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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:25 PM
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Bush first ex-prez to face limit on Secret Service protection
Source: McClatchy

Bush first ex-prez to face limit on Secret Service protection
McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — President George W. Bush's "after-life," as Laura Bush calls the post-presidency, is shaping up to be pretty comfortable, with a Dallas office, staffers, Secret Service protection, a travel budget, medical coverage and a $196,700 annual pension, all at taxpayers' expense.

However, Bush will be the first president not to benefit from one former lifetime benefit: Secret Service protection.

"He'll be the first one to receive it for 10 years," said Malcolm Wiley, Secret Service spokesman. Congress changed the law in the 1990s so that any president elected after Jan. 1, 1997, and his or her spouse will receive the federal protection for only 10 years.

The Bushes will move to their new $2 million, 8,500-square-foot Dallas home — not paid for by taxpayers — on Jan. 20, and there Bush will be close to his future presidential library at Southern Methodist University.


Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/310/story/58949.html
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:27 PM
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1. that's ok, he'll be in prison after that if all works out as it should...
and if he's not, the corporate charities will pay for full time protection for him, it's the LEAST they could do for him after all the 'hard work' he's performed on their behalf.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:33 PM
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2. Was this Newt's GOP Congress that passed it?
If so it is pretty ironic that it effects a Republican President when they were aiming at Clinton at the time.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:18 PM
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33. Yes! and isn't it just so poetic!
:rofl:
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:36 PM
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3. Why the hell does that idiot have to have a Dallas office?
Staffers and a travel budget? He needs to STFU and stay out of sight and out of mind! It's not like he's going to be making any major speeches or traveling to other countries for "humanitarian" purposes. That is really bazaar IMHO. :wtf: :puke:
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:04 PM
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10. Someone's got to keep him away from the bourbon
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:24 PM
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16. You thought he was kidding when he said "I'll be giving speeches
to fill the old coffers.....hehehehehe"
Who in the hell does he think will pay and who will listen?
Deluded to the end, the longer and more bitter the better. No Mercy !
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 07:34 AM
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29. Travel??
Where is the world is he going to go without putting himself at risk for being arrested and sent to the Hague for war crimes?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:37 PM
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4. Glad to hear it.
There's no point in having our Secret Service Men and Women put in harm's way unnecessarily.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:04 AM
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22. Those pretzels are killers. Since Secret Service can't drink beer they would choke on them.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:51 PM
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5. Even 10 years will be tough on shrub's protectors.
Just think about it. Even if only a dozen people a day chuck shoes at him, over the course of ten years we're talking about these poor fellas having to bat away over forty thousand shoes.
No doubt we're going to be adding repetitive motion injury claims paid to shrub's secret service detail to the deficit.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:59 PM
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6. What is the maximum penalty for kicking someone in the nuts?
I'm just asking.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:00 PM
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7. Figure out the penalty Bush should have coming, divide by 6.5 billion... (nt)
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:25 PM
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19. You are talking a head shot, right?
If he had any balls, he would not be a chickenhawk.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:55 PM
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21. Yeah, but to get a headshot, you'd have to kick him in the ass.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:01 PM
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8. I think they can get SS protection longer if they have credible threats. nt
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:12 PM
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11. I.e, forever . . .
What former president *doesn't* face "credible threats?"

And of course, in Schimpanski's case, I don't think the passion will die down very quickly. Nixon was responsible for many more deaths, but was successful in simulating a statesman and historian after his exit from the White House. He was even "respected" when he died. At least by some.

Bush will be lucky to simulate an upright posture. There's little to protect him from the verdict of history except the SS.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:16 PM
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13. "credible threats"?
How many shoes are there in the world? :shrug:

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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:08 AM
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23. Bush wouldn't know a credible threat if it flew planes into buildings.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 12:09 AM by Wizard777
I'm serious. We actually have video of this.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:02 PM
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9. His SS protection should be revoked. Dick's too.
And he should pay for it, not us.

Hawkeye-X
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:21 AM
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24. the VP is not entitled to SS protection after leaving office, however...
Cheney asked and Congress agreed to provide it at a cost to the taxpayers of something like $10-15 million...
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:14 PM
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12. The Bush SS detail will probably be punitive punishment
for the SS screw-ups. What a rotten waste of time having to protect that stinkin' little putz.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:21 PM
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14. It will just make it easier for his enemies to get him. In 10 years, that is!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:21 PM
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15. Outsource his protection to Wackenhut. nt
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:19 AM
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26. Should be Blackwater - out of his own funds
Hopefully from this point on they'll be needing the work and off the federal payroll!
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:27 PM
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17. hope they know he's not worth taking a bullet for
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:38 PM
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18. I hope he's hung at the Hague for war crimes within 2 years.
Along with Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:22 AM
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30. it'll never happen.
none of them will ever be made to pay any price.
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oldnslo Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:32 PM
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20. That's OK, maybe someone out there is young enough to wait.
Ten years isn't really so long to wait for revenge.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:52 AM
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25. He's done a heck of a job in Appalachia
We can't stand anymore of the Bush Legacy of prosperity. http://www.wisecountyissues.com
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:27 AM
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27. Bush can afford to pay Blackwater for protection
Shame on SMU for allowing Bush to put his one-book library on their campus.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:45 AM
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31. Hopefully he'll wind up with a mentally unstable roid-poppin blackwater security detail.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 11:46 AM by Crowman1979
That would be instant karma for me. He trusted those with Iraq, I'm sure he can trust them with his life. If not, than the chimp is a f***in hypocrite.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:04 AM
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28. In 1997 the GOP was still mad at Truman and LBJ? Ladybird Johnson died in 1997.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 02:34 AM by happyslug
People tend to forget that prior to the 1960s former Presidents did NOT get any Secret Service protection. Theodore Roosevelt while running for a third term in 1912 was shot while campaigning. He had no Secret Service protection for his term as President ended four years before. The pre-1997 rule had been adopted in the late 1960s as part of the package to rewrite the Secret Service protection level after Bobby Kennedy had been killed in 1968 (and to provide a Pension, many Democrats were shocked that All ex-Truman was living on was his National Guard Pension of about $200 a month, he had other income, speaking engagements for example but no independent source of Income).

At that time you had three ex-presidents, Truman, Eisenhower and Johnson, and their wives. All the Presidents were dead within five years (Thus the last years of the Nixon White house was one of the few periods in History when there were NO ex-Presidents). Some ex-first ladies lived for many years after their husband died, for example the following:

Mamie Eisenhower died in 1979 (Her husband died in 1969),
Bess Truman lived till 1982 (Her Husband, Harry S Truman, living only till 1972),
Jacqueline Kennedy died in 1994 (As you well know her husband was killed in 1963),
Pat Nixon died in 1993 (preceding her husband, Richard Nixon who died in 1994),
Ladybird Johnson died in 1997 (Her husband having died in 1973).

Nancy Reagan is still alive (her husband, Ronald Reagan died in 2004) as is Betty Ford (whose husband, Gerald Ford died in 2006). Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter, George and Barbara Bush, William and Hillary Clinton and George W and Laura Bush are still alive.

If you look at the widows, most lived for years after their left the white house:

31 years for Jacqueline Kennedy,
30 years for Bess Truman,
28 years Ladybird Johnson,
19 years for Pat Nixon (her husband Richard only survived her by a year, thus 20 years for Richard Nixon),
32 years and hopefully more for Betty Ford left the White house (Her husband only survived 29 years).
29 years and hopefully more for Rosalyn and Jimmy Carter,
16 years and hopefully more for George and Barbara Bush.

Except for Eisenhower who survived less then nine years, and those Presidents who died in office (FDR, JFK, Harding and McKinley) only LBJ, Coolidge and Woodrow Wilson died within ten years of the end of their Presidency in the 20th Century (Coolidge dieing in 1933, four years after he left office, and Wilson dieing in 1924 three years after he left office). On the other hand Mrs Coolidge till 1957, 28 years after her husband left office, while Mrs Wilson lived till 1961, or more then 40 years after her husband left office. The longest living ex-President in the 20th Century was Herbert Hoover, dieing in 1964 more then 31 years after he left office in 1933.

Neither Coolidge or his wife was entitled to a Federal Pension as was true of his successor, Hoover who lived till 1964 (again No Secret Service protection, it is noted he told Truman to install a high wire fence around his home, NOT to keep out potential assassins, but people who support him, they feel you are "their" President and do not think twice of just walking in your door or into your yard, so Hoover told Truman to build a fence, Truman refused for he thought a fence would separate him from the people, but after more then a few people did what Hoover told him they would do, even Truman had to put up a fence). This was the law in the US till the late 1960s, when Secret Service protection was expanded AND a pension for ex-Presidents was set up.

My point is, most ex-Presidents have live more then ten years after they are President, and ALL but two First Ladies of the 20th Century have lived more then ten years after their husband's were President (Florance Harding barely lived a year after her Husband, Warren Harding died in office, Ida McKinney whose husband was President till he was killed in 1901, lived only six years after her husband's death in 1901). Mrs Wilson lived 40 years after her husband left Office, Lou Hoover, wife of Herbert Hoover died in 1944, 12 years after her husband left the office (while he died over 20 years later), Eleanor Roosevelt survived 18 years after her husband died in office. Edith Roosevelt, wife of Theodore Roosevelt lived almost 40 years after Theodore left office. The record of life after the White House for a former First Lady is held by Frances Cleveland who lived 50 years, 7 months, and 25 days after she left the White house beating out # 2, Sarah York Jackson, who, while performing the duties of First Lady for Andrew Jackson, was his daughter-in-law not his wife, but lived only 50 years, 5 Months, and 19 days after Andrew Jackson's term of office ended. Since Mrs Cleveland time from the White House to her death exceeded Sarah York Jackson time from the end of Jackson's term to her death by two months, six days (Jackson's wife DIED between his election and his assuming office in 1829) I do NOT have to go into the debate whether people other than a spouse should be protected by the Secret Service.

None of these ex-First Ladies or ex-Presidents had Secret Service after their left office until the late 1960s (and that is limited to the ones still alive at that point, Harry and Bess Truman, Dwight and Mamie Eisenhower and Jacquelyn Kennedy, Eleanor Roosevelt had died in 1962, Grace Coolidge in 1957, Edith Wilson in 1961, Herbert Hoover in 1964 his wife in 1944). The remaining ex-presidents and their wives were occasionally threatened, often by people who knew they could NOT get at the present President, but a former one was almost as good to them. Given the greater ability to moved around (and the fact Truman, while not poor, did NOT have the means to pay for his own body guards) something had to be done and the act set the lifetime protection, protection I believe all such ex-Presidents, even George W Bush should have.


Mamie Eisenhower:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamie_Eisenhower

Bess Truman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bess_Truman

Jacquelin Kennedy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacqueline_Kennedy

Ladybird Johnson:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Bird_Johnson

Pat Nixon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Nixon

Betty Ford:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Ford

Her Husband, Gerald Ford:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford

Rosalyn Carter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalynn_Smith_Carter

Nancy Reagan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Davis_Reagan

Barbara Bush:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bush_(First_Lady)

Hillary Rodham Clinton:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

Laura Bush:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Welch_Bush

The rest of the First ladies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_First_Ladies_of_the_United_States

Frances Cleveland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Folsom_Cleveland_Preston

Sarah York Jackson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Yorke_Jackson
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:15 PM
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32. I'm sorry, but given that most presidents today are millionaires, they can pay for that themselves.
IMO. The federal government is $12 trillion in debt, and just as with a personal budget, corners have to be cut somewhere and at some point. I think lifetime protection is an extravagance that was wisely curtailed and should not be reconsidered at this time. I suppose sometimes there could be exceptions, but the rule should be not to. We simply can't afford to continue spending all this money on these things.

You know I think it's weird how these people have been almost deified, as if they were pharaohs. They were people before they took office, they will always be people, and it isn't healthy in what is supposed to be a meritocratic system of democracy to place these politicians in positions of such reverence.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:22 PM
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35. So you agree with Ben Franklin that the President should be unpaid?
Now even Ben Franklin acknowledged an unpaid President means all you will ever have is Millionaire Presidents, he saw that as good, but most of the people of his own time period thought that was bad. Occasionally you need to have someone on top who is NOT a millionaire, most US Presidents would be classified as rich (The three Poorest were Andrew Johnson, William Clinton and Harry S Truman in that order, Johnson starting out as an uneducated taylor before he entered politics). Truman family would be called Millionaires today, but not at the time of his birth (The dollar has lost a lot of its value, Truman's family had money, probably richer then 90% of the people of his time period which would make him a millionaire today, but not at that time). Andrew Johnson had to e taught how to read and write by his wife, that is how poor was his family, could NOT even send him to school to learn to read and write. William Clinton's family was in the same class as Truman's, and like Truman's his parents lost a lot of money but still had the connections to get him into a good High School and then Harvard.

While most President have been "rich" we have had some poorer Presidents then others, Presidents that lost money (Jefferson died without the ability to free his slaves do to his debts i.e. his debts had to be paid first, even if that meant the selling of slaves he wanted to set free, thus Sally Hemming and her son's sale to his one friend who then freed her and her son). Historically Widows tend to get even less then their husband, no matter what was both spouses income while married. As I tried to show widows live a lot longer then their husbands. Some Husbands outlive their wives, but that is the exception to the general rule (Hoover and Jackson for example). Do we want Laura Bush to be living in a home where she is attacked in after the death of her husband? I would mention earlier first ladies but they are NOT affected by this rule Laura Bush will be the first. Some First ladies live 50 years afterwords, do you want to read about her being attacked in 2050 AD? I do NOT care how much you dislike her husband or even her, do you want her subject to attack without any ability to pay for protection? People hold long grudges and will go after wives when they can not go after their husband do we want to read that Laura was beaten to death by an intruder who wanted to get back at her husband for something that happened 20 years before? I am sorry, I do not want to read about such an attack and Secret Service protection should continue till the ex-president and his (or her, if a women is ever elected) spouse till their deaths,
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:36 PM
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38. LOL - I am actually probably the only member of DU who actually likes Laura Bush. But,
unless there are specific, concrete reasons why she needs extra protection (again, under some kind of 'special exception' rule), there is no reason to continue with extra security measures at taxpayers' expense, IMO. The world is not a plastic bubble; there are hazards to even simply getting out of bed in the morning. We may wish not to ever hear of misfortune befalling these people, but life itself is not happy, pappy world - it's up, down, up, down, up, down again. We elect these people to lead for a limited period of time, and then they go on with their own lives.

Further, I resent your appeal to extreme scenarios to justify extraordinary measures. It's similar to using 9/11 as justification for ripping up the Bill of Rights.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:21 PM
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34. He'll be in Paraguay by then anyway. He'll need military protection there.
The SS will be useless with their silly black suits and coily-cord earpieces.



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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:25 PM
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36. he'll probably have his own army by then . . .
after all, those Blackwater mercenaries are going to have to find something to do once Obama kicks their asses out of U.S. employ . . .

btw, thanks for the map . . .
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:27 PM
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37. Former President Bush hopes son Jeb will run for top job
WASHINGTON Perhaps so, says former President George H.W. Bush, who has already seen one son, George W., serve in the Oval Office. The nation's 41st president said Sunday that he would like to see a second son, Jeb, be president one day.

Jeb Bush is the current president's younger brother and a popular former governor of Florida. He is mulling a run for a Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla.

Asked in an interview about Jeb Bush's consideration of the Senate seat, Bush said: “I'd like to see him run. I'd like to see him be president someday.”


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/politics/story/452291.html

I just threw up a little in my mouth reading this.

Maybe the grand plan is to have a shrub in office forever going forward so they will all be covered by the SS eternally.


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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 07:40 PM
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39. Home not paid for by taxpayers, but taxpayers will pay to make it secure. I say, tell him we're out
of money, thanks to him. Therefore, he gets no Secret Service protection at all.

BTW, would that be ten years from January 20, 2009? Can someone please lend me a pen that writes in red ink?
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