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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:33 PM
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Navy creates force devoted to fighting pir
Source: CNN

(CNN) -- The U.S. Navy has started a force to battle pirates attacking ships in and near the Gulf of Aden off Somalia's coast, the U.S. Fifth Fleet said Thursday.

The unit -- called Combined Task Force 151 -- is a spinoff of an existing force in the region that addressed a range of security issues, such as drug smuggling and weapons trafficking, as well as piracy.

The Gulf of Aden links the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea. About 20,000 oil tankers, freighters and merchant vessels pass along the crucial shipping route each year near largely lawless Somalia.

The United States is among at least 20 countries that are trying to combat piracy in the region, including Russia, India, Germany and Iran. In December, German sailors foiled an attempt by pirates to hijack an Egyptian cargo ship off the coast of Yemen, according to the German Defense Ministry, and the European Union launched its first naval operation to protect vessels. That came just days after China revealed its own plans to patrol the Horn of Africa's volatile coastline.

Task Force 151 will be devoted solely to counterpiracy efforts, said Lt. Stephanie Murdock, a Fifth Fleet spokeswoman. The United States anticipates other nations joining the force "in the near future."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/01/08/piracy.task.force/index.html
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:18 PM
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1. What exactly is "pir"?
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:34 PM
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5. I think it was just a ploy to get you to read this thread
It worked on me
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:27 PM
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2. For the REAL definition of "pirates" and the circumstances surrounding them, see this link >>>
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 01:28 PM by Dover
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:38 PM
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6. thanks..
i was just going to try and find that.
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proud progressive Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:29 PM
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3. my compassionate side sees many of these pirates as nothing more than desperately poor folks.......
in a lawless world trying to survive, though be it, a wee-bit radical. any of us might do the same if our family was starving.
my now-diminished conservative side sees a bunch of thugs who must be stopped at any cost. hmmmmmmmm.....
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:39 PM
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7. I guarantee you if some country came into our fishing waters and dumped their toxic & nuclear waste
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 02:01 PM by Dover
(contaminating those fish AND our families) and then taking those fish,
AND our government was looking the other way while taking 'bribes',
you BET we'd become 'pirates', 'enemy combatants', or whatever label
you want to pin on people fighting for their lives and livelihoods.

What's REALLY happened off the coast of Somalia is ILLEGAL by international law
and ANY measure of moral responsibility.
And if we send our Navy to assist in the continuation of these illegal
practices then we are complicit. The 'pirates' here are the Swiss, Italian,
and Somalian governments/corporations and the Mafia.
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proud progressive Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:13 PM
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10. interesting perspective. not surprised by ANY gov taking bribes, but i am not aware of the fishing/
toxic waste issues. would not surprise me, though.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:36 PM
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13. read it here
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:38 PM
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14. OK.
DU, where the side of the pirates is taken with far less than a grain of salt.

Does that mean you support carjackers, kidnappers, shoplifters, bank robbers, hell any one who steals, is that ok oo?
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:30 PM
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4. Aren't Bush & Cheney Pirates too? nt
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:55 PM
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8. Oooh - good point !
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:57 PM
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9. Trying to kill the symptom rather than cure the problem....
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 01:58 PM by Dover
from the OP article:

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"The pirates are living between life and death," a pirate leader, identified by only one name, Boyah, told the Somali news organization Garowe Online late last year. CNN obtained the complete interview.

"Who can stop them?" Boyah said. "Americans and British all put together cannot do anything."

Boyah said that the piracy began because traditional coastal fishing became difficult after foreign fishing trawlers depleted local fish stocks. Traditional fishermen started attacking the trawlers until the trawler crews fought back with heavy weapons. The fishermen then turned to softer targets.

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Of course no mention of the illegal nuclear/toxic dumping and environmental disaster.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:56 PM
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11. Origins of Somali pirates ... posts from an earlier thread
JackRiddler
Sun Dec-07-08 05:16 PM

Origins of the Somali pirates: Western chemical dumping on the shore?

http://counterpunch.org/whitney12032008.html

There's an interesting subtext to the pirate story which appeared in a recent copy of the Socialist Worker. According to author Simon Assaf: "Many European, US and Asian shipping firms – notably Switzerland's Achair Partners and Italy's Progresso – signed dumping deals in the early 1990s with Somalia's politicians and militia leaders. This meant they could use the coast as a toxic dumping ground. This practice became widespread as the country descended into civil war.

Nick Nuttall of the UN Environment Programme said, "European companies found it was very cheap to get rid of the waste." When the Asian tsunami of Christmas 2005 washed ashore on the east coast of Africa, it uncovered a great scandal. Tons of radioactive waste and toxic chemicals drifted onto the beaches after the giant wave dislodged them from the sea bed off Somalia. Tens of thousands of Somalis fell ill after coming into contact with this cocktail. They complained to the United Nations (UN), which began an investigation. "There are reports from villagers of a wide range of medical problems such as mouth bleeds, abdominal hemorrhages, unusual skin disorders and breathing difficulties," the UN noted.

Some 300 people are believed to have died from the poisonous chemicals.

In 2006 Somali fishermen complained to the UN that foreign fishing fleets were using the breakdown of the state to plunder their fish stocks. These foreign fleets often recruited Somali militias to intimidate local fishermen. Despite repeated requests, the UN refused to act. Meanwhile the warships of global powers that patrol the strategically important Gulf of Aden did not sink or seize any vessels dumping toxic chemicals off the coast. So angry Somalis, whose waters were being poisoned and whose livelihoods were threatened, took matters into their own hands. Fishermen began to arm themselves and attempted to act as unofficial coastguards." (Socialist Worker)

The origins of piracy in Somalia is considerably different than the narrative in the media which perpetuates the stereotype of scary black men pillaging on the high seas. In fact, it is the pirates who are the victims of attacks on their territorial waters by corporate polluters. Because there is no functioning central government, there's no one to defend the health and safety of the Somali people from foreign intruders who choose to use their country as a dumping ground.


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MORE at link, including on the failure of US-backed Ethiopian invasion of Somalia.

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JackRiddler (1000+ posts)
Sun Dec-07-08 07:18 PM


8. When does CNN-CIA mention the other side of the story?

I mean, seriously, and in generally voiceless Africa even more so, when is it even implied that there is another side to the story than what the Western intel, states and corporations claim? When have you ever seen CNN talk about the significant role of non-African nations in creating the African problems, except for the occasional attack on China? The only thing Western actors are ever accused of is a lack of intervention, their actual interventions are never reported on.
No more conspiracy theory. Demand criminal investigation. 911 truth

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DonEBrook (506 posts)
Sun Dec-07-08 07:21 PM
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10. Makes sense. "Somebody dumped crap on our beach so let's become pirates."

Sounds like Grover Norquist reasoning.

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JackRiddler (1000+ posts)
Sun Dec-07-08 07:36 PM
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11. It's not about right or wrong.

I'm sure we both agree piracy is wrong.

But what happens shouldn't surprise you, when the country is invaded by a US-backed foreign power (Ethiopia) and used by the West as a dumping ground for toxic waste -- in itself a greater crime than the piracy, so why isn't it getting equal attention? It shouldn't surprise you, I say, that the people so treated develop a big fuck-you attitude to the world, and might seek to grab back whatever they can, including by crime.

If you're going to have an opinion, understanding the history of the issue should matter.

Did it make sense, when the US was hit by a small group of religious-extremist gangsters (according to official story of Sept. 11th), that the government responded by declaring a global war and invading at least one country that was in no way related to 9/11? And yet I bet you could, without condoning any of the US decisions, still understand the mentality and atmosphere that caused a majority of Americans (at first) to support these decisions. Now imagine that you were a Somali, possibly one who had lost relatives to US-armed invaders, or who was dying of toxic poisoning thanks to Swiss corporations... would you really think piracy was so horrible, compared to what had been done to you? Of course, this piracy might target someone innocent of wronging you, but maybe you're not too clear anymore on who's innocent, who's a legit target and who's not. Sort of like the Swiss and the Americans who fucked you.

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DonEBrook (506 posts)
Sun Dec-07-08 08:14 PM
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16. There is absolutely no doubt that criminals can invent any number of rationalizations.

That's hardly a new development. Whether someone chooses to accept them as legitimate depends entirely on the bias of the commentator.

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JackRiddler (1000+ posts)
Sun Dec-07-08 11:50 PM
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18. The relevant question for policy making isn't whether...

the rationalization for the pirates is right or wrong, but if there would have been pirates if Somalia were not for so many years plundered, destabilized, used as a toxic dumping ground, and most recently invaded by Ethiopia at US request. I think, clearly, not. Again, this isn't to excuse the pirates but to point out that piracy has its causes and history, and those complaining loudest now are denying their own countries' role in creating the conditions.

It's like increased poverty and street crime. There's no poverty excuse for the criminal, but the policymaker who acts in ways that will increase poverty knows the statistical relationship and bears responsibility for causing the rise.

Also, I'm wondering if you'll address this point: which is the greater crime? Dumping toxic waste on poor people in another country, or piracy? Engineering an invasion of that country, or piracy?

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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:32 PM
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12. i remember
a couple of weeks ago when the Indians and Chinese were getting ready to fight (or fighting) the Somali pirates, folks here at DU were frothing at the mouth with congratulations and cheers. now that the US Navy is preparing for the same activity, it's met with derision.

Why is that?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:56 PM
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15. If there actually were DUers 'frothing at the mouth' (whose posts I'd like to see)
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 04:07 PM by Dover
it's very likely they were uniformed about the whole story, and were simply buying the msm propaganda (which is anything BUT comprehensive). If you've read the posts and the links in this
thread and still find the DU response confusing, perhaps you need a new pair of glasses, a reading comprehension course, or you work for some group trying to squash this information.
If that seems unfair, maybe there is some other reason for your own response that
hasn't already been addressed in this thread. In that case, please present your case. Is there
reliable information which refutes the illegal dumping of toxic waste and the depletion of their
fishing waters, or any other aspect of the story that you feel has been misrepresented by DUers?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 05:36 PM
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16. Well, good, because I'm against pir.
What has pir ever done for us?

Arrgh, we should set some pirates on pir, not just the Navy.
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