Carradine may have died from sex act: Thai police

[HopeHoops]

Source: AFP via Yahoo! News

BANGKOK (AFP) – US actor David Carradine may have died from a sex act gone wrong, Thai police said Friday, as they probed the evidence after the "Kung Fu" star was found hanged in his Bangkok hotel room.

A maid at a luxury hotel in the Thai capital where he was staying found Carradine hanging naked and bound in a closet Thursday morning, they said. He was 72.

"There was a rope tied around his neck and another rope tied at his sex organ, and the two ropes were tied together and hung in the closet," police commander Lieutenant General Worapong Siewpreecha told reporters.

"Under these circumstances we cannot be sure that he committed suicide but he may have died from masturbation," he said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090605/wl_asia_afp/entertainmentfilmpeopleusthailand_11

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Okay, that's a little disturbing, but I prefer that to thinking he would kill himself.

[Happyhippychick]

1. I had a feeling it was something like that. Hanging naked in a closet in Thailand - uh....

doesn't sound right.

[Ian David]

2. Oddly, he never covered autoerotic asphyxiation on "Wild West Tech."

[hlthe2b]

3. I'm frankly not sure how "that is better...

thank thinking he would kill himself".... I'm just sorry he is dead. I enjoyed his work

[HopeHoops]

4. I just meant that it didn't fit him.

By all accounts, he was in a good mood and enthusiastic about the movie he was working on. He had a long successful career and to think he would kill himself was almost as sad as the death itself. I'm deeply upset that he died, but an accident is easier to handle.

[hlthe2b]

8. Supposedly, this is how the lead singer of INXS died years ago

I appreciate the importance of sex in our lives and that it may be far more important for some.... but the need to pursue that satisfaction via auto-erotic asphyxiation is something I just will never be able to understand.

[latebloomer]

10. Agree- it's hard to fathom

how somebody visiting Thailand, where sex workers are a dime a dozen, would choose this method of pleasure.

But people are quirky, and have their own needs and wants- it's just tragic that it wound up killing him.

[SkyDaddy7]

17. I think one should have a partner for such risky acts?

...Saftey first!!!

[happyslug]

30. In most such cases, he had two partners

Generally in these cases the dead man had hired two prostitutes to commit lesbian acts in front of him while his balls and neck are tied. The man hangs off the chair for maximum pressure on his wind pipe when he starts to pass out he goes back on the chair (Standing both ways) and then back and froth. The problem is sometime the man kicks the chair completely away and chokes to death. THe two prostitutes try to lift him up, but can't and he dies. Told to me by a Police Officer after he had gone through training in regards to investigation murders and other deaths. It is uncommon but occur frequently enough that Police are taught about it in classes regarding how to investigates homicides.

This is what appears to have happen to Carridine, an accident but his body was to heavy for the women to undo as he hanged there by the one rope.

[SkyDaddy7]

31. Scary!!!

[kimmerspixelated]

48. Oh, My God!

[Scurrilous]

34. Cartoonist Vaughn Bodé died this way also.

Strange way to go....

[kentauros]

36. Yeah, he was the other one to come to mind for this.

It's sad that people do that for a little bit of temporary sexual stimulation.

[kimmerspixelated]

47. Agreed!

With so many toys available, seems like something safe would satisfy. You'd think a man his age would've realized he had a dangerous problem he should take care of, and done so by now. I thought he was spiritual in real life.

[liberalmuse]

5. I told my friend yesterday this is likely what happened.

It sounded a lot like the way Michael Hutchence died. :(

[DemReadingDU]

6. CNN: one rope was yellow, the other was black

A member of the emergency crew who was called to the hotel after a maid found Carradine told CNN that a yellow nylon rope was tied around the actor's neck and a black rope was around his genitals. Police later confirmed that information.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/06/05/carradine.death/index.html

[Lint Head]

7. Carradine was an odd individual. There was always something

just below the surface in all of his roles that you can see in the attitudes of his characters. I had the feeling he was into metaphysical concepts and practices. :dem:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. Uh, this sort of sex isn't considered a metaphycial practice

I've been into mysticism for over 40 years, and even Tantric yoga isn't about this.

[leftyladyfrommo]

57. That's what I thought, too.

He couldn't have been too into eastern stuff if he was doing that stuff.

[devinkay]

9. Insurance

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe most life insurance includes a clause that denies claims involving suicide. Accidental death of course is covered.

[lynne]

22. Only within a specific time frame -

- life policies exclude death by suicide if it occurs within 1 or 2 years after inception of the policy. It's covered after that time. At age 72, its doubtful he had a new life policy. Not to mention that he probably didn't need one given his successful career.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

54. Most people with money take out extensive life insurance policies to protect their estate

Especially, as they get older.

But you're right about the suicide clause with most carriers.

[bigworld]

11. Gotta be the most embarrassing, yet happiest, way to go.

[latebloomer]

12. I dunno- could have been pretty bad at the end

Be better to go how Nelson Rockefeller did- of a heart attack during sex- as Richard Pryor said, "He came and went at the same time."

[ensho]

27. happiness! that's ridiculous

nt

[LibertyLover]

14. I confess that was what came to my mind

when I heard that the rope was tied around his neck and "other organs" as the radio announcer delicately phrased it.

[Botany]

15. He died in and as he was doing "Bangkok"

n/t

[AngryOldDem]

16. Not surprised. n/t

[rocktivity]

18. The mentioned that ropes were tied around "other parts of his body" yesterday

I didn't see him committing suicide, but I couldn't imagine him being murdered, either. I'm almost relieved that it was an accident.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[tinrobot]

19. "He may have died from masturbation,"

At least he didn't go blind.

[olddad56]

21. I think if you could die from masturbation, I'd been dead by 14.

[razorman]

20. If I ever reach the age of 72, I hope I can die during a sex act.

[old mark]

23. I have a little over 10 years to go till 72, and I agree with you -

beats hell out of cancer....

mark

[Cha]

32. Well, you're not

"old mark", then.:)

[old mark]

39. 61 is older than I thought I'd ever be - I'm very happy to be here.

With luck, I will be 62 in August.

mark

[mule_train]

24. one night in bankok makes the tough guys tumble

Can't be too careful with your company

[Swede]

26. .

:spank:

[mule_train]

58. not much between despair and ecstacy nt

[mule_train]

60. hard to believe that song's 25 years old - youtube video link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnqj31VPNoE

[ensho]

25. isn't hanging yourself in order to have an orgasm a mental condition?

and to those on this thread who, in old age, would like to die having an orgasm caused by hanging -

how bizarre.

perhaps and hopefully, they are joking.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

33. Not that I've ever heard

It's an old, old sexual practice that originally was used to "treat" erectile issues in men in the 17th century.

It is however dangerous and a more extreme sexual practice. But that doesn't make it a mental illness. :shrug:

[ensho]

35. good grief - I didn't know the history - where can this history be found

a book, article?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

38. For your reading pleasure

New Directions in Sex Therapy By Peggy J. Kleinplatz

[pokerfan]

45. wikipedia says

Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.

The erotic interest in asphyxiation is classified as a paraphilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association. Psychiatrist Joseph Merlino stated that it meets the criteria for a disorder "because it has the potential for lethality or serious injury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation

[shanti]

37. exactly

72 is a bit old to still be doing the freaky sex things.....IN MY OPINION.

[TrogL]

42. Why?

I have every intention of doing freaky sex things as long as I have a working prostate and/or functional anal touch receptors.

[shanti]

51. probably...

because at 53, i don't feel particularly sexy anymore, and can't imagine that changing in 20 years! ;)

[guitar man]

50. not to me

Hey, I'd much rather go doing some kind of freaky sex thing than dribbling banana pudding down my chin in a crap filled Depends ;)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

55. How is that a mental condition?

It's just a kink, albeit a potentially rather dangerous one.

[mule_train]

61. and the next thing you see is St Peter at his gate shaking his finger at you

then you know you're in REAL trouble

[Richard D]

28. I predict . . .

. . . it's going to turn into a murder investigation soon.

[clixtox]

56. Absolutely "ditto"!

This whole quick, tawdry, sensational, and altogether unlikely conclusion is stunningly convenient for the already severely battered Thai tourist industry, the prime, major single component of the Thai economy.

The Thai police and "Justice" system have a justified international reputation as being opaque and blatantly corrupt from the bottom to the very top echelons,

No doubt in my mind that the intense pressure to avoid any scandal related to the widespread crime perpetrated against tourists, especially sex tourists, which would further negatively impact the vital tourism industry, made the auto-erotic related accidental strangulation fiction necessary.

The fact that this occurred in Bangkok, Thailand, perhaps the most wide-open brothel culture in the world, further tends to make the "Accidental" possibility incredibly unlikely. The ready availability of almost any type of sexual gratification, (sexual depravities are somewhat less readily available, not much though, tragically), is tolerated even in a 5 star controlled access hotel,

I doubt that this can be swept under the rug for long. The Thai authorities have no idea how iconic the Carradine family, and David especially, are for many millions of fans around the world.

[Odin2005]

29. He came and went and the same time?

[old mark]

40. Might we say

"easy come, easy go"?

mark

[AngryAmish]

41. He died doing what he loved - just like Elvis

[qb]

43. Damn. If I were into that kind of thing I would make sure I had some kind of break-away device

to prevent accidental hanging. They make them for dog collars.

[superconnected]

44. It's likely suicide. Usually the auto erotica way is done with a belt around someones neck

while they're lying in bed so they can release it when they are ready too.

Doing while hanging is extra work and a suicidal thing to do. How was he supposed to come out of it? He wasn't it was suicide.

I've never tried this and will never try it. I dumped a guy for suggesting it.

[kimmerspixelated]

49. I would too.

I think the whole thing is creepy. People with sex and danger going on in their heads at the same time, should be avoided.

[create.peace]

46. TMI.....

[truthisfreedom]

52. Okay, kids, before you all rush off to try this at home...

be sure you have a spotter. When you're 72 and you can masturbate while nearly unconscious, you're a pretty lucky fucker.

[pitohui]

53. spotter/safewords etc. are pretty much of no value in breath play

you can be gone before the other person realizes that there is a problem, it's that fast and because it is so blissful there are not necessarily any signs of distress (so having the other person there might just be putting your partner, who you might care about at least as a person and a friend, at some risk of prosecution)

i think there's a big difference between suicide and death from breath play, a person committing suicide is unhappy and in a state of desperation, but the person who goes out from breath play is going out happy and prob. never realizes what hit them

i will not experiment further w. breath play, choking etc. but not because it's a terrible way to go out, it's probably one of the best ways there is to go out, when i look at how many relatives i have who have gone out after years of terrible suffering being kept alive without a brain (alzheimer's etc)

the main reason to avoid breath play is if something happens you would not want your play partner to be charged w/ murder/manslaughter and it's just too easy to get in that swoony state where you do not even care what is happening

*if* another person was involved, then i seriously doubt carradine would want that person's life disrupted or destroyed, so it's for the best to put the accident down to masturbation

accidents do happen and it's a shame he passed while he still had so much work to do BUT he went out at the top of his game and probably in a state of bliss

we all have to leave this world, and i don't think leaving the world at the height of your fame, with the world at your feet, at age 72 during orgasm is one of the worst

hell, to earn such a pleasant death, maybe he did achieve some state of enlightenment, who knows? there is the path of excess, as william blake once said...

[ensho]

59. but the pleasure only lasts for a few minutes!

and afterward if you are lucky you are still alive or . . . .dead. for a few minutes of pleasure?

[mule_train]

62. Pee Wee Herman 'Hey, I just killed my career over this'

doesn't seem so bad now