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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 06:02 PM
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'Occupy' Demonstrators Battle Wind, Cold as Storm Moves In (OWS Does Not Appear to Be Losing Steam)
Edited on Sat Oct-29-11 06:11 PM by Hissyspit
Source: CNN

'Occupy' demonstrators battle wind and cold as storm moves in

From Susan Candiotti and Ross Levitt, CNN
updated 6:46 PM EST, Sat October 29, 2011

New York (CNN) -- Demonstrators encamped in a Lower Manhattan park faced New York's first snow storm of the season Saturday without the benefit of propane tanks and generators that they had been using to cook food and keep warm.

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Courtney, a resident of the New York City borough of Brooklyn, says he's been camping at the park for the last 20 days and plans to stay there -- despite the inclement weather -- to support "the cause."

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A day earlier, up to 40 firefighters removed the group's propane tanks and six generators, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said. That left the demonstrators to battle the cold weather seeping through their tents, blankets and sleeping bags.

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Despite such challenges and recent crackdowns against demonstrators nationwide, the loosely defined "Occupy" movement does not appear to be losing steam.


Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/29/us/occupy-wall-street/index.html?npt=NP1
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 06:44 PM
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1. Shows you how much
the M$M continues to be blinded by the masses who have always been living on the streets homeless, in rain, snow, sleet, hail, yet they survive. :banghead:
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 07:03 PM
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2. I'm disliking Bloomberg more each day...n/t
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 07:33 PM
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3. I never liked him. Too much of a supercilious ass.
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LZelig Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 07:59 PM
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4. Reusable Chemical Heating Pad
I wonder if these work, and if they would be helpful? Anyone familiar with them?

Reusable Chemical Heating Pad:
http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/survival-disaster/reusable-chemical-heating-pad.html


Quick Overview
Chemical Heat Pad Refillable: US Government Issue. NSN# 6530-00-786-4640. Made of heavy-duty canvas and can be used again and again. Don't waste money on the throw away ones!! You just pour 2 TBSP of water into the opening and shake and nead it. Each application is sufficient for approx 8 hours of continuous use. Unique item!! $4.99
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 08:28 PM
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5. USA SURVIVAL/ SPACE BLANKET GI
Quick Overview
The GI USA MADE Survival Blanket is a 84 in. x 60 in. multipurpose reflective thermal all weather emergency blanket with sturdy stitched nylon finished edges with corner grommets. Can be used as a tarp, blanket, water collector, or even use the reflective silver side as a signaling device.
http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/survival-disaster/blanket/usa-survival-space-blanket-gi.html

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LZelig Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:09 PM
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8. Those look useful...
I'm thinking of sending some over to Zuccotti Park. I don't want to send the heating pads unless they actually work and aren't dangerous if spilled.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 12:42 AM
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10. That is for emergency use only, better than nothing
Edited on Sun Oct-30-11 12:47 AM by happyslug
In real life you have to worry about how much is the GROUND you are laying on is absorbing your heat. To prevent that lost of heat, you need some sort of pad under your sleeping bag (and in fact you can use a very light bag, if you have an adequate pad to sleep on.

In olden days, people were taught to form pads of leaves, grass, clothing, and other items to provide some sort of insulation between you and the ground. In the 1950s the US army developed an air mattress, these were good, till their developed a hole (I had one issued to me in the 1980s, Vietnam era purchased, could not hold air, later on I was issued an even older one, that worked like a charm, but by then I had purchased a more developed form pad, which worked better then the air mattresses).

In the mid 1980s, the Army went to a one inch thick form pad, it provided insulation from the ground, thus a huge improvement over the older and leaky air mattresses. In my winter camp provided enough protection to keep you warm in your sleeping bag.

Side note: On one winter maneuver, I had brought with me an army sweater, one of my fellow soldiers asked to use it for his sleeping bag was not keeping him warm. The next morning I went to recover the sweater and found him sleeping in his sleeping bag WITHOUT a pad in the bed of his truck. I told him I can see why the Sleeping bag was NOT working for him, the wind blew under the truck bed and pulled the heat from his body for the bag could NOT insulate him from the cold UNDERNEATH him for his body was "crushing" the insulation. i.e. he had NO insulation from the bag UNDERNEATH his body. He needed some sort of pad to provide that insulation. I told him so, next time he had traded in his old air Mattress for one of the then newer pads, and no longer had a problem with his sleeping bag keeping him warm.

If winter camping, the first thing I would buy would be some sort of pad to sleep on (even if you are sleeping on the ground or on an Army cot). At least buy the one inch army pad, they are cheap.

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_510556_999_01?rgn=0,0,1021,314&scl=2.6868421052631577&fmt=jpeg&id=36CBHQUI5R1BhEPDWwd7N2
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Camping/Cots-Pads-Beds/Sleeping-Pads%7C/pc/104795280/c/104712480/sc/104484780/Cabelas-Deluxe-Camp-Bed-150-3034-x-6834-x-334/732379.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fcamping-cots-pads-beds-sleeping-pads%2F_%2FN-1100678%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104484780%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253Bcat104795280%253Bcat104712480&WTz_l=SBC%3Bcat104795280%3Bcat104712480%3Bcat104484780
This is similar to what I used (I had to get rid of it after about 20 years of hard use, this is an "open cell" pad, the cover keeps the water out, but sooner or later the "open cells" start to collapse, took mine almost 20 years of use to reach that level, but I had to get rid of it). The advantage of an Open Cell pad is the Open Cell "give" and thus more comfortable to lay on and provide greater insulation BUT at increased cost AND the need to make sure the cover prevents the cells from absorbing water. Water into the cell makes it almost unusable (Which is what happened to my pad, after 20 years of use).


http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___43019

The above is a Closed Cell Pad made by Theromrest, that is a improvement over the actual Army Sleeping pad, but as noted below not by much.


http://store.colemans.com/cart/sleeping-bag-mats-38-in-p-1759.html

The above is the Army Closed Cell Pad, at $7 a lot cheaper the the 3 inch open cell pad above (Which sells for $81,00) and a lot cheaper then the Thermorest (Which sells for $18-$24) and in many aspect good enough for most purposes.

As for sleeping bag itself, once you have an adequate sleeping pad, the quality of the Sleeping bag is less and less important (i.e. you can use Army wool blankets with a poncho and liner and be warm enough and protected from the rain and snow of winter IF you have an adequate sleeping pad).

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Xtraneous Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:22 PM
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6. The occupiers who are staying through this NY muck storm are heroes
I was out saving some trees and pushing slush. It was all I could take for a half hour and I was soaked to the bone.
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:36 PM
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7. Those kids are literally braving the elements for our
freedom.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:19 PM
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9. Bloomberg
the epitome of a bought politician. WOW, is he on the wrong side of history. Legacy? Naaahhhh.

K&R
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