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47of74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:55 AM Original message |
Ron Paul: Secession is American |
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Puzzler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. Can you imagine the media "outrage" if a Democrat had said the same thing? |
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47of74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Probably every empty headed right wing talker out there... |
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Puzzler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Absolutely they would... without a doubt. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
74. Well, why shouldn't they? After all, it is. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. "Love it or leave it!"; that's what they kept saying to everyone else. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. I think he makes a good point, to wit: |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. No, it is not a valid argument. The individual American colonies were not to England as |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. nope, not true... the 'united states' are just that: united |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Sorry, no. The Constitution re: insurrection proves Paul is full of it. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
55. Texas vs. White |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Thank you. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Please tell me which US law allows for states to secede. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Founding documents don't support that conclusion |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. The insurrection clause of the COTUS clearly shows the Framers did not |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:31 AM Original message |
Let's put it to a vote then... |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
76. Uh, some of us in Texas might possibly have a problem with that. |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
29. How about this then: It is ILLEGAL. Paul being from Texas, his state |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #29 |
90. This basically puts the final nails in the Ron Paul coffin, as |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. The condition where they are not united is when they are in a condition of |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. We settled this already. It's called the Civil War. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. you think that's singular? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. By all means, try to get your state to secede and see what happens. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Civil War is not singular? United States means temporarily? LOL, what dictionary are you using? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Apparently he thinks he's in the Confederacy or something. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. The full name of the Articles of Conferation included the words "perpetual union." Pretty much |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
61. Notice how quickly ixion disappeared once we all shot down his "argument". |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. .. |
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crankmob (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
31. ..that sweet spot where the government fears it's people |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Except it's not really |
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crankmob (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. What if the establishment no longer allows the "people" to be the government? |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. well, that is still the fault of the people, imo |
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crankmob (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Working within the system has failed for over 30 years.. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. "Every taxpayer in this country was just robbed blind by parasites that contribute NOTHING..." |
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crankmob (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. So everyone that's concerned about banks gambling away tax dollars w/o oversight is a teabagger? |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. no, I just was not sure to which group you were assigning your label |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
87. I think the poster was talking about banks and CEO's and the like |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Then the people may rise up and change the government - |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. IMO, that ship sailed and continues to sail, in all but a technical sense. We get to vote, |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
85. Then it's dysfunctional. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Let me know when we were considered part of the United Kingdom. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #37 |
91. And could Mr. Paul explain the "secession" of former Soviet Republics? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
3. He supports America so much, he wants to leave it! |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
4. Leaving America is American? |
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Moonwalk (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. Leaving British Rule was American. However, Abe Lincoln pointed out quite rightly that-- |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
12. Secession is only acceptable if a nation doesn't believe it needs to control the state |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. The issue is not whether you have a problem with secession. Or whether Texans care |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
88. You do understand the totality of effect of seccession, right? |
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boomerbust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
13. Silly Little Rebels |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. I don't see why it shouldn't be an option free from military involvement |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Lovely notion |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Yeah, we live in the on-going culmination of thousands of years of history, complexity, and momentum |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. The laws of your state provide for divorce. They did not always do so, but they do now. The laws |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. "rule of law" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. Gawd! If you're going to be that cynical...come sit by me. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. I didn't start here, |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. "They did not always do so" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
67. I resent your implying that I am a little crazy. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
22. Lincoln would tell Ron Paul and Gov. Perry to get bent. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Maybe Lincoln would have consented in Perry's case. No law says the |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
26. Someone show me in the Consitution where it says |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. No, it is not silent on the issue. Look at what it says about insurrection. Lincoln |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
28. HEAR THAT DU'ers??? He's a fucking nut job... just like I've been saying for FIVE YEARS. |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
89. Ron Paul was liked primarily because of his views on Iraq. |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
32. I wish Andrew Jackson was here!! |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
33. Ron Paul is a wack-a-doodle. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
34. Did you ever drive thru Texas??? A good part of the state IS THIRD WORLD. |
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boomerbust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
38. Secession becomes an issue |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
40. Once again Ron Paul shows the world that he's a class A nut job......nt |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. No kidding!!! I honestly believe he's ready for a nursing home. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
45. Rob Paul seceded from the world of sanity a long time ago. |
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47of74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. As have most of the Republican party. |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
46. as someone said on the radio this morning ... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Would they even have to contend with the Mexican military? |
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Moonwalk (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. I doubt they'd annex themselves to Mexico. But you make a good point.... |
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aikanae (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
48. It'd be a dream come true |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. If you think Pakistan as a troubled government with nuclear weapons is worrisome |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
78. Oak Ridge is in Texas? Since when? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Dang, I can't edit the correction into the post. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I agree that sane people wouldl prefer Texas wingnuts not to have nuclear weapons |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
86. That already happened. |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. Big difference between an agreed to dissolution of a partnership |
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bamacrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
51. Crazy. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
60. What the fuck are these treasonous bastards doing to Lincoln's fucking party?!?!?! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Lincoln Republicans (no, not Log Cabin Republicans) began turning Democratic |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. They're proving it's not Lincoln's party any more |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
70. So is leaving for "freedom." |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
71. We'd just invade it. They've got oil, after all. nt |
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UpInArms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
72. hey Ron! Send back that paycheck from the taxpayers of the USofA! |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
73. Oh, yes it is: American history. And it was made firmly history by a little war, over 600K dead. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
79. There's an even greater American tradition: being nutty as a fruitcake! |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
80. See ya! Don't let the door hit you on the way out. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-21-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. Ron ain't so bad, |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
92. If Texas were to secede |
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