going to have a majority in both houses of congress. Any state where the vote seems fishy can be challenged when the new congress convenes in January.

[Window]

49. Thank you Brad for this and for all you do.

When will this nightmare of these renegade voting end.

[lonestarnot]

55. Son of a bitch!

Waiting and watching. Bag is packed!

[JawJaw]

57. Old Tech Is The Key

From time to time, the Parliament TV channel in the UK clears the schedule for a day to repeat election coverage from past elections (for the real political geeks!)

It always amazes me how diligent and efficient all these people were in producing an accurate hand counted result within hours - and this was in the days before colour TV!

[Lilicat]

58. We have paper ballots in our township

Schuylkill Township, Chester County, PA. I'm not sure about the rest of the county, but we have them here. We had 'butterfly ballots' for awhile, where you punch your choice with a stylus, but the last two Presidential elections have been the old fashioned color-in-the-oval paper ballot, and I like it!

Unf, I heard people in line complaining that we were still using this "old fashioned" method - they want the e-machines. No thanks!

And by the way, when I arrived a half hour before the polls opened this a.m., the place was parked out. I was #37. I didn't get in until 7:30 and there were about 100 people in line. I've never seen anything like it.

[4Diversity]

61. Early Voting Las Vegas

My husband and I voted early in Las Vegas, and had no problem with the machines. We checked our paper read out carefully, and everything was correct. It was, in all, a very excellent voting experience.

[JohnWxy]

65. well, obviously, this state is McCain's.. THe only question is how many more will REpubs rig?

[bdamomma]

66. is anything being done about this?

this is blatant voter suppression

[JohnWxy]

68. There must be a legal avenue to have the polling in that state questioned and have it redone in a

legitimate manner. Jesus Christ.

We cannot have another 2000 and 2004. We cannot have anymore Fascist Totalitarian government.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

70. Spoke to a friend in Reno llate ast night. She said

60% of NV. had already voted. She thought the state would go to Obama
because people were so fed-up with McCain's "blah, blah,blah," comments
about Yucca Mountain, a very important issue to all voters in the state.

[zackforester]

77. Wow

Geeze, they better get these problems solved soon if they want to have a clear winner in Nevada within the next 3 weeks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exiyBYnJ00

[Imagevision]

78. Question is was Obama ready for this? - or were they expecting a straight up election?

[Imagevision]

79. So, ther's bad machines for Obama and great machines for Mccain...

[Matariki]

80. WHY have we waited until yet another election to address this HUGE problem?

Do other countries have the problems with voting we do? Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK? I asked a British friend if they have 8 hour lines to vote in England and he just laughed.

[GetTheRightVote]

81. Yes, as a programmer, I believe we to go back to paper

It can not be changed behind the screens.

:kick:

[nolabels]

82. Las Vegas, lost wages, lost vote it was almost like a song

Video slot machines really got that rare gambler in me thinking how corrupt they could get. Thank goodness California now votes on paper ballots again

[WoodyD]

86. RE the bonus army . . .

When they camped out in DC the first time, Hoover was president. He sent in the troops. When the bonus army came back in 1933, FDR was president. He sent Eleanor.

A second Bonus Army came to Washington in May 1933 to appeal to the new administration of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. This time they were greeted by First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt. Although the bonus pay legislation was again defeated in Congress, the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) authorized jobs for 25,000 veterans. The Bonus Army paved the way for the G.I. Bill of Rights.

In my precinct in Montana, we vote on paper ballots, and we can vote early. I've never had to wait in line to vote.

[CreekDog]

98. I worked at a NV polling place today (Reno, NV)

the machines HAVE a paper printer attached to them that the voter can see printout as they vote.

we thought the poll workers at our precincts were pretty on the ball actually.

[pinniped]

100. Just saying, but a machine containing malicious software could display your correct....

choices and print your correct choices, but record something entirely different in its memory.

Or, it could be programmed to flip votes to the other dude. For every five votes this guy gets, give three to the other guy. Something along those lines.

Or, are you saying the machine keeps a running paper record, like a 10-key calculator w/printer?

Or, does the voter take the only paper copy with them?

[CreekDog]

101. yes, machine keeps running paper record, paper copy stays with the machine

the team leader at the precinct says the paper trail is a backup to make sure the electronic system is counting votes correctly.

i was nervous about the system until i actually saw it on Election Day.

Obama attorneys/law students were on hand and verified that all machines were set to zero that morning. They also called in to HQ any issues the machines had.

FWIW, aside from the first bugs at opening time, the process went smoothly, we had plenty of machines and the staff there treated us Obama folks very well and respected the job we had to do.

Nevada (or Washoe County) has been encouraging managers and staff from the county to work the elections which i think brings a professionalism to the process (at least it did where i was). There were volunteers, but key county people were overseeing everything.

I'm all for a huge overhaul of our election system, but Nevada did a pretty good job given the system we have.