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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:39 PM
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Pa. Boy, 11, Charged With Killing Pregnant Woman
Source: Associated Press

Police: Boy, 11, charged with killing pregnant woman found shot in western Pennsylvania
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI Associated Press Writer
WAMPUM, Pa. February 21, 2009 (AP)

An 11-year-old boy has been charged in the death of a pregnant woman who was found shot in a bedroom of her western Pennsylvania farmhouse, police said Saturday.

A statement from state police said the boy was charged with criminal homicide and criminal homicide of an unborn child in the killing of 26-year-old Kenzie Marie Houk. The victim was 8 months pregnant.

The statement said the boy had been arraigned in District Court and placed in the Lawrence County jail.

Officers couldn't immediately say Saturday whether the boy and the woman were related and wouldn't give any other details.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=6928605
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:42 PM
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1. so ... the psycho RWers going to demand the death penalty?
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zombiezneedluv2 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:10 PM
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3. So that's the best you can do as a remark?
Why does everything come back to another political party? Sheesh...I never saw so much duality in my life!

It must be neat and easy putting everyone in their little compartments, eh?
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webDude Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:10 PM
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10. Agreed. Someone got killed, the one who shot her screwed up...
... his life and countlles others. This is not some parlor game of who can be the most cynical.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:51 PM
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2. If the fetus had been carrying a gun, this wouldn't have happened.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:14 PM
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4. You totally owe me a new keyboard.
:spray: :loveya:
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:24 PM
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5. I actually feel sorry for the gun involved
Guns don't exist to kill people. People force the unwitting death tools into perpetrating these unspeakable tragedies. Then the poor, hapless guns will get the blame! (Reich-Wing thinking)

:crazy:
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:05 PM
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9. But a woman is dead?
No mention of that? :shrug:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 04:19 PM
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12. Yes she is dead.
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 04:21 PM by LisaL
I presume when someone is charged with KILLING of a pregnant woman, the woman is dead.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 05:42 PM
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13. Quite callous of baldguy to not mention that and make light of this tragedy, I agree with you.
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:43 PM
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6. Wampam is a quiet community where this sort of thing rarely happens.
It is a tragedy for everyone concerned. Her family and the boys family.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:03 PM
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8. It was especially a tragedy for the dead woman.
Not necessarily directed to you, but it's still okay to think the killing of a woman is a terrible event. :(

Why does politics, etc, always have to be brought into the mix?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:29 PM
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21. Politics and poor attempts at "humor"
nothing funny or political about this. :-(
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:55 PM
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7. The woman was his father's fiancee
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 03:04 PM by rocktivity
Relatives said the youngster shot 26-year-old Kenzie Houk in her bed in the family's farmhouse in Wampum, Pa., because he was envious of the couple's unborn son, due in two weeks.

Distraught family told the Daily News that cops said the boy shot Houk sometime around 8 a.m. Friday with his own youth-model shotgun. He then calmly caught the bus to school...His father...was at work at the time.

"Chris was paying more attention to Kenzie and the new boy coming along so he was upset..." said a...relative...

link

Upset? He's eleven, not five. I don't think the baby was the target--I think Kenzie was. The baby plus a marriage would have made her the "official" and permanent mommy, and that's what the boy couldn't tolerate.

:(
rocktivity
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russ1943 Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:08 AM
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14. Isn't that precious.
the boy shot Houk sometime around 8 a.m. Friday with his own youth-model shotgun.
His own ?
Youth model shotgun ?

Dad or some other responsible(?) adult couldn't think of anything better to buy an eleven year old?


To the gungeon.
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marksmithfield Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:31 AM
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15. Here we go again
You forgot to mention he had a big gun to make up for his 11yr old penis.
A child that disturbed could have just as easily stabbed her to death in her sleep.
In the real world it is not uncommon to give your child a youth model shotgun. The stock is shorter to better fit their reach. Why don't you worry about the dead mother and baby rather than pushing the anti-gun agenda?
The jealousy that triggered this event is not uncommon, and unfortunately it leads to this type of situation.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:59 AM
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16. She could have fought off a knife attack
It is irresponsible to leave guns unlocked around children. We can take a wild guess and assume the boy was demonstrably troubled before this event.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:57 AM
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19. Right, because nobody's ever killed by a knife.
Particularly not when they're attacked by surprise, from someone they trusted.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:44 AM
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18. In the real world?? I don't know what world you live in but in
my world 11 year olds don't handle guns. Unfortunate situation?? An 11 year old with free access to any gun is unfortunate indeed.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 07:37 PM
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22. I'm certainly not anti-gun but I think when you have kids around
you have to lock up the guns and/or the ammo. This kid had a 4 year old sister. I would never trust a child around guns without adult supervision for several reasons. Kids temperments can be volatile and kids are also curious.
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marksmithfield Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 08:01 AM
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28. Safe storage of guns around children is a must,
but teaching the child safe gun handling is just as important. Supervision during shooting activity's is a must also.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:10 AM
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33. Well the kid did know how to handle a gun
And probably was drilled in gun safety. Two weeks before he won a turkey shoot with that shotgun which I understand from local news stories was a Xmas gift.
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marksmithfield Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:33 PM
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38. Obviously he is disturbed then
and this was not a case of a curius child getting his hands on a loaded weapon
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marksmithfield Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:56 AM
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27. I take it you live in a city.
11-12 is the usual age to give a boy his first rifle. Usually a single shot .22 or if the family likes bird hunting, a shotgun in 16 or 20 Ga. This is part of our heritage, and not unusual in the least.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:58 PM
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20. Meanwhile, they're trying to ban candy cigarettes
'cause they pose a danger to our children.

Please! Think of the children!

:sarcasm:
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:56 PM
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11. Boyfriends son.
State Police Lt. Steve Ignatz told KDKA-TV that the 26-year-old Houk was found shot to death in a bedroom of her New Beaver Borough farmhouse Friday by her youngest daughter who just turned five years old.

She was the mother of two daughters, and her boyfriend, who also lived at the farmhouse, had an 11-year-old son.

http://kdka.com/local/Pregnant.woman.murder.2.940278.html
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:12 AM
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17. If the victim or her fetus had been armed, peferably with one
of them there new fangled automatics,
they could have defended theirselves.:eyes:
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 07:42 PM
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23. He should suffer the same fate , be restrained in a bed and shot in the back of the head ....
Murderers should have no mercy , they did not show any for their victims , and age is just a number in this case , if you are capable of doing this , you are not 11 years old anymore , you are a monster
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:44 PM
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24. An 11 year old is not a monster. eom
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:55 PM
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25. Yes , he can be .
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 08:19 AM
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30. I don't agree with the poster, but an 11-year-old boy can be a monster
And, I think this one is most definitely a sociopath. I expect he'll do something to someone else whenever he is released in the future. You can't counsel or rehab sociopaths.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:51 AM
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31. You're right; he's a MURDERING monster who knew the consequences...
of his actions.
He wanted the woman dead...so he killed her.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:53 PM
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37. An 11 year old
who purposely murders his father's girlfriend can be a monster.

We don't know all the circumstances behind this. Perhaps there was abuse or extenuating circumstances that we don't know about. Or perhaps he was a monstrous kid.

EIther way, this situation is terribly sad for everyone involved.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:31 PM
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26. Sure, just like all those "monster" child "soldiers" worldwide and "gangstas"...
:sarcasm:
:puke:
:crazy:
:cry:
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marksmithfield Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 08:14 AM
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29. Agreed
to a point, this kid is probably rehabilitatable (not a real word, but I'm taking pain pills right now and can't think of the right one)through counseling and drugs. but he should be in an institution till he's 21 and monitored from then on. But as far as your theory I fully agree. This mamby pamby crap with the lethal injection is a joke. these monsters should get one trial one appeal and then dragged out behind the courthouse and given the same treatment their victim received. In the case of multiple witnesses the trial should just be a quick matter of paperwork. In the case of multiple victims, I guess we should be lenient and only execute them once.
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:06 AM
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32. What a sad story all around.
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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:23 AM
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34. better just to rid him of society
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 11:25 AM by BigD_95
Not like he will ever be a productive member of society now.

hopefully death row doesnt last to long and we have to waste a lot of tax money on him.



with that being said he needs a fair trial incase there was some kind of abuse going on
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:30 AM
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35. update here with mugshot and picture of the victim with her daughters, sorry bout the source
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:42 PM
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36. What would this boy have done if he did not have access to a gun?
not as much damage, I reckon.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:53 PM
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39. The next common weapons of opportunity
would be a large kitchen knife or baseball bat. Probably same outcome taking a minute longer.

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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 04:00 PM
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40. He probably would have used a butcher knife. He planned
what he was going to do. She had told friends that he had told her he was going to kill her. The only reason she was not worried about the threats was that he was just a kid. But kids can be devious. One of my best friends lives in Wampam and most people there either know her or his father. I can't even imagine what that man is going through right now.
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