More Enron Tapes, More Gloating [CBS News]

[truthisfreedom]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/08/eveningnews/main621856.shtml
More Enron Tapes, More Gloating
June 8. 2004

(CBS) 
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"What we need to do is to help in the cause of, ah, downfall of California," an employee is heard saying on the tapes. "You guys need to pull your megawatts out of California on a daily basis."

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"It's called lies. It's all how well you can weave these lies together, Shari, alright, so," an employee is heard saying.

The other employee says, "I feel like I'm being corrupted now."

The first employee adds, "No, this is marketing,"

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"If these are ever heard by a jury, they're going get strung up," says Lockyer.

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[tridim]

1. And yet the boss, Kenny Boy Lay

hasn't even been charged with a crime.

Nothing makes sense any more.

[lebkuchen]

49. It's called "democracy," Bush-style.

[bluestateguy]

2. That is why I support the death penalty for white collar crime

When fat-assed, conservative white men in suits start getting hauled off to death row for corporate crime, I guarantee you many people on this board will change their tune on capital punishment.

[alarcojon]

4. Nope, still don't support it

even for these scumbags. Life without the possibility of parole - that I can get down with. B-)

[Jackpine Radical]

6. I believe in capital punishment for corporations.

[struggle4progress]

9. Yes indeed! And a good "three strikes, you're out!" law, too.

[DBoon]

18. That's called "nationalization"

and has proven useful in the past. I think some companies in France (Renault?) were nationalized for their support of the Nazis.

Of course, you can't apply the death penalty to Enron - they have very nicely managed to commit suicide all on their own.

[TahitiNut]

37. An absolutely appropriate treatment of a criminal corporation.

This is just another example of the fascist corporatocracy - the police state can confiscate an individual citizen's personal property (autos, homes) without a trial when drugs are found on the premises, but corporations skate.

Enron is, beyond a reasonable doubt, guilty of crimes against the People. Their assets (including subsidiaries!) should be seized and their executives jailed. Fuck the "owners"!

Reliant, Duke, and all the other complicit companies should be treated likewise. Absolutely no corporation should be permitted to continue to exist when such crimes are committed.

[abelenkpe]

46. rise from the ashes

Awww, didn'tcha hear? Enron is set to rise from the ashes. Their new name is Prisma.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3773547.stm

[Hekate]

28. What, take away their capital? That'd punish 'em!

The ones at the top maybe should be drawn and quartered. Those further down (like the ones taped in rollicking laughter) should be tarred and feathered and ridden out of California on a rail.

Loathesome. Utterly loathesome.

Hekate
who lives in California

[abelenkpe]

47. Naw.

Lets not be so violent. I say they and their families should have all their assets stripped and made to work for a living say at Starbucks or the fudge factory for the rest of their natural lives. No more free rides to college, no more lobbyist positions, no chance of moving up the ladder at all. Then they could know how the rest of the working class feels about their policies: what it's like to have no health insurance, how it feels to apply for unemployment insurance, how to feed your kids and save for their education on a McJob salary.

Oh who are we kidding? These people and their bosses will never be punished. They are more likely to win a soft cushy CEO job, end up a government adviser, or win a Nobel peace prize.

[mitchum]

17. As do I

I'm really serious about that

[Bandit]

36. I am 100% opposed to Capital punishment but your arguement is

persuasive. I might reconsider my position. :+

[KansDem]

56. Right!!! Give 'em the electric chair!!!

Oh, wait...the power's out...hmmmm.

You know, that would be poetic justice }(

[notadmblnd]

40. absolutely

the corporate "leaders" and their greedy quest for money are the real terrorists in this country. They have done more to weaken national security than any extremist group out there. They need to be prosecuted, convicted, have their assets seized (to be applied to the deficit) tarred and feathered and stood out on the street with a sign that say "will work for food"

[Tommy_Douglas]

45. Death penalty for the corporation itself...

Kill the company called Enron, and jail its exec's for life in a nice general population prison where they can make friends with the same sort of people they've screwed over.

[TrustingDog]

57. I dig that....

I would like to see capital punishment only dealt to those with trusted office. When kill by 100s or 1000s while the paté is dripping down their gluttoness chins. Let the last thing they see is their feet swinging in the wind at the end of the noose. but I don't see that as a rightful punishment for some poor kid stuck in circumstances that those fat bastids had part of.

[The Zanti Regent]

3. Yet CBS SAT on these tapes to help Arnold steal the governorship!

So much for liberal media.

Time and Time again, Dan Blather will do ANYTHING for his Nazi pals!

[Shakespeare]

5. Really? Do you have a link for that?

I hadn't heard anything about CBS having the tapes 9-10 months ago.

[Justice]

8. I thought the Justice Dept had them

but I can't seem to figure out when Justice obtained them.

[DemoTex]

7. Kenny-boy Lay will get pardoned by Bu$h ... sooner or later.

But not before the 11/2/04 "elections." If Bu$h is not re-selected, the pardon will come before Bu$h leaves office. The big message in a pardon will be to the top contributers, not to the overwhelming majority wanting and demanding justice in this case. Mark my word.

[midnight armadillo]

32. Kenny-boy's pardon

Can he be pardoned before being accused of a crime or indicted?

[notadmblnd]

41. doesn't he need to be arrested tried and convicted first?

before the little chimp can pardon him? I don't think there's enough time for all that especially in light of the chimps little evil schemes finally coming to light.

[boobooday]

10. YES, the death penalty should be reserved for corporations

SMASH THEM when they break the law.



http://www.wgoeshome.com

[shanti]

11. as a californian

this really sickens me...and i hope they do HANG!!!!! :grr:

[koopie57]

12. I think hanging is too easy

I think they should be forced to live like many of the people they screwed. Living in a small, cramped, apartment; no heat in the winter, no air conditioning in the summer, no feeling of safety, not enough of anything. That is what I would like to see.

[Blue Gardener]

29. With lots of critters running around

Make sure that apartment is rat and cockroach infested, with the lead paint peeling off the walls. And maybe some neighbors that play their music really, really loud, 24 hours a day.

[Piperay]

26. Me too...

I remember stuck with no power and then to hear those assholes laughing about it. :mad: I'm not a violent person but when I heard that I wanted to beat the shit out of them. :grr:

[spooked]

13. These ILLEGAL PROFITS were used to contribute to the BUSH CAMPAIGN!!

Don't you see WHY they did it?!

So that all of California would be hating Clinton (and what, vote Republican?); So that Ken Lay would be named Secretary of Energy?! (maybe in their delusional thinking)

No...it was so that they could donate HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars to the Bush campaign (while they donated barely over 9,000 to Gore's campaign during the same period)!


THOSE POOR FAMILIES who lost their homes helped to pay for Bush dinners and jets!!

Those ILLEGAL PROFITS were contributed to Bush! You didn't think they were going to give the Bush Campaign any of their own money, did you?! The Greedy B*stards!

[DBoon]

19. Well it did get Herr Body-builder elected

Gray Davis took the blow over the energy crises. They eliminated the Democratic governor.

[JDPriestly]

24. Enron donations

How right you are! The more money Enron made, the more money Enron executives could give to Bush's campaign. The Republican motto is "Cherchez la femme." The Democratic motto should be "Follow the money."

The Republicans have established a cycle of corruption. Republican politicians pass laws that deregulate corporations, which leads to corporate crime, which leads to higher profits for corporations, who pay more and more money to their corporate officers, directors and executives, who pay bigger and bigger donations to Republican candidates, who pass laws that allow more corporate crime, and round and round.

www.booboobush.com

[dArKeR]

14. Ah-no should be recalled because he assumed office under false pretences

I read so many reports saying the republicans report the CA energy crisis was totally and 100% the fault of Davis. This was repeated so many times on the Whore Media it cost Davis the recall election.

This was a plan from Cheney, Bush, and Ken Lay to better their odds at taking CA electoral votes in 2004.

[spooked]

34. Exactly! They need to put a "Katherine Harris" into place in CA!

and they can only do that with a Rupublican Governor.

[spooked]

15. My God!

Bush Campaign and Enron illegal profits!


"Meanwhile in Washington, the company was paying Quinn Gillespie &
Associates, a Washington lobby shop, more than half a million dollars
in the first seven months of 2001 to lobby the "Executive Office of
the President" on the "California electric crisis," according to the
lobbying disclosure report filed with Congress on April 10, 2001.

Ed Gillespie, the firm's co-founder, was former communications
director at the Republican National Committee and a top Bush adviser
during the campaign.

Quinn Gillespie was lobbying to prevent the federal government from
delving into the crisis and re-regulating electricity.

By this time, Bush himself was spouting the line that the people of
California would just have to face up to the crisis of their own
making.

On January 30, 2001, the new president sought to distance his
administration from the California energy crisis, arguing that his
energy task force would seek long-term remedies, not short-term fixes.


Bush said he believed California's energy deregulation plan was to
blame for the state's problem, which "is going to be best remedied in
California by Californians."



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=california+energy+crisis+bush+enron&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&as_drrb=b&selm=3ce1922f.444937336%40nntp.ix.netcom.com&rnum=4

[moondust]

16. Deregulation is so exciting!

Destroying economies, killing off poor people who can't pay their electric bills, plunging millions into the dark! A thousand points of darkness! Yay! An administration that will not intervene in the workings of free markets! Yay for freedom!

How lucky we are that we have these god-like American businessmen and their god-like American corporations to rely on for dependable energy to hospitals and schools, refrigeration, and the computers that run virtually everything!

Deregulation is good! Gummit is bad! Deregulation is good! Gummit is bad! Deregulation is good! Gummit is bad! Deregulation is good! Gummit is bad! ...

[ewagner]

20. What other proof do we need?

to put Cheney and Bush in the slammer? Look at this:

On March 18, Kelliher--a top official of the Department of
Energy--asked in an e-mail to a key natural gas industry lobbyist, "If
you were King, or Il Duce, what would you include in a national energy
policy, especially with respect to natural gas issues? I am working up
the policy elements, and am less confident of my judgement on gas
pipeline issues than other areas, and thought I would pick your
brain."

[DBoon]

21. I love the LA DWP!!

Never joined Cal ISO. Never part of deregulation. Kept their generating plants. Good, reliable, inexpensive electricity.

I love socialism.

[TrustingDog]

22. Ken Lay Photo...

[TrustingDog]

23. and the energy fiasco was blamed on Grey Davis?

This is what the recall was really all about? hahahahah!

[pfitz59]

25. Gray Davis should sue Ahhhhnuld......

and demand the minutes of his 2001 meeting with Kenny Boy! Just what deal was it they were making?

[NashVegas]

50. LMAO

thanks for that.

[radfringe]

27. should be made into a commercial

running crawler of the transcript/voices, and after each "segment" fade the voices and flash video clip of bush* saying "I don't know ken lay..."

[TrustingDog]

52. A collection of BushLay letters...

Read these and freak right out. They talk about surgeries, music, all kinds of stuff you do with total strangers. :P

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlay1.html

[Disturbed]

30. From San Francisco Area

I am so freakin' disgusted with this. Even more so, suspecting that these scum will prolly get away with their crimes.

[dusty64]

31. Wow, I'm surprised this

even made it on the news. What does reagan have to say about this?

[Snellius]

33. I wish they would replay that Russert interview with Cheney

shilling for Enron, arrogantly blaming reckless Californians and their "flawed energy plan", patiently explaining how the reason they were getting robbed in full daylight wasn't the energy companies, but their own fault. Just the invisible divine hand of the laws of supply and demand. Cheney should be in jail as an accessory.

[AP]

35. That's fascism.

Corporations trying to control government.

Arnold was brought to you by fascism.

[TahitiNut]

42. Exactly.

It's not "becoming"; it's done. Populism (an obscene perversion of "democracy") controlled by propagandistic corporate media that Goebbels would admire. Albert Speer would love the way the petrochemical-energy cabal has taken power.

[spooked]

38. How many heat-related deaths are they responsible for!?

when people couln't afford to run air conditioners?!


Nine dead after freak Northern California heatwave
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=california++heat+died&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=6&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=8&as_maxy=2000&selm=394A7E79.893C277C%40tampabay.rr.com&rnum=1

[NashVegas]

51. You Can't Blame that on Enron

Two people died at a local nursing home which did not have air
conditioning, while others died after attempting yard work in
temperatures that went as high as 109 degrees Fahrenheit (42.7 degrees
Celsius).

[skippysmom]

39. why isn't this a bigger story?

i am so sick of the media whores.

[spooked]

43. recallgraydavis.com used the fraudulent energy crisis to recall Davis

www.recallgraydavis.com
http://www.recallgraydavis.com/FiveReasons.asp

TOP 5 REASONS TO RECALL GRAY DAVIS

#4. California and The Nation Still Suffer from the Davis Power Crisis: Californians are paying the highest utility bills in the nation because of Davis’ gross mishandling of the state’s power crisis. This has hurt other states as well as the notoriety of the California Energy Crisis created a disincentive for other states to explore reforms to public power agencies as the means of providing affordable electricity to the public.

[spooked]

44. Man who ran recallgraydavis.com now head of Move America Forward!

Howard Kaloogian, who ran the recallgraydavis.com campaign now heads up the conservative organization Move America Forward.

This site was JUST LAUNCHED on May 21, 2004.

Preparing the Advertising Campaign
June 1, 2004

"Right now Move America Forward is working feverishly to prepare for the launch of our national ad campaign to tell the American people the positive stories and developments in the war against terrorism that they won’t be hearing from the shamelessly biased news media.

And our ads will also expose those “Domestic Enemies” who have acted egregiously and who deserve public shaming and condemnation."


BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN ADS!!





http://www.moveamericaforward.org/

"Are you tired of the constant stream of America-bashing from the shamelessly liberal news media and left-wing politicians who use every negative news story to launch a political attack against our military and our commander in chief?

Then join with the millions of Americans who are uniting to “Move America Forward” to win the War on Terrorism. Join our effort to stand up and support the brave men and women of our Armed Forces who are coming under constant criticism and condemnation from journalists and leftist anti-war activists.

Each day there are thousands of positive things U.S. Troops are doing to better the lives of the people of Afghanistan and Iraq and to make this world a safer place. We are winning the war on terrorism. But you wouldn’t know it from watching the major television networks or reading the major daily newspapers.

The terrorists have made their intention clear – to eradicate the Western ideals that America stands for. There can be no surrender on our part. This is not about a war in a distant land; it is about a war that will be on our shores again if we don’t prevail. Yet, we are in danger of waving the white flag unless ordinary Americans like you stand up and take action right now.

Join us as we report on the “good news” you don’t hear about in the War on Terrorism and the heroic actions of our troops. Help us spread the message that we must stay strong and united in our efforts to eradicate terrorist cells around the world and here in the United States. And help us repel and rebuff the “Bash America” rhetoric from those who are trying to rally the public against our military, our nation’s leaders and the War Against Terror.

Standing together and united we will prevail.

Sincerely Yours,

Howard Kaloogian
Chairman, Move America Forward


REPORT ON THE "GOOD NEWS"?? Is this giving the War on Terror religious undertones or what?!

[Fovea]

48. This story is not going to die

Reagan will not smother it, another 911 would not smother it. It is a part of a far larger criminal conspiracy to turn the world into an energy monopoly.

Its about oil, its about oil, its about oil.

[TrustingDog]

53. BushLay - letters between Strangers....

Read these and freak right out. They talk about surgeries, music, all kinds of stuff you do with total strangers. :P

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlay1.html

this is a double post, sorry. I still don't know how things work here with replies and wot wot. Wanted this at the end.

[TrustingDog]

54. This line seems vaguely familiar....

"I did not have personal relationships with this man"...

[Fovea]

55. Welcome to DU!

and thanks for the URL.

[TrustingDog]

58. Most Welcome...

I had that address just after the Enron fiasco - haven't looked at it myself for quite some time now. Can't remember where my car keys are most of the time or whether the telephone bill is paid, but I remember these important things. heh.

[DemonFighterLives]

59. Thanks and Welcome to Du

It is time to show these letters around again.
Kenny, I hardly knew yee!