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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 10:31 AM
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Siena poll: NY-23 race too close to call
Source: Post Standard

Washington – The campaign for the 23rd Congressional District seat has turned into a two-person race that is too close to call only days before the election, according to an independent poll released today.

Democrat Bill Owens (36 percent) and Conservative Doug Hoffman (35 percent) have emerged as the frontrunners, the Siena College poll of likely voters found.

At the same time, Republican Dede Scozzafava – the early frontrunner – has seen her support sink to 20 percent of likely voters, the Siena Research Institute poll found.

Scozzafava, a state Assemblywoman and the only candidate in the race with political experience, was favored by 35 percent at the start of October, when she led the pack.

“Unfortunately for Assemblywoman Scozzafava, this has become a two-person race between Owens and Hoffman,” Siena pollster Steven Greenberg said in a statement today.

The poll found Hoffman’s strongest support in the district comes from Central New York, where he is favored by 44 percent of voters to 33 percent for Owens.

Scozzafava, a social moderate who supports same-sex marriage and abortion rights, was favored by only 12 percent in Central New York, down from 20 percent in mid-October.

The Central New York portion of the district encompasses all of Oswego and Madison counties, and a portion of Oneida County. The 11-county district stretches from the counties surrounding Syracuse to the Canadian border and east to the Adirondacks.

Owens continued to draw his strongest support from likely voters in the eastern part of the district (46 percent), and Scozzafava polled strongest near her home region in Jefferson, Lewis and St. Lawrence counties.

The telephone poll of 704 likely voters in the 23rd Congressional District was conducted Tuesday through Thursday. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.

With only three days until the election, Greenberg said the difference will likely come down to whether Owens or Hoffman does a better job getting their voters to the polls on Tuesday.

Greenberg said there is also a strong possibility that the election will not be decided on Election Day.

“Given the tightness of the race and the need to count every vote, however, including those from the military, it is certainly possible that the victory party will have to be delayed beyond Tuesday night,” Greenberg said.

Military ballots must be postmarked by Nov. 2, but a new state law allows more time for the ballots to be received from overseas. As a result, elections officials must count any properly postmarked military ballot received by Nov. 16.

The Siena poll found Owens continued to build steady momentum this week, particularly among Democratic and independent voters. He now has the support of 66 percent of Democrats and 35 percent of independents.

Hoffman gained momentum with voters from almost every demographic, except Democrats. His strongest gains were among Republican, younger and Catholic voters.

All three candidates plan an aggressive schedule of appearances across the district leading up to Tuesday’s election.

Gov. George Pataki will fly to Syracuse today, where he plans to campaign with Hoffman in Madison County.

Vice President Joe Biden will fly into Watertown on Monday morning for a “get out the vote” rally with Owens


Read more: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/siena_poll_ny-23_race_too_clos.html




LOL. Wouldn't it be nice to kick Palin's ass again?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 10:50 AM
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1. I wonder if the independents and moderate republics will move to Owens now
seeing Hoffman as representative of what's wrong with the GOP now.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:29 AM
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3. Let's hope so, but 55% of a NY district going Republican or third party
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 11:33 AM by No Elephants
Conservative vs 36 for a Democrat does not cheer me up. I wonder if the Democrat ran as a Purple Snake, aka Pub Lite, or as a real Democrat.

IMO, Democrats need to understand that they are never going to be better at being Republicans than Republicans are. So, also IMO, a Democrat has a better chance of being elected, even in a Republican district, if you run as a good, real Democrat than you have if you run as a faux Republicon.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:03 PM
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6. This district had a Republican Rep. to begin with.
A moderate one, but a Republican.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:34 PM
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9. I'm in 23 and not opptomistic now that Dede dropped out.
But I'm still going to see VP Biden on Monday.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:35 PM
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10. Are conservatives in NY....
as backwards and hateful as they are here in the South?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:55 PM
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11. Pretty much the ones I've known. Racism is still worn like a badge around here.
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 01:55 PM by shadowknows69
Not so much now that the bigots are getting slowly but surely outnumbered by the influx of military families. Still that's been going on for decades and they still haven't managed to deal with the "multiculturalism" that entails. Let's put it this way. I was friends in high school with pretty much the only African American kid in our high school. This was the mid and late 80's.
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DumbBassRepublicans Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:00 PM
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5. NY 23rd
Sure hope so....
We'll never hear the end of it from
Fox Noise IF Hoffman wins...
Owens may surprise us all...
But it's too close to call at this point...
Like Yogi Berra said:
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future...!!"
:)
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:04 PM
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7. That seat was held by a Republican to begin with.
Fox Noise loves to makes something out of nothing.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:01 AM
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2. If the Conservative party candidate won, maybe the GOP would finally split in two.
Back in 2000 I predicted that a Bush loss would start this then.

I imagined about 15-25% of Republicans going to a Conservative third party, leaving themselves and the GOP in limbo for a generation.

That time may come.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 12:28 PM
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4. How is a conservative third party candidate doing so well in NY?
And who is he? A Ron Paul type?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:07 PM
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8. ....
http://www.cpnys.org/

Ron Paul isn't a religious fruitcake.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:57 PM
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12. Yeah, but this asshat has a reasonably good chance of winning now.
Dede at least leaned moderate if she won wouldn't be much of a change anyway. Don't expect too much of one with Owens either frankly, but Hoffman is baddddd.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:37 AM
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15. From the CP site:
NATO

NATO must redefine its mission or we should deem it an institution that outlived its usefulness.

Law Enforcement

Federal crimes should be severely punished, but, the constant expansion of the federal role in crime prevention should be tempered. Effective crime control can only be administered by local governments.

Military Forces

Our military forces are the first line of security against our external enemies. The nation must provide our forces with the most technologically advanced equipment available: Both offensive and defensive equipment. We must never place our forces under the command of foreign nationals, the United Nations or be subject to trial by the International Criminal Court and we must treat attacks against our troops as attacks against the United States of America. We are outraged by the tendency of liberals at home and the news media to treat our troops as guilty of crimes they did not commit.

The United States and Multilateral Organizations

The United States should withdraw from membership in the United Nations and associated organizations. We should not permit outside institutions to determine American policy, to supersede the governing institutions of our republic, or to tax our citizens. Recent investigations have shown that at the highest levels the United Nations is corrupt. By remaining in this institution we share responsibility for the failure to prosecute the Oil for Food Scandal and the decisions not to ostracize from the world community tyrants like Robert Mugabe and the murderers in Dafur. The UN’s record in defending the innocent is abysmal. We should not be party to these policies.


Umm, that's not Bush/Kristol neo-con. It doesn't get much more Ron Paul than that.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 06:33 PM
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14. No, a Sarah Palin type.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:40 AM
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16. She has her own anti-government views at times
I see her at odds with Bush neo-cons, and actually closer to Ron Paul than them.
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 04:29 PM
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13. are the voters stuck with electronic voting or are there lever machines there?
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 05:25 PM by diva77
it's easiest to manipulate a close race
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