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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:15 PM
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Democrats Grapple With Dukakis' Legacy
Democrats Grapple With Dukakis' Legacy
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: July 12, 2004


Filed at 2:52 p.m. ET

BOSTON (AP) -- Michael Dukakis is not expecting a starring role at the Democratic National Convention, even though it is being held in his home state.

Fairly or unfairly, the former presidential candidate represents every political label that Democrats want their current candidate to avoid: liberal, soft-on-crime, tax-and-spend, and loser to a man named Bush.

To embrace him would surely dredge up unflattering memories of the oft-caricatured politician's amazing plummet in the 1988 campaign -- and invite trouble for this year's nominee from Massachusetts: Sen. John Kerry, who served as Dukakis' lieutenant governor for two years.

``The first rule for the Democrats is to avoid a picture of John Kerry and Mike Dukakis together at all costs,'' said Rob Gray, a former spokesman for Republican Massachusetts Gov. William Weld.

``Dukakis' race was an embarrassment for the party. He blew a 17-point lead. And the party feels in retrospect that they nominated the wrong guy.''


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Democrats-Dukakis.html
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:22 PM
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1. Alright, Who Comes Up With This Crap?
I don't think I have even heard the name Dukakis in about a year. Hooray for the "liberal" media. They know where the real stories are.

Jay
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:28 PM
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3. Indeed, what crap.
Looking for anything that will stick, like a week or two
ago when we had to belabor Clintoon's blowjob all over again
for a week. :puke:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 03:03 PM
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14. Indeed... the timing here is suspect
Why bring this up now, if at all?

Where's the Rethugs grapple with legacy of death and destruction and draconian tactics article?

Geez. :eyes:

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wyethwire Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:48 PM
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24. It must be a real slow news day
to come up with a nazel gazer like this
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wyethwire Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:50 PM
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25. Surprised this wasn't in the Boston Globe
they normally indulge in this sort of self-indulgent thumb-sucker reporting.
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wyethwire Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:51 PM
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26. Hub man killed in atom blast n/t
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:27 PM
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2. Republicans grapple with Nixon legacy
Take that!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:29 PM
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4. Yeah "Republicans grapple with Hoover's legacy" ... nt
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 03:04 PM
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15. and Wendell Wilkie's legacy
and Dewey
and Goldwater
and Ford

what a bunch of malarkey
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:29 PM
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5. Just what I was going to say.
How come nobody brought that up when Bush 1 was running? Dukakis never got to be President. How lame can they get?
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 03:32 PM
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17. Trouble is, they don't grapple with anything...
They seem to think it's their birthright to screw everybody over with no apologies.

That's why they hate Nixon...He had the audacity to resign in disgrace.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:31 PM
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6. cheney that, publicans grapple with busholini legacy.
Worst. (pseudo)President.Ever
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:33 PM
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7. Bush can't carry Dukakis' lunch!
What a piece of shit article. ``Dukakis' race was an embarrassment for the party. He blew a 17-point lead. And the party feels in retrospect that they nominated the wrong guy.'' Bullshit... Bush, Atwater, and Rove did it.

Dukakis is a brilliant man. These people are assholes.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 05:29 PM
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20. It's sad that Dukakis is marginalized so
He was indeed brilliant and he was also the longest serving governor in Massachusetts' history.
I agree though that with photo ops in consideration he should be avoided in pictures with Kerry for now.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:31 PM
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23. I met Michael and Kitty a few years ago....
.. and had the pleasure of hearing him speak on economic issues. He is truly a gifted man. It was such a source of frustration to hear him speak so clearly and brilliantly about our Country, and the world, and know that the Bush gang just destroyed him politcally. HE is the type of president the country could use... knows what the hell is going on. When we started electing presidents based on image and looks, we were sunk.

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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:34 PM
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8. what, pray tell, is
'The Legacy'? He was not elected and Xcept 4 the commercial last year has been low profile. What Xactly is his legacy? I would think Clinton would have erased a Dulakis 'legacy'.

The whorporate media just eats this shit up The saurov machine pumps it out and they eat it up.
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:38 PM
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9. cheney grapples with
evil sack of shit legacy...
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:42 PM
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10. AP is a Bushevik Organization. This is a standard hit piece
using innuendo, asscoiation, connaotations and Newt's Contrasting Words.

As little as I trust AP pieces where the particular Bushvik Mockingbird is named as author (well, I have no doubt there are a few honest reporters left, most with Bushevik ockingbird Bosses, though), the only thing I would trust less is an unsigned AP Piece.

AP is crooked and very Bushevik influenced and controlled.

It is NO coincidence that AP was selected to do the Imperial Exit Polls where all polls will now agree with The State.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:44 PM
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11. Don't blame me, I voted for Gephardt in 1988
NT
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King of New Orleans Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:57 PM
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12. I voted for Paul Simon
Wish that ugly son-of-a-gunderson had gotten the nomination.

RIP
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 03:00 PM
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13. Should I hold my breath waiting?
How long do you suppose it will be until the Times runs a story with the headline: "Republicans grapple with Dole legacy"?

Tell me that one about the librul media again? That one allus cracks me up!
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 03:08 PM
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16. Dukakis' worst legacy
was that he let the Liberal label be sullied and never made an attempt to defend it. If a picture of Kerry and Dukakis turns up Kerry should use that opportunity to right the wrong that Dukasis did to the liberals. If a picture of Dukakis as "Rocky the Flying Squirrel" turns up Dukakis is just going to have to live with that all over again and hopefully Kerry won't repeat that mistake by riding around in a helmet and tank. :puke:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 05:01 PM
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18. What a load of cak
What a bunch of idiots.

A perfect example of how the media fall all over themselves to print the most outlandish garbage from the Republican party.

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 05:14 PM
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19. What a joke. A big joke. Let's try and pull out all the bad
marks we can from the past...:eyes:
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 07:06 PM
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21. I will never figure out,
how willie horton and the goofy tank, trumped the treason of Iran-contra and the outrageous S&L scandal. Sheeple will be sheeple, I guess.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:57 PM
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28. You said it
More from the Lee Atwater school of filthy smear campaigns disguised as "news."
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:15 PM
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22. another right wing talking point developing...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:53 PM
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27. Reply: BS- the only people "grappling" with Dukakis are RWers.
Text:
Go ahead, let them believe Kery is Dukakis. It aint happening.
In fact, I have never heard a Democrat mention his name in years- just pundits.
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:06 PM
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29. Better not get a photo of * with Poppy!
After all, Poppy lost to a man named Clinton!

Since when does anyone care what "a former spokesman for Republican Massachusetts Gov. William Weld" thinks on Democratic issues?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:00 PM
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30. can't the media let this rest?
Edited on Mon Jul-12-04 10:03 PM by WI_DEM
They dredge up McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis like they are boogey men when infact they had more principles in their little fingers than most national democrats today have in their whole bodies. McGovern and Mondale had the unfortunate task of running against popular incumbent presidents--especially Mondale in '84 when it is highly doubtful any democrat could have beat Reagan. Nixon in '72 was coming off of the Russia and China trips and de-escalating the war in Vietnam to a certain extent. Dukakis, I'll admit it he blew a strong lead--but he is a good man. All three deserve the respect of the democratic party.
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LefterThanMost Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:05 PM
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31. Kerry should embrace Dukakis now!
Dukakis is the heart and soul of the Democratic party. Why on Earth would Kerry hide that fact? Only the hard right has a problem with Dukakis and Kerry needs him now more than ever.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:34 PM
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32. total RW propaganda. How transparent!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:16 AM
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33. Non-NeoCons are grappling with FratBoy's future legacy....
...just imagine what that guy is capable of doing if he somehow manages to retain control.
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