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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:31 AM
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EU against unilateral change to pre-1967 Mideast borders
The European Union welcomed Thursday Israel's planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, but insisted on the need for a negotiated accord for any change to pre-1967 territorial arrangements.

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana, commenting after US President George W. Bush's backed Israel's claim to some Arab land it captured in the 1967 war, underlined that any permanent accord must have the support of all sides.

~snip~
Solana stressed that any permanent change to the pre-1967 territorial arrangements must have the backing of both sides.

"EU heads of state and government recently indicated that they would not recognize any change to the pre-1967 borders other than those arrived at by agreement between the parties.

"A permanent settlement must also include an agreed, just, fair and realistic solution to the refugee issue," he said.

~snip~
more:http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040415103745.klckcdsb
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:34 AM
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1. Like Muddle would say, stick it where the sun doesn't shine EU
<sarcasm>
bad one
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:37 AM
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2. Not sure I would say that exactly
However, their hope for some sort of solution to the Palestinian "refugee" problem can only be solved by creating a Palestinian state, NOT by right of return.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:51 AM
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12. Why not a single state? After all it would exemplify American values...
for people to be fully enfranchised in a single federal state.

Right?

Do traditional ideas of democratic pluralism not apply in this case?

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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:41 AM
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16. Read up a little on history
The Jewish people have 2,000 years of abuse when they lived in states run by others. This culminated in the Holocaust.

The Arab world has ethnically cleansed virtually all of its Jews and you expect Israel to share power (and eventually be overtaken) with Palestinians?

These same Palestinians, according to a recent survey, favor terrorist acts against Israel, I might add.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 07:54 AM
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3. Right of Return might be dropped but pre-1967 borders must be negotiated
not unilateraly declared by Sharon and certainly not supported by Bush. Clinton would not and did not support a 'unilateral' declaration of a Palestinian state although he supported the establishment of one.
Bush is just not capable of 'getting it' when comes to the ME.
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 08:01 AM
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4. The last acts of a desperate man
Bush has just won himself a lot of votes with that move. I wonder what other forign policy ssues he can turn on their heads to get re-elected at any cost??
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 08:55 AM
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5. Whose Votes Has He Gotten?
Just curious. I thought he already had supporters of Israel on his side, whether Jews or evangelicals. Legitimizing West Bank settlements is only going to lose more Arab-American votes. Only a peace agreement could improve Bush's reelection chances, and yesterday's announcement makes that less likely. I can't see how this is good political strategy.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 11:52 AM
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10. BushCo is really discounting the Arab vote
The Arab American vote is in usually in that center group of swing voters. That will change with this decision.

And you are right, Pro-Israel Jews/Catholics were already on the BushCo team.

Sharon desperately needed this, but I also do not see how Bush benefits.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 10:40 AM
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19. Hi Tripmann!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:13 AM
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6. I am certain Bush knows next to nothing about the ME
and I am also certain he has no interest whatever in
taking time to learn
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:15 AM
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8. You can't 'drop' right of return.
It's guaranteed under international law. Only individuals can decline it, not governments or other institutions.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:45 AM
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11. Right of return is dead. Fuhgeddddaboudit.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:54 AM
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13. Why?
After all the future is unwritten.

I have never understood why a single state solutions is ruled out.

Why is that?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:34 AM
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15. Because Israel says so. As a sovereign nation like any other sovereign
nation, they get the last word.

Just like any other nation would.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:41 AM
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17. Negotiate with who?
They tried negotiating with Arafathead and he declared Intifada.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:14 AM
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7. Thank you Europe!
The US and Israel will stand alone, perhaps joined by Taiwan's authorities and a couple micro-states, if they try to take Palestinian land.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:42 AM
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18. Boy you have it in for Taiwan
Says a lot in fact.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 11:25 AM
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9. the BUSH DOCTRINE
who cares what you think - gwb


peace
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Philestine Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:21 AM
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14. Don't look back, you've come to far.

I am in blood
Stepp’d in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.



What was that story about Moses and the Burning Bush?
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