WI: Those unhappy with property tax decision talk of recall

[RetroLounge]

Recall Jim Doyle?

Perhaps it is a stretch, and a bit early, but the "r" word was in the air Sunday when 200 people rallied to decry the Wisconsin governor's recent decision to veto Republican lawmakers' proposed limits on property tax increases.

"I would like to get rid of the man as soon as possible," Carolyn Casser, 73, of Wauwatosa said of the Democratic governor.

Several participants said Doyle had lied to them when he promised during his campaign that he wouldn't raise taxes, and that he had merely "passed the buck" to local officials instead. A few even held signs that called the governor "Gray" Doyle, a reference to embattled California Gov. Gray Davis, who faces a recall in his financially troubled state, where the projected deficit is $38 billion.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jul03/158184.asp

These Repugs are shameless. They left our state in a shambles after 14 years of Repug Governors and left us with a huge deficit, and now because they lost the election, they want a recall? Amazing...

[pfitz59]

1. Democracy in inaction.

Sound like a 3 year-old having temper tantrums! Insanity!

[DakotaDemocrat]

2. If a Dem did it, its bad, but if * did it...

"and that he had merely "passed the buck" to local officials instead."

Sounds like what Bush did to the states. Recall this... :hurts:

[salin]

3. This is the NEW GOP modus operandi: Democracy sucks - overturn the

election now! By any means available!

[zekeson]

4. Geez, if WI can do it, maybe MN should take out Pawlenty

I don't think we have a recall measure available, but we can cite a lot of Pawlenty passing the back to local juridiction, as well as families of the poor and disabled. Oh yeah, "Aw-shucks" Timmy seems to have his had in several cookie jars - corruption appears rampant in his admin.

That said, its a horrible way to run government. It ain't right in CA, it wouldn't be right in WI. If you don't like policies democracy dictates you wait it out until the next election. I know, that democracy thing is a novel concept to the Repugglies...

[LeftHander]

5. Small group of Repugs

They don not represent most of WI. In fact most people are now aware that former Gov. McAllum's mismanagment of the state is the result of WI budget woes. He wasn't a good manager of Madison. He let the repukes get out of control in State Government. Where Tommy T. was able to keep them in line and built consensus rather than division. Doyle is in a tough situation but he did the right thing to veto the tax freeze. The schools are hurting and the idea of "passing the buck" is stupid. Jackasses like Mark Belling and that other Nazi Charlie Sykes have been loud and continuous ditto heads of Neocon values for the past two years. There are some issues with shared revenue that Repugs can't deal with. Basically they argue that shared revenue takes money away from local taxes and allows the state to funnel it to Milwuakee iner city programs

What they are REALLY saying is that they don't want thier tax dollars going from WHITE SUBURBIA to BLACK inner city.

That is the argument. Which is totally empty because the fate of WI is directly tied to the fate of Milwaukee. If it goes under so will the rest of the state. The vast majority of WI economy passes through Milwaukee. So any money shifted via shared over to Milwaukee for social programs is not a waste but an investment in thew future.

Unfortunatley racist rural Wisconsin keeps calling the shots in Madison and the stinking' rag Journal Sentinal is quick to help promote that neocon crap. Case in point 5000 people protested against the Iraq war last winter and the Journal spent as more time covering pro-war wackos and Clear CHannel bullshit events than the anti-war protests.

JSOnline is owned by Journal COmmunications which owns WISN 620 Talk radio, WTMJ TV (W - Touch My Jock) and the Journal Sentinal (Used to be two papers on liberal on conservative.) So they alreaady control a ton of media in Milwaukee and SE Wisconsin. Sykes and Belling are heard all over WISN which is the station the Packers, Brewers, Bucks and Badgers broadcast on. So they have a lock on the listeners in SE WI.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

7. Sorry to here about the racists in the boondocks...

and that they are controlling what happens to a majority of the people in your state. Sounds like California doesn't it. A few ding dongs don't like what is happening so they want to overturn an election!!!
Typical REPUG CRAP!!!!!!!!

[sybylla]

8. Careful, guys

I live in the aforementioned boondocks. It really isn't all that bad out here, probably not much different that Milwaukee. Yes, the county I live in tends to vote repug in state and local elections. But you can't blame them for their ignorance. There is no media to speak of out here. The radio and tv stations/programming are conservative. There are five weekly papers in the county whose only coverage of politics is on the editorial page. There are very few dissenting views out here. Most of the "ding-dongs", are reasonable people who really don't care about politics until an issue like this comes up.

The one thing which sells in every election is how the people in Madison and Milwaukee want to tell everyone else in the state how to live, how to govern themselves and to whom to make out the check. We need to be careful that this recall doesn't get traction on that very same line of thinking.

Yes, our state has problems, but you can't lay them entirely on the rural rubes. Repugs couldn't win in statewide elections if it weren't for Milwaukee's conservative suburbs.

[sybylla]

6. Not to mention...

"These Repugs are shameless. They left our state in a shambles after 14 years of Repug Governors and left us with a huge deficit, and now because they lost the election, they want a recall? Amazing..."


Doyle hasn't broken his promise regarding taxes. State level taxes are not going up. This is a repuke canard. Because he vetoed their irresponsible freeze on local taxes that would force local governments to absorb the costs for 16 years of repug mismanagement, they are trying to make him responsible for what the local governments do.

Absolutely bogus and shameful. Hopefully, the reactionaries and the media won't buy it.

[w4rma]

9. This is why we must stand together to make sure that Davis is not recalled

We can't have new elections every year, and Republicans can afford to do this ad nausium.

[Muddleoftheroad]

10. I don't like it

But if it is legal, then it IS part of the democratic process.

[study_war_no_more]

12. reflections of something rotton

The Republican revolution was not televised but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We have to move on to post revolution tactics and consider the country occupied.

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. No we don't

If their actions are within the law or the constitutional framework then they are merely politics. It's like fund-raising. We can't gripe about their fund-raising if they obey the law.

[Capn Sunshine]

11. THIS IS HAPPENING SOONER THAN I THOUGHT

This is a concerted strategy , applied from a national level, to take over all D statehouses. It is the first call in a battle plan laid out by Grover Norquist and calls for nothing less thanthe complete destruction of the Democratic party

http://www.americanwatchdog.org/gop.htm

Whatever you do in WI, don't sit on your hands! Get aggressive and in public about this ASAP.

We in California welcome you to the battle.
:nuke:

[RetroLounge]

14. A little background on Wisconsin Recalls

From my understanding:

I believe this started with the recall of Milwaukee County Exec Tom Ament for a huge pension fund fiasco. He deserved to go, but instead of resigning, he stayed around. and instead of waiting for an election, a group of "grassroots" citizens formed a group to recall him, which it did, and lo and behold, they turned out to be a front for Republican Scott Walker who runs and becomes the next County Exec. Then this groups asks for and gets an office in the County Building.

They are also working on a recall of State Democratic Representative Gary George.

and many of the same people are behind this talk of recall for Governor Doyle.

Republicans don't like elections they can't fix or steal...

[Poiuyt]

15. Tommy's fault

When Tommy Thompson was governor here, he built up a big deficit but hid it with creative accounting. McCallum wasn't able to fix it and now Doyle is stuck with the mess. Thompson was a great cheerleader for the state, but not the best at fiscal management (in spite of saying he that he was).