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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 05:40 PM
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Venezuela asks Interpol to capture ex-president
Source: Miami Herald

Posted on Wednesday, 09.30.09
Venezuela asks Interpol to capture ex-president

By FABIOLA SANCHEZ
Associated Press Writer
CARACAS, Venezuela -- Venezuela's top prosecutor is asking Interpol to capture former President Carlos Andres Perez for violence committed during street protests two decades ago.

Prosecutors will ask Interpol to issue a "red alert" for the capture of 85-year-old Perez, who lives in Miami, Attorney General Luisa Ortega told Venezuelan state television on Tuesday. She said his capture is necessary as part of investigations into the riots, known as the "Caracazo" - a play on the name of the capital that also means forceful blow.

Perez was president when the rioting broke out on Feb. 27, 1989, triggered by a hike in gasoline prices and public transportation fares. Venezuela's army was deployed to quell the unrest, leaving at least 300 dead. But rights activists say hundreds more were killed - many of them shot indiscriminately by security forces.

On this year's Feb. 27-28 anniversary, President Hugo Chavez called on authorities to administer justice for crimes committed during the Caracazo. None of the government officials, military officers or police responsible for putting down the riots has gone to trial for the deaths.


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1259542.html



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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 06:29 PM
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1. Carlos Andres Perez - a model social democrat.
He is a good representative of the modern social democracy that is anti-people to its core. Social democracy is the favorite vehicle of the most extreme right-wing elements to bamboozle the people and oppress them.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:16 PM
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7. he started out on the left, you know
his political history is kind of interesting, and not as one sided as St. Hugo's sycophants would have you believe.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:36 PM
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8. Yes, he is still on the "left."
AD, his party, is a member of the Socialist International, along with so many right-wing forces. Yes, I know his present and past.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:24 AM
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16. I don't see anyone criticizing him for his political positions. Do you?
Or are you reading some other thread in a parallel universe?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:00 AM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:02 AM
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18. No, thanks. The man is a psychopath and his career bears no relation
to Chavez, however much you wish it did.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 06:37 PM
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2. K&R. This would mean a great deal to many, many ordinary people. n/t
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 06:57 PM
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3. Umm...
:rofl:
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:06 PM
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4. Don't hold your breath Hugo. n/t
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:13 PM
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5. Hoping for a two-fer
We just nabbed a child rapist on the run for 30 years.

Maybe we can get this murderer who's had 20 years of freedom despite his crimes.

That would make this month good.
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:14 PM
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6. Now that would be cool! Recommend
We can always hope.

Judi, always good to see you working hard.


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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:21 PM
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9. The same Interpol that lies about "FARC laptops"?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:47 PM
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11. INTERPOL didn't lie about the laptops, Colombia did. n/t
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:00 AM
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12. LINK
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/1293/61/

Quote:

"Some analysts have raised doubts about Interpol’s conclusions. Three professors of information technology at the Polytechnic University of Ecuador, led by Deacon Carlos Montenegro, held a press conference today criticizing the Interpol report.

The professors emphasized the report did not prove much at all, given the limited scope of the investigation and said Interpol’s face-value acceptance of the devices as FARC property was a contradiction of the report’s own findings. They not only criticized the scope of the report, but also the conclusions of its technical findings.

They seized on the agency’s methodology, which only examined images of the hard drives’ user files handed over by Colombia, and not the hard drives themselves. They demonstrated to a crowd of reporters how easy it is to change the creation and modification dates on documents. They asserted these changes would only leave digital traces on the actual hard drives, which have remained in Colombian custody. Investigators would need access to the actual hard drives and the system files to determine whether and when modifications occurred, according to the Ecuadorian analysts.

The Ecuadorian professors also pointed out that Interpol has no way of determining whether Colombian officials modified, deleted, or created documents between March 1 and 3, as the report contends. In fact, by the Colombian government’s own admission, its handling of the computer devices during those days did not conform to internationally recognized standards on the chain of custody when dealing with forensic evidence. Interpol’s contention that the devices were not modified is based on nothing more than faith in Colombia’s sincerity, argued the professors."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:04 AM
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13. Exactly:
"Interpol’s contention that the devices were not modified is based on nothing more than faith in Colombia’s sincerity, argued the professors."

And shortly after that, INTERPOL stopped cooperating with Colombia. So, looks like INTERPOL didn't like being made to look bad by the lies it was fed by Colombia.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:19 AM
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14. I'll trust Interpol when they formally retract & issue clarifying statements. Until then
they have shed their credibility.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:22 AM
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15. That seems very reasonable to me. n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:26 PM
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10. Might as well round us Bush I too, if we want justice for deaths in Latin America
Not to mention some of the Iran-Contra conspirators, a few ambassadors, ....
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:03 AM
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19. Would Chavez honor a Zelaya arrest request?
Another stupid PR stunt, nothing more.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:51 AM
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21. I don't think it's a "PR stunt" at all. And Chavez is anything but stupid.
He and his government oversaw sizzling economic growth during the previous five years (2003-2008)--an economic growth rate of nearly 10%, with the {i]most growth in the private sector (not including oil), and amassed a $43 billion "rainy day" fund which has insulated Venezuela (and the countries that it has helped with debt and other aid) against the Bushwhack tsunami of September 2008. And they did this while maintaining full funding of all social programs--universal free medical care, universal free education through college and much more.

You want "stupid"? Watch Congress on C-Span. Or review Bush Jr's press conferences.

I think this effort of Chavez and Venezuela's AG to hold Perez accountable is partly a "message" to the Honduran Junta (and any other fascists who may be sharpening their knives to overthrow democracies) that they will be held accountable, one way or another. It also may be a preventative warning--to stop the Honduran Junta from going as far with their violence and murder as Perez did. This "PR stunt," as you call it, is about accountability. Please see my comment below.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:25 AM
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22. another stupid comment
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 11:26 AM by fascisthunter
based upon prejudice only
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:35 AM
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20. "Riots" is an interesting choice of words when up to 3,000 were slaughtered by security forces,
with relatively few casualties among the security forces.

Here is a more objective account of the Caracazo...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracazo

It says "riots, protests and looting." "Protests" gets kind of sandwiched in there, but at least it's mentioned--unlike in the Associated Pukes/Miami Hairball version above (which doesn't mention the protests). The Pukes/Hairballs also choose the lowest possible number of dead ("at least 300") at the hands of the security forces, and don't mention the actual number that human rights groups have estimated (3,000) after they started finding the mass graves where "security forces" (security?) buried many civilians.

It sounds to me like the Caracazo was a combination of peaceful protests against draconian "free market" looting by the rich and some retaliatory looting and property destruction by the poor. It's possible that agents provocateur were also involved, as they so often are when people peacefully revolt against injustice, to provide an excuse for violent repression. But even if some ordinary people were guilty of "rioting" (destruction of property) and "looting" (taking the opportunity to steal goods that they can't afford because they have been rendered extremely poor by an unjust economic system), the relative lack of injuries and deaths among the "security forces" points to a government gone bonkers with greed. Why else slaughter so many people for objecting to "neo-liberalism" or for stealing or property destruction?

Most of the "security forces'" slaughter was in the poorest barrios--and what comes to mind more than anything is the Watts Uprising in 1965, which was directed not against people but against property. Do you slaughter hundreds to thousands of people, and dump their bodies into mass graves, for being poor--for stealing TVs, or food, or clothes; or for revolting against the banksters and other oppressors by destroying their property? The U.S. was still a civilized country in 1965, and responded to the Watts Uprising with the "War on Poverty" (a genuine effort to alleviate poverty which was soon deep-sixed by the Pukes, and was also undermined by the Vietnam War).

Anyway, the point I'm trying to get at is that, in Venezuela, there were PROTESTS, as distinguished from "riots" and "looting." And the protests were not being heard by the imposers of looting by the rich.

If you leave out the "protests" and only mention the mayhem (riots, looting), you are greatly coloring and misinterpreting the event. This was not a "college town riot." This was not a "soccer riot." This was not random mayhem. It occurred because of political/economic injustice and because the powers-that-be were not listening to more civil forms of protest. The AP/MH article mentions gas prices (i.e., looting by Exxon Mobil & brethren) but that is not sufficient to convey the overall, longstanding, increasing injustice in Venezuela on all issues, nor the long term efforts of grass roots political groups, labor unions and others who were being ignored.

Hugo Chavez was a young officer in the military at the time of the Caracazo, and he and his fellow officers sided with the poor. They revolted against the orders to kill the poor, and tried to topple the Perez government, in the hope of establishing a better one. Their coup failed. Chavez was sentenced to two years in prison for his part in it, and became a hero in prison. When he got out, he disavowed violent rebellion as a means of establishing justice, and ran for president (and won). He also helped to write a new Constitution which established human rights to a decent wage, education, health care and a more equitable and democratic political system.

I suspect that Chavez, and Venezuela's Attorney General Luisa Ortega, may intend this legal move against Perez (ensconced in luxury in Miami) partly as a "message" to the Junta in Honduras. The situation has similarities to the Caracazo (except that there has been NO looting or rioting in Honduras; the similarity is the revolt of the poor against their own oligarchy and against the global corporate predators who support it, with state violence used to repress the revolt.*) And the "message" is: 'You will not get away with this.' Even if the Junta essentially retains power, and uses their corrupt judiciary (as well as force of arms) to try to immunize themselves for their violent repression--beatings, torture and murders--that is taking place in Honduras, there are now international agencies and courts in which to try them, and the many new leftist democratic governments that have been elected in South and Central America will join in their prosecution and will not give them refuge. It is a warning, also--possibly aimed at preventing a "Caracazo" in Honduras (which hasn't yet reached the level of slaughter that occurred in Venezuela, as far as we know).

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*(One of the things that the Associated Pukes, the Miami Hairball, Rotters, the New York Grimes, the Wall Street Urinal and other corpo/fascist 'news' organizations have utterly failed to report is that there was a grass roots leftist democracy movement in Honduras prior to the Junta, which was pushing President Zelaya to champion a Constituent Assembly for re-writing the Constitution. This was among several proposals that they had advocated--which included a raise in the minimum wage, lower bus fares for the poor, and school lunches for poor children. Zelaya was listening to the people, as a good president should--and was trying to remedy one of the worst poverty levels in the hemisphere, through the enactment of these proposals, including fundamental reform of the Constitution (which was written by Reagan's henchmen in the 1980s). The corpo/fascist media has tried to make it appear that he was acting autocratically, or--a great contradiction--as a "puppet" of "Hugo Chavez." In both cases--Venezuela and Honduras--the need for fundamental reform was coming from the people. The corpo/fascist press doesn't want us to know this--that reform in Latin America is coming from the People--so they personalize these events and demonize the leaders.)


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