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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:15 PM
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Osama being treated by Pak Army
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-789042,curpg-1.cms

TIMES NEWS NETWORK< SATURDAY, JULY 24, 2004 12:56:40 PM >

WASHINGTON: Pakistan's intelligence officials knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks, a well-known American analyst has said, based on a
"stunning document" that he claims was given by a Pakistani source to the 9/11 Commission on the eve of the publication of its report.


The document, from a high-level, but anonymous Pakistani source, also claims that Osama bin Laden has been receiving periodic dialysis in a
military hospital in Peshawar, says Arnaud de Borchgrave, editor-at-large of the news agency UPI.

''The imprints of every major act of international Islamist terrorism invariably passes through Pakistan, right from 9/11 - where virtually all the
participants had trained, resided or met in, coordinated with, or received funding from or through Pakistan,'' Borchgrave cites the confidential
document as saying.

But one does not have to go to Borchgrave's unnamed sources to find Pakistan’s involvement in terrorist activity leading to 9/11. The 9/11
commission report itself nails Pakistan in chapter after chapter, revealing that the Pakistani intelligence was in cahoots with the Taliban and al
Qaeda, far more than Iran and Iraq ever were.

Among the inquiry commission's observations, quoted verbatim here

* Pak intel is in bed with bin Laden and would warn him that the United States was getting ready for a bombing
campaign'' – quoting Richard Clarke

* Islamabad was behaving like a rogue state in two areas – backing Taliban/bin Laden terror and provoking war with India'' - quoting NSC Bruce
Riedel

* Pakistani intelligence officers reportedly introduced bin Laden to Taliban leaders in Kandahar -Commission's own observation.

* Pakistan's military intelligence service, known as the ISID (Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate), was the Taliban's primary patron -
Commission's observation

* Pakistan helped nurture the Taliban. The Pakistani army and intelligence services, especially below the top ranks, have long been ambivalent
about confronting Islamist extremists. Many in the government have sympathized with or provided support to the extremists - Commission's
observation.
Elsewhere, even as the Bush administration made a big to-do about ten hijackers passing through Iran and tried to implicate Teheran on that
grounds, the 9/11 report shows that several hijackers who rammed the planes into American targets used Karachi as a base and trained there for
weeks on end.

In fact, the report paints Karachi as the gateway to terrorism, drawing an elaborate picture of the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
using the port city to plan the attack, gather the hijackers there, and put them through their paces.

"Much of his (KSM's) activity in mid-1999 had revolved around the collection of training and informational materials for the participants in the
planes operation," the 9/11 report says. "For instance, he collected Western aviation magazines; telephone directories for American cities such as
San Diego and Long Beach, California (from Karachi flea markets); brochures for schools; and airline timetables, and he conducted Internet
searches on US flight schools."

"He also purchased flight simulator software and a few movies depicting hijackings. To house his students, KSM rented a safehouse in Karachi
with money provided by bin Laden," the report adds.

But all this is not good enough for the American media, which has almost completely ignored Pakistan’s role in 9/11 while going on a feeding
frenzy over a few speculative morsels tossed out by the Bush administration about the involvement of Iran and Iraq.

Not a single US TV channel or newspaper collated, let alone reported or highlighted, the multiple indictment of Pakistan contained in the report.
Even a cursory key word search would have shown more than 200 references to Pakistan, many of them damning. There are less than 100
references to Iran and Iraq combined.

While the commission report repeatedly implicates Pakistan and its intelligence agency ISI in terrorist activity, it too appears to have failed to
record some well-chronicled events that might have pointed to the impending catastrophe.

For instance, the report does not contain any reference to Niaz Khan, a Pakistani waiter in Britain who walked into an FBI office in New Jersey
nearly a year before 9/11 and alerted them about a plot to fly planes into buildings. Nor does it go into reports that terrorist mastermind
Mohammed Atta received a wire transfer of funds from a source in Karachi connected to the ISI.

Despite this, Pakistan finds itself incriminated in the report far more than Iran or Iraq. The commission itself is frequently censorious of Pakistan's
role, but in the end it recommends more carrots as a means of bringing back what it suggests is a failed state from the brink.

Pakistani officials have issued their pro forma denials about Islamabad's involvement, clutching instead at a few paras in the report that
recommend a sustained (and conditional) US engagement with the military dictatorship.

</snip>

This article on the report of the 9/11 Commission asks why the US media has so far

"almost completely ignored Pakistan’s role in 9/11 while going on a feeding frenzy over a few speculative morsels tossed out
by the Bush administration about the involvement of Iran and Iraq.. Not a single US TV channel or newspaper collated, let alone reported or
highlighted, the multiple indictment of Pakistan contained in the (9/11 Commission) report. Even a cursory key word search would have shown more than
200 references to Pakistan, many of them damning. There are less than 100 references to Iran and Iraq combined".

It's still not late. One hopes the US print, online, TV and audio media will make up for the lost time and start calling a spade
a spade.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:26 PM
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1. Didn't the US recently forgive a $495 million loan to Pakistan?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:32 PM
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2. Pakistan has nukes.
How many?
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:48 AM
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18. Total of 1.5 billion so far.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:34 PM
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3. And the head of the ISI was meeting US counterparts on Sept 11..
The reason Pakistan is being overlooked, is because Pakistan's ISI is the route through which the US communicates with "Al Qaeda".

"Al Qaeda" always has been, and always will be a US "asset".
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REVOLT823 Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:41 PM
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7. Pakistan's ISI is also harbouring Dawood Ibrahim, one of the largest
crime lords in the world, and the person thought to have helped Osama get out of Afghanistan using his heroin smuggling routes.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:55 PM
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4. Times of India

Given the situation between India and Pakistan, I'd like to see a second source on this "stunning document" claim -- particularly since their only source appears to be an (anonymous) "well-known American analyst".


MDN

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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:00 PM
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5. Heh, heh!
Maybe the "well-known analyst" is Dick Morris!

If they have him in their dialysis center, I'm sure they will decide to turn him over to an American hospital in, say, October.


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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:25 AM
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21. It's Been Known Since Autumn 2001
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 11:27 AM by Crisco
October 7, 2001: ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed is replaced in the face of US pressure after links are discovered between him, Saeed Sheikh, and the funding of the 9/11 attacks. Mahmood instructed Saeed to transfer $100,000 into hijacker Mohamed Atta's bank account prior to 9/11 (see Early August 2001 (D) or June 29, 2000-September 18, 2000; it hasn't been reported which $100,000 money transfer this refers to). This is according to Indian intelligence, which claims the FBI has privately confirmed the story. The story is not widely reported in Western countries, though it makes the Wall Street Journal. It is reported in Pakistan as well. The Northern Alliance also repeats the claim in late October. In Western countries, the usual explanation is that Mahmood is fired for being too close to the Taliban.

http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/AAisidrugs.html

And in case you were unaware, the hotel Daniel Perle, whose beat included study terrorist finance circles, was staying at when he was kidnapped was said to be crawling with ISI.

http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript236_full.html

Read the interview at the bottom of the page.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:03 PM
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6. Pakistan & India are our Buddies Because of the Oil Pipeline
through afghanistan to the Caspian Sea

Its all Money
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:58 AM
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12. That poipeline is dead
India signed a deal with Iran to build an undersea pipeline. Indians will never trust their major energy source to come through Pakistani territory.

This has made Bushco mad because all their Afghan adventure becomes a waste if the only market for the pipeline -- India won't use it.

That is one of the main reasons why Bush is patronizing Musharraf - a dictator.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:47 PM
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8. 911 axis of evil
Bush administration, Pakistan, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.
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rednek_Liberal Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:00 AM
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9. One thing that has never been clear to me...
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 12:01 AM by rednek_Liberal
Does Osama still have most of his wealth? if so why doesen't he just get a transplant? I know you can get one for the right price in say Chile. I know I would If I had the liquidity.It would make hiding out easier by eing much less visible at the Dialysis unit.


on edit: typo
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monchie Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:10 AM
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10. I wouldn't put much stock in this.
The source is Arnaud de Borchgrave, who I wouldn't trust if he told me the sky was blue. I've long suspected him of being a peddler of disinformation, ever since I read his fictional book, "The Spike." The book itself is about how the evil Soviets peddled disinformation--deliberately misleading information--to naive liberal journalists, with the end result being the weakening of America. The further I got into the book, the more I got the distinct impression that de Borchgrave was using what I now know is one of the most common propaganda techniques around: accusing your opponents of exactly what you yourself are most guilty of. Also, when he was promoting the book in interviews, he would make a big deal about how the Russians even had a word for this concept--something like "Disinformazaya"--but isn't that obviously a Russification of an English word?

That's not to say that the Soviets never did such a thing; it's just that my BS detector went off, warning me that de Borchgrave is probably just as guilty if not more guilty of this kind of behavior than his fictional Soviet spies.

Also, de Borchgrave is a longtime cog in the Moonie propaganda apparatus. He was the first editor of the Washington MOONIE Times and is now working for the Moonie-owned UPI.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:02 AM
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13. De Borchgrave is not the only source...
.. the article also cites from the 9/11 commission report.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:20 AM
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15. Quite right, de Borchgrave is an "agent of influence" for the CIA.
Always has been. See: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Arnaud_de_Borchgrave

Nevertheless, the fact that he is now putting out this line says something about how the game is being played.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 12:58 AM
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11. Cosmicone when posting articles in LBN please remember DU copyright rules.
Excerpted material from copyrighted articles is limited to four paragraphs.

Thank you
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 01:03 AM
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14. My bad
I'll remember it the next time :)
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 06:17 AM
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16. one is not 'treated periodically' with dialysis
it is my understanding that this is an on-going weekly treatment, maybe more frequent, depending upon stage of progression of ESRD. You don't just go and 'hook-up' every month or so.

OBL probably has his own dialysis machine stashed somewhere, if he's even still alive.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 11:07 AM
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20. True
but if he has 'his own' dialysis machine(s), he may still turn up in hospital periodically for a 'check up' or some meds, or ... whatever.

:shrug:
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missile_bender Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 07:03 AM
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17. Borchgrave works for UPI, which is owned by Rev. Moon
making it a sister to the Washington Times.

That does not mean, however, the report is untrue. The Times often get leaked to it important documents.

It's just another factoid in this whole strange mess.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:52 AM
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19. Additional sources on Saeed Sheikh and Dawood Ibrahim
Edited on Sun Jul-25-04 10:58 AM by starroute
More on Omar Saeed Sheikh:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essaysaeed.html

More on Dawood Ibrahim:
http://www.saag.org/papers9/paper818.html
http://www.pakistan-facts.com/article.php/20021213163125719
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1903/19030300.htm

"Before March 1993, the Dawood Ibrahim group, which indulges in large-scale smuggling, money-laundering and other criminal activities, was operating from Dubai. In March 1993, this group organised at the instance of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of Pakistan a series of explosions directed at important economic targets in Mumbai---such as the local stock exchange, which is the biggest in India, a local hotel for tourists run by the Air India etc.

"In Pakistan, Dawood managed to establish another huge empire, comprising both legitimate and illegitimate businesses. In fact, the last few years have witnessed Dawood emerge as the don of Karachi. Dawood and his men have made heavy investments in prime properties in Karachi and Islamabad and are major players in the Karachi bourse and in the parallel credit system business--hundi. Dawood is also said to have rescued Pakistan's Central Bank, which was in crisis at one point, by providing a huge dollar loan. His businesses include gold and drug smuggling. The gang is also allegedly heavily involved in (cricket) match-fixing."


"As compared to paltry budgets of Indian intelligence agencies, Pakistan's all-powerful Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) has billions of dollars at its disposal and a significant contribution -- of $1 billion -- comes from underworld don Dawood Ibrahim every year. Well-placed sources in the Vajpayee government disclosed to The Tribune here today that Dawood generate this whopping amount through narcotics as he operated and controlled the entire drug mafia on behalf of the ISI."


What I find particularly disquieting is that the CIA model of drug-running, money-laundering, and arms-trading is now being picked up by other countries' security agencies, by terrorists, and by local mafiosi everywhere. The sums of money involved are huge and the results are politically destabilizing. It was bad enough when all this activity was under US control, but now that it's gotten loose, it's a hundred times worse. This is apparently the stuff Sibel Edmonds is trying to warn us about.

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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 02:43 PM
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22. Here's the original UPI article

"...The Pakistan Army consistently denies giving the militants anything more than moral, diplomatic and political support. The reality is quite different. ISI issues money and directions to militant groups, specially the Arab hijackers of 9/11 from al-Qaida. ISI was fully involved in devising and helping the entire affair. And that is why people like Hamid Gul and others very quickly stated the propaganda that CIA and Mossad did it."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040722-051231-9906r.htm

Arnaud de Borchgrave may be a dodgy character, but I find the article quite persuasive. It ties in with everything else I've learned, which is that the Pakistani ISI were behind the 9/11 attacks (as they guided al-Qaeda) and the US knew about this, probably before 9/11, but certainly after. Either way, a massive cover up.

Note also this LA Times article, which quotes people within the 9/11 Commission saying Pakistan was "up to its eyeballs" in intrigue with al-Qaeda and the Taliban:

http://scoop.agonist.org/story/2004/6/20/132815/063

Then compare that with the 9/11 Commission's final whitewash report, which mentions the ISI like 4 times, most in a post-9/11 context. Remember that the Commission wanted a unanimous report, so if even one member didn't like something, it was out. Triumph of the bland.
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