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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:27 PM
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U.S. Scolds Aristide for Saying He Still Leads Haiti
U.S. Scolds Aristide for Saying He Still Leads Haiti
By REUTERS

Published: March 8, 2004


Filed at 1:08 p.m. ET

DALLAS (Reuters) - The White House on Monday scolded ousted Haitian President Jean-Bertrande Aristide for insisting he was still the president of his Caribbean country and warned him not to stir up divisions there.

``Mr. Aristide has resigned his office and has left the country. And now the Haitian people are involved with grasping democracy and moving forward on an interim government,'' White House spokesman Trent Duffy told reporters traveling with President Bush here.

``And that's where the focus should be right now. And any comments that would stir up more division are not helpful, as the Haitian people move toward a greater democracy,'' he added.

Aristide earlier repeated his accusations -- which the United States denies -- that he was abducted by U.S. forces when he left the country a week ago.

more...........

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-haiti-usa.html
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:31 PM
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1. Issue Number One!
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 02:32 PM by DenverDem
The bushlerco evil empire is trafficing in uncontrolled regime change specifically to line the pockets of their megalomaniacle cabal of cronies, irrespective of the cost in human collateral damage.

Repeat ad infinitum.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:49 PM
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7. Why the f**k does our government have any say in whether someone
lawfully elected continues to serve his sovereign nation?
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:34 PM
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2. Shouldn't 'greater democracy' have one of those copyright thingies by it?
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 06:06 PM
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12. Extra!! Strength!! Greater Democracy© -- !!!
Now with 23% More Freedom and Coke Trafficking!!!


Fuck these guys are scumbags and liars...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:06 PM
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16. Whenever they use the word "democracy",...
,...I know they mean anything but democracy. They should be called the "Misnomer Maniacs"!!!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:49 PM
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3. Where there is smoke...
...there must be fire. Looks like Bush and Company aren't even good at coup d'etat. Since the rebels did not get Aristides, Rumsfeld's black-ops will have to finish the job:crazy:
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:53 PM
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4. I scold Bush for calling himself president
Aristide is more legitimate than Bush is.

:spank:

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leftwingnut Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:53 PM
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5. "move toward a greater democracy"
:wtf: is that supposed to mean?? running the elected president into exile and leaving behind confusion, looting and rioting. that's moving to a "greater democracy"?
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 06:57 PM
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15. yes, and they are not even making any pretenses about removing the PM
The Prime Minister never resigned his post. He stayed in Haiti. Now, they are just boldy saying that he must go, too. They say, he was and is still associated with Aristide, so he must go, too.

They don't even try to make up any lies wrt to the Haitian PM. They just say he needs to go, too.

What a bunch of international criminals they are.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:40 PM
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6. Bush is not equal to U.S. (n/t)
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:19 PM
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8. So much for U.S. claims that he resigned!
Just another American coup in the Americas, just as we thought all along.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:36 PM
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9. Update: Aristide Aims to Sue US, France for Kidnap -Lawyer
Aristide Aims to Sue US, France for Kidnap -Lawyer
Mon Mar 8, 2004 04:13 PM ET


PARIS (Reuters) - Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide plans to sue the United States and France for allegedly kidnapping him, one of his lawyers said Monday.
Aristide, who arrived in the Central African Republic a week ago, has repeatedly accused the United States of forcing him into exile after a rebellion plunged Haiti into chaos.

Lawyer Gilbert Collard said he and an American colleague would file identical suits in France and the United States in the next few days once they receive final authorization from Aristide.

"We will file suit against the French ambassador (in Port-au-Prince) and against the (U.S.) military authorities that carried out the abduction of the president," he told Reuters.
(snip)

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4522205
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:43 PM
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10. "Greater Democracy"
That means "Plutocracy" controlled by Bushco or the benefit of the Wealthy
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:48 PM
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11. Haitian people are involved with gasping democracy
I think was what they meant to say, as another Bushco wallop puts democracy in Intensive Care.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 06:07 PM
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13. DURESS - Restraint or danger, actually inflicted or impending,
DURESS - Restraint or danger, actually inflicted or impending, which is sufficient in severity or apprehension to deprive a person of free choice, destroy his volition, or obtain consent only in form.

Under the law...
First. Duress of imprisonment, where a man actually loses his liberty. If a man be illegally deprived of his liberty until he sign and seal a bond, or the like, he may allege this duress, and avoid the bond. But, if a man be legally imprisoned, and either to procure his discharge, or on any other fair account, seal a bond or a deed, this is not by duress of imprisonment, and he is not at liberty to avoid it.

Second. Duress per minas, which is either for fear of loss of life, or else for fear of mayhem, or loss of limb,; and this must be upon a sufficient reason. In this case, a man way avoid his own act.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d082.htm
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 06:22 PM
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14. Scold BushCo - violation of UN Refugee Convention re: returns
http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/480fa8736b88bbc3c12564f6004c8ad5/a28828e16fcad22285256e51005b95a3?OpenDocument

Source: Refugee Council
Date: 6 Mar 2004

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Denying Haiti's refugees

By Bill Frelick
As President Bush begins his reelection campaign, will he again claim to be a compassionate conservative? The question comes to mind as the first boatloads of fleeing Haitian refugees are returned to the volatile danger of their homeland. Since the current crisis began Feb. 21, hundreds of Haitians have been interdicted by U.S. Coast Guard cutters and returned forthwith to Haiti's beleaguered capital, Port-au-Prince.

None were apprised of their right to seek asylum. Only a handful -- those who begged and pleaded the loudest -- were allowed cursory refugee pre-screening interviews aboard the cutters, and they were rejected as not having credible fears. As of Thursday, all 905 interdicted Haitians had been returned to Haiti.

Meanwhile, President Bush said, "I have made it abundantly clear to the Coast Guard that we will turn back any refugee that attempts to reach our shore." No exceptions.

What is also abundantly clear is that Haiti today is a dangerous place, no less so because of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide's departure on Sunday. Armed thugs are looking to settle scores. Fear and anarchy loom throughout the country.

The U.N. Refugee Convention forbids returning a person "in any manner whatsoever" to a place where his life or freedom would be threatened. By longstanding practice neighboring countries provide at least temporary refuge in the event of mass refugee influxes.

Except the United States.

Tragically, the last time this happened, the Supreme Court countenanced then-President George H.W. Bush's summary return of interdicted Haitian boat people. The court said that because the refugee convention was not self-executing but rather was implemented only through domestic legislation, its reach did not extend beyond our borders. Legal scholars worldwide were stunned at the blow to the most sacrosanct principle of refugee law: the ban on "refoulement" -- forced return of a refugee.
<snip...more>
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:07 PM
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17. The logic: he said he resigned so he can't claim to be president.
But, um, if he's claiming that he's the president, perhaps he didn't really resign.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 08:50 PM
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18. I hate it when we have to scold our naughty children.
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 08:51 PM by Rex
BIG HONKIN SARCASM
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