Governor run on former Mayor Rudy Giuliani's mind, says top ally Pete King

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: NY Daily News

BY Kenneth Lovett
DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU CHIEF

Tuesday, August 25th 2009, 4:00 AM

ALBANY - A close ally of Rudy Giuliani said Monday night that he believes it's "better than 50-50" that the former mayor will run for governor.

"We've spoken on and off this year about it and my impression was always that he was not intent on running, but after our breakfast ... I would say he's definitely leaning toward it," said Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.).

Others close to Giuliani said he will likely make his mind up in the fall.

"I think he's leaning more toward it all the time," one source said. "Is he 90-10? I don't think so. He's more like 70-30. He has to decide if he wants to put himself through this again."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/08/25/2009-08-25_gov_run_on_rudys_mind_sez_top_ally.html

[pjt7]

1. Rudy will go to jail if he

tries to stick his neck to far above ground.

[hobbit709]

2. Just what NY and the world needs-NOT!

[WriteDown]

6. Say what you want about Rudy, but....

he was the best mayor NYC ever had. Being a teen in the city in the 70's and then seeing the turn-a-round he oversaw is absolutely incredible. Many people don't remember what NYC USED to be like.

[No Elephants]

9. "Best" is a matter of opinion in this context. A lot of folks, in and out of NYC, including the

first responders--consider him the scum of the earth. He was the one candidate for the Presidency the firefighter's union did not invite to address it--and most of its rank and file is Republican.

Then there are his choices of employees. A priest whom the Catholic Church won't even pay--guess why--Bernard Kerik, whom he recommended for Homeland Security, telling Bushco they did not even need to vet him.

Then, his vain decision to put the city's emergency response center in the WTC after everyone told him it was going to be attacked again. Those photos of him walking that area on 9-11? According to the NY press, he was trying to cobble something together because the City's Emergency Response Center was no longer.

And moving his what third or fourth wife into City Hall with his wife and kids? Funny the people who bash John Edwards, yet think Rudy's fine.

Oh, yeah, Rudy's a prince.

[WriteDown]

10. As far as what he did for the city...

he is the best IMHO. When I was younger, NYC was like something out of a Tim Burton movie.

[No Elephants]

11. Most of my post was about what he did TO the city. I lived in NY prior to Rudy. Loved it.

I left very reluctantly. My son lived in NY under Rudy. He ran out of it.

As I said, "best" is a matter of opinion.

[WriteDown]

13. I remember when going to the city...

meant there was a good chance of being mugged or shot. I remember when riding the subway at night could be deadly. I remember hookers on the corners. I am not nostalgic for old NYC.

[No Elephants]

15. Oh, forgot to mention his telling Ground Zero workers it was safe to work without a mask.

I understand how important both Republicans and law and order are to some folks. For others, those things are not the be all and end all.

I'm as glad as I can be that Rudy will not be Governor of NY.

[WriteDown]

16. The quote

GIULIANI: The air is safe as far as we can tell, however, we really urge all the relief workers to use the masks and goggles when they get really close.

[No Elephants]

17. FAIL. He lied about the air being safe as far as they could tell though Other people were

contradicting that, even as he spoke. And IIRC, there was not enough masks to go around anyway.

Besides, um, he was MAYOR. He did not have to "urge" anything. He could have ordered that no one be allowed to work there without a mask.

and that was not the ONLY quote from him on that subject.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS337US337&q=Guiliani+ground+zero+mask+safe

[WriteDown]

18. So I give the quote...

and you give your opinions? FAIL.

[No Elephants]

19. Nope. Not my opinions. I gave facts.

"In those first days after 9/11, Mr. Giuliani made it clear that workers needed to wear masks at ground zero because it was more contaminated than elsewhere. But as time went on, and workers failed to heed the warnings, the record indicates that his administration sometimes said otherwise.

Even after the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health found that workers were “unnecessarily exposed” to health hazards, officials played down the danger.

http://www.911hoax.com/NY_Times_Ground_Zero_Illnesses_05_14_2007_3.html

You might read the whole article and, as well, look at some of the other articles in the google search to which I linked you.

[WriteDown]

20. The record?

Let's see some quotes. I remember that he himself was out there without a mask.

[No Elephants]

23. And Hillary went there WITH a mask, to underscore what a liar he was. His being there for photo

ops was not remotely comparable to the working there long, long hours, thinking you were doing something for your country and for the victims.

You are not satisfied with the NYT saying the record shows conflicting statements? LOL, too bad. Bottom line, he should have forbidden working there without a mask.

Main point. He will not get elected. Subsidiary point: When you defend a solid Democrat like this, please let me know.

[WriteDown]

24. Still no quotes?

Records show that No Elephants is wrong on this issue. :)

[No Elephants]

25. When you get the NYT to say that, let me know. You obviously have not looked at the articles

on the search page to which I linked you.

Try one that links to Media Matters or the one that asks if Giuliani killed more people than Osama. And keep going. Bottom line, Cuomo will put Rudy in the sewer, where, IMO, Rudy will be right at home.

[WriteDown]

26. You can "say" anything...

Without proof it amounts to nothing.

[No Elephants]

27. Um, there is proof, whether you choose to accept it or not.

I posted the link to the times, which supported what I said; and I told you the location of the quotes you seem to need, despite the times having squarely supported my claim. If you choose not to believe the NYT and not to look at the other articles so you can declare victory baselessly, that's up to you.

[WriteDown]

28. Just post the quotes...

Not sure why you want to lead me to a labyrinth. I did not realize the NYT was infallible.

[No Elephants]

30. I gave you the NYT and two articles that have them. If you don't want to look, bite me.

The NYT may not be infallible, but most people accept it as a credible source and it's certainly a lot more credible than an anonymous poster, such as yourself.

[WriteDown]

31. Your inability to post the quotes or definitive evidence...

is telling....for the record. :rofl:

[No Elephants]

32. Don't mistake unwillingness for inability. Choosing not to accede to unreasonable requests is not

the same as being unable so to do.

[WriteDown]

33. If you say so...

:)

[CatWoman]

34. personally

I can't understand why you continue to praise that stuttering, insufferable POS.

My sister lives in NYC, and agrees wholeheartedly with the sentiments of No Elephants.

It's as if you want to give him a pass on his lousy judgement and reprehensible morals just because you can ride the subways without having to be bothered with homeless pandhandlers.

Just my opinion....

[WriteDown]

35. If you'd been around for the old NYC...

then you'd understand. Try renting movies from the 70's and 80's that take place in NYC. It was like a different, dangerous world.

[CatWoman]

38. oh those homeless people with their squirt bottles and dirty rags

Rudy sure showed them, huh?

[WriteDown]

42. I was more worried about the people with the knives....

and guns when I lived there. Of course, my windshield was always spotless though.

[No Elephants]

40. We've been around that bend upthread. What Rudy did and allowed in order to reduce crime

were things that do not appeal to most Democrats. As I said, defending Republicans and placing law and order above all else is not most Democrats cup of tea and most Democrats have priorities that cause them to spit (at least mentally) when Rudy is mentioned.

[No Elephants]

43. Thanks, Cat Woman.

[Theobald]

46. If only it were just homeless panhandlers and squeegee men

I got the shit beat out of me by three muggers with a baseball bat when I was living in the Bronx; busted skull, bum knee and bruised arm. Crimes like that and murder are much rarer now then they were in the 80's and early 90's. Of course the decrease in violent crime started under Dinkens and Ray Kelly, so just giving credit to Giuliani is improper; I actually think Ray deserves most of the credit.

When I lived in NY in 1990 murder was rampant, grafitti was everywhere, the streets were dirty, and you didn't feel safe in central park and times square, let alone the Bronx. Today the squeegee men are gone (thank you), grafitti is not as ubiquitous, the streets are cleaner, murders are way down, violent crime is way down, the streets are safer and it is a better place for everybody; panhadlers included. BTW there are still panhandlers on the subway, I saw one three weeks ago.

Murder in NYC
1990 - 2245 - Dinkins
1991 - 2154
1992 - 1995
1993 - 1946
1994 - 1561 - Giuliani
1995 - 1177
1996 - 983
1997 - 770
1998 - 633
1999 - 671
2000 - 673
2001 - 649

[WriteDown]

52. Interesting..

Maybe we ran into each other. And no, I was not one of the guys with a the bat :) . Really sorry to hear about that. I can't believe the way the city has changed since we were kids. Its like a different world.

[Uzybone]

55. You do know the murder rate across the entire country dropped as well

its not just Guiliani, it was Clinton putting more cops on the streets, tougher gun laws, economic expansion and other factors.


US MURDER RATES per 100,000 people

1990  9.4 
1991  9.8 
1992  9.3 
1993  9.5 
1994  9.0 
1995  8.2 
1996  7.4 
1997  6.8 
1998  6.3 
1999  5.7 
2000  5.5 
2001 5.6 
2002  5.6 
2003  5.7 
2004  5.5 
2005  5.6 
2006  5.7 
2007  5.6 


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

[Theobald]

56. I am well aware of the overall drop in murder in the US

and I never said Giuliani was solely or mainly responsible for the drop. However New Yorks murder rate dropped the most and has continued to do so.

New York went from 30.7 murders per 100,000 in 1990 to 8.1 in 2001; a drop of 73%. It hit 6.3% last year, which is an overall drop of 79%. Whereas the us rate dropped 40% between 1990 and 2001 and hasn't changed since then.

[KamaAina]

48. I rode the subways during the Giuliani era

I was bothered by homeless panhandlers all the time. :eyes:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

49. Yeah, go rent "Escape From New York" that shit was craaaaazy I tell you!

:rofl:

[No Elephants]

36. My son always used to try to have the last word, no matter what. Then, he passed puberty.

[WriteDown]

37. Good for him?

:shrug:

[Theobald]

39. The times did not support what you said.

You stated "Oh, forgot to mention his telling Ground Zero workers it was safe to work without a mask."

You have not provided proof for that statement. A google spagetthi splat link does not constitute proof and nowhere in the times article you linked to does it say Guliani said it was safe to work without a mask.

[No Elephants]

41. The Times said that, while Giuliani did say it wasn't safe, the record showed conflicting statements

So how do you figure the NYT did not support what I said? And I did not give him only a google search. I also pointed him to an article containing several quotes, namely, the one asking if Giuliani killed more people on 911 than Osama.

I understand Write Down, but what's your agenda?

[Theobald]

44. Agenda?

You made a statement that Guliani said it was safe to work at ground zero without a mask and subsequently have failed to back up that statement. Where is the evidence that he made such a statement? Links to quotes saying he killed more people than Osama are irrelevant. Either back up your statement or retract it.

Your own link to the Times and your own posting state that Guliani said it wasn't safe therefor your statement that Guliani said it was safe to work at ground zero is false.

[No Elephants]

57. Um.

Let's try it again. I posted Rudy said the air at Ground Zero was safe. WD posted a quote saying the air was safe, but wear a mask. The NYT said, in criticism of Rudy, "Sure Rudy said that ONCE, but the record showed that he made other statements that were conflicting." (OR words to tha effect.) That would mean statements made by Rudy saying working without a mask is okay. Sorry if you can't make those connections.

Even Write Down understood that the NYT article backed what I said. He just claims the NYT is not infallible. And most of us know exactly why Write Down is such a fan of Rudy's.

I did not post that I linked him to a quote saying Rudy killed more people than Osama. I linked him to article with that title, which article contained the very quotes he was asking for, namely Rudy saying it was safe. Next time, try looking at the article before you decide what it does and does not contain.

Besides even the statement that as far as we knew, the air was safe was a lie on Rudy's part. The air was not safe as far as we knew.

But yes, what is your agenda?

What motivation does a Democrat to try to defend a Republican POS like Giuliani? The things I posted are not controversial among Democrats. You and Write Down are the only ones who challenged them, while Democrats supported my positions.

Most of us get why Write Down stands for Rudy. But you? What's your agenda?

[Theobald]

61. Are you obtuse?

You stated that Giuliani said it was safe to be at ground zero without out a mask. None of your comments, statements, or links backs up that assertion. The times does not state the Giuliani said it was safe not to wear a mask and specifically states that he said it was not safe to work without a mask. You even contradict yourself, by posting a link where Giuliani says it wasn't safe.

[wordpix]

62. with so many health probs he caused with that, he should be asked about his health care policy

I'd love to hear him talk about coverage for the sick workers on the pile he put at risk, not to mention NYorkers living near Ground Zero at the time :popcorn:

[Cha]

54. I don't care what rudy ghouliani

did when you were there..the damage he did to nyc before and after 9/11 and the lies that spew out his ass since then.. have more than erased that.

Fuck ghouliani.

[Danmel]

47. I was a teenager in NYC in the 70s

New York was a disaster but to say Rudy saved it is a bit simplistic. Lots of factors contributed to New York's revival. Giuliani's a mean racist who gets way too much credit for the city's turnaround & for his "heroism" after 9-11. He is a legend in his own mind & his exploitation of 9-11 for his personal gain is nauseating. This New Yorker hopes Paterson gracefully bows out so that Rudy will not run.

[WriteDown]

50. Interesting...

Maybe we ran into each other. And no, I was not one of the guys with a the bat :). Really sorry to hear about that. I can't believe the way the city has changed since we were kids. Its like a different world.

[WriteDown]

53. Sorry, previous post to you was the wrong spot. nt

[No Elephants]

58. Not to mention looking the other way for all the police brutality anyone wanted to

perpetrate. And refusing raises to most city workers. And decent communications equipment to first responders. Etc.

[rfranklin]

3. Remember the camera hog of 9/11!

Terra! Terra! Terra!

This is the guy who tried to get himself named mayor for life.

[Stephanie]

4. Andrew Cuomo will kick his ass from Brooklyn to Buffalo

[nyc 4 Biden]

5. Damn straight! And I can't wait!

Look, people in NY don't even like you Rudy.

[No Elephants]

12. You betcha! Cuomo has been laying the groundwork for that and I cannot wait for him

to put Rudy in the sewers of NYC with the other rats

[redqueen]

21. :)... shocking that Ru911dy has fans here, isn't it?

[No Elephants]

60. If only Democratic Underground were solely for Democratic posters.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. Rudy "Jason" Giuliani.

[Javaman]

8. 9/11!!! NINE ELEVEN!!!! AHHHHH!!! 9 FUCKING ELEVEN!!!!!

does NY or anyone need anymore of his brand of self promoting fictional account bullshit?

[No Elephants]

14. Funniest thing said during the debates: Noun Verb 911. Thing is, people in NY know the truth about

that in ways folks in the rest of the country do not. When the firefighters and police of NYC tell their stories, Rudy may never have enough courage to mention 911 publicly again, except to apologize.

[WePurrsevere]

22. I can but hope. The very idea of Rudy being Gov of NY

is abhorrent to me and should be to any other NYer who cares about NY.

I'm not sure Cuomo will get the nod if he runs against Patterson but either of them would be hands down better then the Ghoul.

[No Elephants]

29. If he runs, the first responders of 911 or their survivors will rise up, as will the police union

and the firefighters union, and speak with one voice against him. Few in this country would be able to survive that.

[totodeinhere]

45. This is why we need an alternative to Patterson.

I'm afraid that Rudy would beat him hands down.

[No Elephants]

59. Andrew Cuomo.

[KamaAina]

51. Peter King is one of his "top allies"?

He can't possibly shout "Nineleveninelevenineleven!!!" loud enough to get out from that. :eyes: