Majority (2/3)of U.S. Parents Wary of H1N1 Vaccine: Poll

[underpants]

Source: ABC News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly two-thirds of U.S. parents say they will hold off having their children vaccinated against the H1N1 swine flu or will not get them immunized at all, according to a survey released on Wednesday.

The findings, published by Consumer Reports, underscore one of the main challenges facing the Obama administration as it readies a massive swine flu vaccination roll-out -- how to persuade the most vulnerable people to protect themselves against the new virus.

Consumer Reports, a magazine published by the nonprofit advocacy group Consumers Union, surveyed 1,502 adults by telephone from September 2-7.

It found that 50 percent of parents are delaying the vaccination decision, mainly because they were wary about whether the new H1N1 vaccine has been tested enough.

The same concerns were shared by 14 percent of parents who have ruled out vaccination altogether.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=8716513

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About 35 percent of adults surveyed said they would definitely have their children vaccinated, significantly higher than the 22 percent of 5- to 18-year-olds who are immunized in a typical year, according to federal statistics.

[Happyhippychick]

1. I'm in the skeptical group. We won't be getting it.

[panader0]

3. Me neither

My kids mom (we're divorced but they live with me) is a nurse and will probably want the kids to get it. I'll agree for them, but for me, no. I have been insulted heavily on this board for not wanting the vaccine. Oh well. It looks like I'm not alone. Let's see, two thirds to one third? Sounds like the ratio of pro Public Option to those opposed.

[leftynyc]

63. You're not alone

I'm not getting it either.

[Crzyrussell]

39. A lot of

people have had it in my area and are doing fine. One child at my daughters school tested positive and the world still hasn't ended.

[frog92969]

54. Ditto. I stand with the 66%

And I do have a pre-existing condition, 25 years of hep-C.

I've seen where we stand with the Medical Industrial Complex.
We all have, and that's probably what the 2/3rds are thinking.

"Our" government would give them anything they ask for,
and having been granted immunity their only concern would be making that sale.
Did I mention that the FDA is a joke as well?

I'd rather hand my life to Mother Nature than trust it to Big Pharma,
though neither will be necesary because this is obviously hype for
the benefit of the drug mongers.

[kestrel91316]

2. Wait 'til the kiddies start dropping. Then these same parents will be screaming

because they CAN'T get the vaccine.

Hey, just means those of us who want it will be able to get it.

[Demeter]

4. If We Had Single Payer Health Care, More Might Take the Chance

But to voluntarily put one's health at risk without adequate medical backup is stupid.

The risks of the vaccine vs. the risks of the disease. The biggest factor will be staying home getting fluids and resting, or dragging the kids to day care and the parents to work, spreading it around.

[AlbertCat]

5. Do these people even know what a vaccine is?

It's dead or knocked out or harmless forms of the virus that stimulate your body to make antibodies to fight the virus immediately if a live version of it gets in your system. The regular flu shot you get now is actually several flu shots mixed together. It's very unlikely, but not 100% (like any other vaccine) that it won't work properly. And even less likely that it's harmful.

So do as you please, but make sure you're getting real info and not scare tactics. Otherwise it will be like the bogus scare tactics that make people scared of frankinfood.


It happens that certain types of skepticisms are hard wired into your brain from the beginning. Especially those involving disease and filth. For instance, a huge percentage of people won't touch a plastic cockroach.... or even water that the plastic roach was in for less than a second. Yes, they know it's plastic! So these fears are real even if illogical. But knowing that it is partly a gut reaction you cannot control should make one want to investigate more.... rather than getting carried away by emotions.

[underpants]

6. I agree

maybe this will clear out the line and let ME get one

[Crzyrussell]

35. There isn't

a mercury free version yet. And there are risks with any vaccine. My kids are healthy and therefore do not need the vaccine. H1N1 is already here and people are doing just fine.

[DerBeppo]

71. Ridiculous

Everyone is healthy until they are not.

[customerserviceguy]

48. Hell, half the people in this country

still think that vaccines cause autism. We're more than a society that reads the horoscope section of the newspaper for mere entertainment.

[AllHereTruth]

53. We dont know what causes autism.

With the rise of early childhood vaccines there has been a sharp rise in autism.

Whether linked or not it is extremely hard to ignore. Just saying.

[LeftishBrit]

70. That is a myth spread by parts of the media

There was a recent study of adults in the UK, using the same diagnostic criteria as now used for children. About 1 in 100 received an autistic spectrum diagnosis - similar to or slightly higher than that found in children- despite the fact that they were too old to have received the MMR. Diagnostic criteria have changed; e.g. children who were diagnosed as 'psychotic' or 'schizophrenic' in the past are usually diagnosed as autistic nowadays. So there has been no particularly sharp rise recently.

Also a study in Japan, where the MMR vaccine was withdrawn for a few years and then reintroduced, showed no effect on rates of autism of either the withdrawal or the reintroduction.

This is not saying that vaccinations have no risks at all, but causing autism does not appear to be one of them.

[customerserviceguy]

78. We also have a lot more people diagnosing autism

You may as well relate the rise in autism diagnoses to the prevalence of space travel. I'd go for the reason listed in my subject as the reason for the "sharp rise in autism".

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

94. And with thimerosal removed from routine childhood vaccines rates have still continued to rise.

[AngryAmish]

96. stupid and dangerous thoughts like yours get people killed

[Warren Stupidity]

59. I figure this will make the vaccine easier to get and is a good thing

For me at least.

It could of course happen that the vaccine is badly produced and causes some awful side-effect, I just don't see why that would be a concern as manufacturing high quality effective flu vaccines has become a very well understood process.

[JerseygirlCT]

66. I think there has been a concern from those of us old enough

to remember the last go-round with a swine flu vaccine. There were some suspicions of neuro problems resulting from that vax.

It would be wise to educate the public more broadly if this is a different, and better formulated, vaccine this time around. I've rarely seen that spoken about.

[SOS]

72. The 1976 swine flu vaccine was a disaster

People don't remember how bad that was.

The swine flu killed one person in New Jersey.

The vaccine killed 25.
500 developed Guillain-Barre syndrome as a result of taking the vaccine.

[JerseygirlCT]

73. Yes.

I heard one medical person saying this is a different vaccine.

But if that's so (and I certainly hope it is) why is that not being more widely disseminated?

[newblewtoo]

77. That was the first and last flu

vaccine I ever got. I have never been as sick before or since. (and judging by your post I was among the lucky ones just being sick as a dog for close to a week). Hey doc, guess where you can stick that shot!!

[Posteritatis]

84. Meh. 525 out of a third to half of the population vaccinated does not a disaster make.

Also, it might come as a surprise to many people that 1976 was thirty-three years ago, and that the current state of medicine just might have changed since then.

Of course, most people will just turn the stupid knob up to eleven and ignore both basic statistics and the passage of time.

[midnight]

86. vaccine administered via nasal spray contains a live, attenuated virus

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The first roll-out of vaccines against the new swine flu virus will be 3.4 million doses of MedImmune's needle-free nose spray, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday. The CDC's Dr Jay Butler said the vaccines would be distributed the first week of October. "Initially we anticipate that 3.4 million doses of vaccine will be available," Butler told a telephone briefing. "We estimate that the amount of vaccine that will be available will increase through October." He said eventually delivery would rise to about 20 million doses a week. The United States has ordered 195 million doses of H1N1 swine flu vaccine from five companies -- MedImmune, a unit of AstraZeneca, Sanofi-Aventis, Australia's CSL, GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis.

The vaccine administered via nasal spray contains a live, attenuated virus. http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm182335.htm

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

7. Just goes to show how poorly educated we Americans are.

[robo50]

23. Yes, expand on this, and how OVER THE TOP most "news" sources

waste time and bandwidth with silly horribly researched, poorly worded, scare tactics to keep their viewers from flipping channels.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Is this the same 2/3 that doesn't believe in evolution?

[whyverne]

9. It's your funeral.

No, actually it's your kid's funeral.

Don't ask for any sympathy.

The scientists and doctors told you that this flu hits kids harder than regular flu.

But you're too stupid to care.

It's official now.
We've become the stupidest country in the world.

[d_r]

11. WHY?

why would you not get your children a vaccine when it is available??

A 7-year-old died here yesterday from the flu.

[whyverne]

12. Well my kid just poured popcorn down the heat register.

That's why. I think I'll cancel that flu shot.

;-)

[Robb]

20. That's a future Senator, right there

:D

[robo50]

24. Yes, so many kids of illogically thinking parents will die because ..

parents are not well educated, have no skills of logical analysis, and just want to make a personal statement that THEY are so SUPERIOR to the tens of thousands of physicians and researchers and scientists of all stripes in the USA!!!!!!!!

Bravo, parents, knock your kid out, making your point!

[Posteritatis]

83. Not just kids either

Good friend of mine, late twenties, no medical problems back through his history, is on a respirator in an induced coma now because of the thing, and has been for the past week and a half. They're expecting he'll recover enough to be taken off it by late next week, but still.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

93. Actually it's the parents funeral.

H1N1 has a nasty habit of killing 25-49 year olds at a much higher rate than it kills kids.

[robo50]

10. Letting the children of stupid FOX-viewing parents die........now.....why

would liberals be concerned with this?

Oh wait, ethics and morality, Republicans have none, and liberals like me, care more for the kids than for the stupidity of parents who have been told by the media that vaccines MIGHT be risky for 1/100,000th of the recipients.

How could we EVER underestimate the stupidity of Fox viewers?

Now, it will cause a few hundreds or thousands of innocent children to die, all thanks to Fox.

[Imajika]

13. Sounds silly...

...but I guess a lot of folks think if they "hold off" for awhile they will have time to be reassured that the vaccine is safe by watching how other people's kids react to it.

Also, there was a lot of pretty irresponsible talk about vaccinations being linked to autism, so that may have scared off quite a few people.

[Robb]

14. As much as I would like to blame the anti-vax folks

...this represents a failure on the part of CDC in the education end of things.

The government needed to get out in front of the silliness and educate people, but clearly did an inadequate job of doing so.

[robo50]

15. If Walter Cronkite had told you to get a polio shot, would you have

argued?

Now with Fox Noise, we don't have Walter to kick around anymore.

Some people who don't understand the statistics of 1 in a thousand versus one in a million..and the difference, actually, let's forget about blame to the CDC, let's blame Fox for flaming the fires, as always, of mistrust of government.

Blame Fox, and idiots who listen. The CDC is NOT the target here. Please try to be logical.

[Robb]

18. I would only point out

...that Obama won an election with Fox fanning the ignorance around night after night. He won, in part, because he got in front of stories quickly.

I will not blame the ignorant for their ignorance. I can lay blame at the feet of Fox, sure, but they're not working for me. The CDC is. They've lost a public relations war they could've won had they tried. :shrug:

[demigoddess]

55. if i remember correctly, and i'm old enough, they came to the schools with the polio

vaccine and did not expect you to pay for it. These shots they seem to want payment for. A wee bit of difference here.

[gkhouston]

64. They *told* us it was polio. Maybe it was something else on those sugarcubes?

It could explain a lot about how some of us turned out. :crazy:

[HuckleB]

19. Maybe.

But I think everyone is adjusting to the new media, where hysteria can drown out messages that used to be heard.

[Generator]

16. Well I'm still considering it

I posted today that CANADA-yes the whole country with single payer is stopping giving seasonal flu shots because of some study that says those that had the seasonal flu shot last year have double the risk of getting swine flu.

Now-if your kid hasn't had the flu shot last year-they want you to get that, and the swine flu shot. And if your kid is under 10-mine are-they want them to have four shots. It's making me think. Are they going to force the seasonal flu shot and the swine flu shot? Well if your kid gets sick you blame yourself whatever you do.


Also in the article-if you were born before 1957 they think you have immunity to the swine flu. I have not seen that printed anywhere in the US or the info about the seasonal flu shot. I don't think we get the best information here and we certainly don't have better health care than Canada.

Edit:
Here's my post http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6665804&mesg_id=6665804

[robo50]

31. It's always NICE to manage your health care on the latest theory..

unproved, un-verified, subject to more review in the next 6 months to 6 years.

This material you quote is a "STATISTICAL" study, not a study based upon stuff like viruses, bacteria, germs, transmission factors, etc etc........just looking at numbers, where UNSEEN VARIABLES can affect outcomes.

Why don't you look at the whole picture? ALSO, do you have a link to where the ENTIRE NATION OF CANADA is "STOPPING GIVING SEASONAL FLU SHOTS" ??? Something like THAT deserves a link saying so, you agree?

Also, why are you confusing ONE flu with ANOTHER flu ? Seasonal versus H1N1? You DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE??

How about you post a bit more responsibly and a bit more precisely in the future, OK?

[Generator]

36. Oh screw you!

I was posting my thoughts, my worry and you attack me! YES, the entire nation of Canada ia stopping seasonal flu shots for now. Sorry if you don't like what Canada is doing. Responsible? Do whatever the fuck you want bud. Bud don't attack me. I have the same right as anyone else to post my thoughts on goddamn message board. I am not advocating anything. Ambivalence is not a crime and doesn't make you stupid.

Do not tell me what to post, asshole.

[Iowa]

49. Well said Generator. Sometimes an ass-kicking is needed, and this appears to be one of those times.

You get the Alan Grayson award of the day.

[Iowa]

47. It's just information. It's up to you to sort it out.

This is a message board, not an academic journal.

[gkhouston]

65. I've seen the pre-1957 thing before. That's nothing new. As for the

"double the risk of getting swine flu", I suspect that it's the same number of people getting the flu but you're more likely to have noticeable symptoms if you've previously had a seasonal flu shot. That's not specific to the H1N1 strain. I read about this a year or two back, probably in Scientific American. Basically, the seasonal flu shot every year contains the two or three strains deemed most likely to circulate during the upcoming flu season. Once you've taken the vaccine, your body is all geared up to repel those invaders. If, however, you're exposed to a somewhat different invader, my recollection is that you initially produce the wrong response, i.e., your body wastes time producing the defense mechanism coached into it by the flu vaccine, but it's not going to work with a different strain. That's why there are scientists doing research they hope will one day yield a vaccine protecting against all flu viruses.

So: if you get the seasonal flu shot, then contract swine flu, you'll get sicker because at first your body will be responding to the swine flu as if it were one of the seasonal strains. If you don't get the seasonal flu shot and get swine flu, you'll still become sick, but maybe not as sick as if you'd received the seasonal flu shot. If you get no flu shots, you could get both types of flu and become miserably ill twice, not counting pneumonia after the flu x(. Or, you could get the swine flu shot now and the seasonal flu shot later, or vice versa, depending on which flu is circulating in your area.

[HuckleB]

17. All I know is the following:

The clinic I work at has been absolutely inundated with calls for appts. to get the annual flu vaccine. Two additional "flu shot" days had to be added, and those days are booked up now. Most years those special "days" aren't full until the day before, and no one in the clinic remembers having to add days like this.

I don't know if this trend will follow for the H1N1 vaccine, but ...

[robo50]

21. LATEST BREAKING NEWS......2/3 of America's children have dumb parents

without sufficient scientific education to understand what a flu vaccine will do, and how it is NOT PERFECT!

2/3 of America's children will be exposed to this flu because of dumb parents.


Let us how few if any kids die because of this parental idiocy.

Would these parents have opposed Polio vaccine in the 50's, 60's, or smallpox in the 40's?

Mumps, measles, rhubella?

Which vaccines are safe and which are NOT, according to parents who are not Ph.D. or MD immunologists?

What a stupid group of undereducated parents we have!

[Confusious]

22. The anti-vaccers have done thier job

Get ready for waves of disease.

[robo50]

25. They HATE American ...>.....>...>

children!

[Pharaoh]

26. Its a mild flu...........

this is no pandemic, more like mass media induced hysteria.

Google 1976 swine flu scare.......this is very similar.

[boppers]

27. How are you defining "pandemic"?

Is there some infection rate, or body count (or whatever) that you're using?

[robo50]

29. Google is your friend. Please research on your own before asking fools for their opinion

or suffer the consequences.

"A pandemic (from Greek πᾶν pan "all" + δῆμος demos "people") is an epidemic of infectious disease that is spreading through human populations across a large region; for instance a continent, or even worldwide. A widespread endemic disease that is stable in terms of how many people are getting sick from it is not a pandemic. Further, flu pandemics exclude seasonal flu. Throughout history there have been a number of pandemics, such as smallpox and tuberculosis. More recent pandemics include the HIV pandemic and the 2009 flu pandemic."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic

[Pharaoh]

32. so you want to classify H1N1 with?

Throughout history there have been a number of pandemics, such as smallpox and tuberculosis. More recent pandemics include the HIV pandemic.


Those are worth fearing. This is not smallpox.

[boppers]

40. 4,334 dead so far.

It's still growing, should max out this winter.

As far as "worth fearing", that's entirely subjective, and a judgement about other people's emotions. I can't be so callous as to brush off 4 thousand dead.

[Crzyrussell]

42. according to

the cdcabout

Annually about 36,000 people die from seasonal flu-related causes. Some people, such as older people, young children, pregnant women, and people with certain health conditions, are at high risk for serious flu complications.

4000 is small... what about drunk drivers? There are far greater things to worry about.

[boppers]

44. I happen to be engaged to a person with a "certain health condition".

I realize that you may have different concerns, but I'd prefer to plan a wedding, not a funeral.

[demigoddess]

56. I think we are asking whether totally healthy people should have it

if you have a condition, or the desire, go right ahead.

[Crzyrussell]

74. I was referring

to healthy people only. Of course, if the risk of catch H1N1 is greater for an individual than the risk of the vaccine that would be a good reason to get the vaccination.

[machiado]

46. more danger from secondary infection causing pneumonia

The H1N1 flu symptoms are more mild than regular influenza symptoms. My son has it now. The danger of this flu is the rather high rate of secondary infection by pneumonia-causing bacteria. If recognized in time, this is treatable with antibiotics. That young woman from Dayton Ohio who died from H1N1-related pneumonia and was uninsured may have been saved if she had sought medical treatment earlier (and if she had been insured, she probably would have sought treatment in time).

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

91. Severity isn't a factor in a pandemic declaration.

[Pharaoh]

34. ..............................

1976: Fear of a great plague
By PAUL MICKLE / The Trentonian
On the cold afternoon of February 5, 1976, an Army recruit told his drill instructor at Fort Dix that he felt tired and weak but not sick enough to see military medics or skip a big training hike.

Within 24 hours, 19-year-old Pvt. David Lewis of Ashley Falls, Mass., was dead, killed by an influenza not seen since the plague of 1918-19, which took 500,000 American lives and 20 million worldwide.

Two weeks after the recruit's death, health officials disclosed to America that something called "swine flu" had killed Lewis and hospitalized four of his fellow soldiers at the Army base in Burlington County.

The ominous name of the flu alone was enough to touch off civilian fear of an epidemic. And government doctors knew from tests hastily conducted at Dix after Lewis' death that 500 soldiers had caught swine flu without falling ill.

Any flu able to reach that many people so fast was capable of becoming another worldwide plague, the doctors warned, raising these questions:

Does America mobilize for mass inoculations in time to have everybody ready for the next flu season? Or should the country wait to see if the new virus would, as they often do, get stronger to hit harder in the second year?

Thus was born what would become known to some medical historians as a fiasco and to others as perhaps the finest hour of America's public health bureaucracy.

Only young Lewis died from the swine flu itself in 1976. But as the critics are quick to point out, hundreds of Americans were killed or seriously injured by the inoculation the government gave them to stave off the virus.


http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html

[boppers]

38. He disagreed with the conventional definition, as I understood it.

So, I asked him to clarify his definition.

[robo50]

28. You're Ph. D. in immunology or microbateriology degree is from where?

and when was it issued?

You are just stating a sentence as though it were a fact.......I expect you have sources other than your brain, and the faculties it implies, which were obvious in so many of your previous posts here.

Tell us your specialized insight, training, and research on this virus? No? care to step away from your computer ?

[Pharaoh]

30. My specialized insight is

I'm slightly smarter than you. But it's really none of your business.

O8)

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Crzyrussell]

37. He was just making a point.

Having an open mind sometimes means you might hear things that you disagree with.

There are valid concerns about vaccinations. Did you know that in Japn their sids rate dropped drastically when the minimum vaccination age was raised to two?

The H1N1 vaccine is being fast tracked

The Department of Health and Human Services has granted vaccine makers and federal officials immunity from lawsuits that result from any new H1N1 vaccine.

Doesn't that concern you?

Or does the government know best?

[Pharaoh]

41. Whatever.......

:eyes: :nopity: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[Pharaoh]

43. when I report you !

what are you going to report me to your mommy?

Get a yourself some help dude, :crazy:

[JerseygirlCT]

67. Except that otherwise healthy people have now

died from it. Younger people, too.

That's scary.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

90. You don't know the definition of pandemic.

The 1976 incident was largely confined to Ft. Dix.

[downeyr]

45. The Swine Flu is a bunch of crap anyway

Remember back when we were supposed to be afraid of the Avian Flu? It's pretty much the same. The Swine Flu effects old people and those who already have pre-existing conditions that make them susceptible to disease. I have friends who have already had the Swine Flu--they said that if they could choose between the normal flu and the swine flu, they would choose the swine flu. Needless to say, I'm not getting the vaccine.

[boppers]

50. I hope all of your family is with us this time next year.

It seems to be fairly mild to most people, but, well, protecting others than ourselves is part of what being progressive is all about.

[downeyr]

51. I didn't say it should be outlawed

I said I wasn't getting the vaccine. Everyone should be able to make their own decisions about it. I decline.

[boppers]

52. My problem is that I'm in contact with lots of other people in vulnerable groups.

I generally shy away from shots, but I wouldn't be getting it for me, I'd be getting it for the people I come in contact with... I might survive, but I might also be a vector that kills them.

[demigoddess]

57. some of us are NOT in contact with groups and have less chance of getting it

if I decline to get it that means there is a shot for you. You won't have to worry about being short of vaccine if some people refuse. Also herd immunity should work on some of us. that is why they never make enough for everybody!

[boppers]

58. Hermits and herd immunity FTW! eom

[demigoddess]

82. I care for a handicapped daughter who does not like to go out much,

and I guess you haven't heard of herd immunity, it means that when a percentage of people are immune or vaccinated there is less chance of other people getting it, and to top it off, I have never had a flu, my siblings never had the flu and my children never had the flu through all their school years. One child had to be exposed directly to chicken pox 3 times before she caught it. I do confess to ignorance of what FTW means.

[boppers]

85. FTW= For The Win

I have heard of herd immunity, I was pointing out that not all people need vaccination, those who are in infrequent contact with others (hermits) and those who are part of a group who is mostly vaccinated (herd immunity) can still benefit (For The Win).

[Warren Stupidity]

60. Avian Flu never crossed over.

The concern was and is that it will make the transition to a human-human disease. The concern is based on its epidemic pattern in bird populations and the effect of a similar pattern on human populations. Equating H1N1 and Avian Flu is dishonest and/or stupid.

[whyverne]

61. Thread is still going strong. Good.

It's showing how many people are misinformed.

This isn't the Swine Flu. It's H1N1. It's hitting the young harder than the old.

It's extremely contagious. Even if you don't get real sick, it has the potential of shutting down your whole family or your place of business for days. Not a good thing in this recession.

And there is still the Andromeda Strain factor. It could get worse. Or it could get better.

An flu epidemic in the middle of this epidemic of anti-big government may prove something, but I hope not. The very young will be the martyrs.

[ShortnFiery]

62. Because the H1N1 virus is very close to hitting Northern Virginia, I made the

judgement call not to NOW get my teenager vaccinated against the seasonal flu. I blame myself for not getting her vaccinated against this earlier when she'd easily have had the "reaction - antibodies" without fear of the other, more lethal flu in the area. However, NOW that the Swine Flu is in our area, I'm concerned about an interaction that might make her more ill were she to contract H1N1?

*British Columbia has ceased all vaccination (save for the usual high risk groups) of Seasonal Flu vaccines until Jan 1, 2010. There's preliminary scientific evidence that the seasonal flu shot makes one MORE AT RISK for contracting the H1N1 flu. The study has not been replicated but it gives one pause.

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/suspends+shot+campaign+over+H1N1+concerns/2045733/story.html

[ChickMagic]

68. I'll be first in line

I have a chronic illness and immunodeficiency. I learned in
Microbiology I and II about vaccines, how they are produced,
tested and all else related to them. I know about dead and
attenuated virus vaccines, as well as live vaccines. The
polio vaccine is a live virus that replicates in your gut
rather than in your spine. Since it's live, you only have
to take it once. I know exactly how they work and I will
be getting the shot. Not the nasal spray, however.

I strongly recommend that people get this vaccine to
provide herd immunity. A certain number must get it
in order to provide this immunity against those who
absolutely refuse to get it.

[harun]

76. I'm with yah, this ones a no brainer.

http://newsblaze.com/story/20090427092841mcco.nb/topstory.html

[Theobald]

69. Statistic: Nearly 2/3rds of US Parents are ignorant fucks.

The vaccine is pretty much new every year and so is technically untested, does this stop them from taking the vaccine in normal, i.e. non media hyped, years? As for those who worry about autism, they need to understand that their is no correlation between vaccinations and autism.

[robo50]

75. Correlation versus causation. How much do we know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW1IEqKuf6s

[defendandprotect]

79. They'll be a pro-vaccine gang here any minute to tell them what JERKS they are . . .

"Only fools never doubt" --

[boppers]

80. Pro-circular-earth folks tend to be that way.

Using things like "math" and "science".

It's good that folks entirely ignorant of such topics still have a voice.

[defendandprotect]

81. I'm sure we're all ignorant of "math and science" . . !!!

:evilgrin:

[boppers]

88. Do you live in the US?

People here still believe in creationism.

Ignorance, uhm, yes.

In droves.

[defendandprotect]

97. YOU are telling us ....

how "ignorant" other Americans are . . .

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[boppers]

99. Mind giving me the probability ratios of adverse reactions and H1N1 vaccinations?

..and while you're at it, maybe cover fatality ratios, long term effects, and give me some deltas on the numbers. If you're feeling fancy, maybe some deviation and error bars.

Since this is basic high-school math in most countries, it shouldn't be so hard.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

95. You said it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

92. Not jerks just ignorant.

[midnight]

87. Underpants sorry I did not find this post earlier because I surely

would of kicked it. I'm not supprised that most parents radar is telling them no.

[alarimer]

89. Selfish assholes.

You get the vaccine, then you can't pass the disease on to someone who cannot get the vaccine and who may die if they get H1N1. Otherwise you are possibly responsible for killing someone. It's called herd immunity and anybody who can get the vaccine but chooses not to is a selfish fucking asshole.

Americans are fucking stupid selfish pieces of shit.

[LeftishBrit]

98. Not really, given that there is unlikely to be enough vaccine for everyone...

So if one person doesn't get it, it becomes available for another person.

[PatGund]

100. Sorry, No....

A woman my daughter looked up to lost her battle against H1N1 last friday.

We're getting vaccinated as soon as possible.