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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:30 AM
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Putin Says Link Probed Between Al Qaeda, Chechens
Edited on Tue Aug-31-04 10:33 AM by liberalnproud
Putin Says Link Probed Between Al Qaeda, Chechens


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Aug 31, 11:01 am ET

By Ron Popeski
SOCHI, Russia (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday investigators were probing a possible link between al Qaeda and Chechen rebels widely believed to have downed two Russian passenger planes a week ago.

At a meeting with the leaders of France and Germany, Putin also defended Sunday's election in the turbulent Chechnya region, which was denounced by rights groups as stage-managed, and by Washington and the European Union as seriously flawed.

Chechens had voted "with their feet" to stay in the Russian fold and finally find peace, Putin said.

An al Qaeda-linked group had claimed responsibility for the near-simultaneous attacks that killed 90 people, Putin told a news conference after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and French President Jacques Chirac.



http://news.excite.com/article/id/40834|world|08-31-2004::11:11|reuters.html

here is another link

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6114845
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:32 AM
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1. The Osama card... how predicatable n/t
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 03:26 PM
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10. kick
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:35 AM
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2. Comrade Putin and Bunnypants* ARE soulmates after all...
They are both using nearly identical strategy to subjugated their nation.

Pity the Russians. They are almost already back where they started.

At least our migthy system of 225 years of Constitutional Governance is taking a long time to fully dismantle, giving us all a little extra time...
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 11:17 AM
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5. ARE soulmates after all..."
You didn't think they were rabbit hunting when Putin was in Crawford did you.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:41 AM
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3. Putin will stop at nothing to hide the crimes of Russia in Chechnya.
Want real terrorism and real terrorists? Look into the history of how Russian troops have treated the Chechen population the last ten years. And then look into the history of what the USSR did to the Chechens during WWII.

This is shameless and sick. Putin has no shame.
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cspiguy Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 11:08 AM
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4. riiiiiight. He also has said that he informed * about Iraqi plans to
commit terraism on amurkan soil.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 12:18 PM
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6. Both seem to have the same reading list.
My Pet Scapegoat
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:29 PM
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9. Ha! I love it!
"My Pet Scapegoat"
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:01 PM
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7. Glad to be Deceived: the International Community and Chechnya
http://www.hrvc.net/news2004/27-1-04.html#hrw

"The armed conflict in Chechnya, now in its fourth year, is the most serious human rights crisis of the new decade in Europe. It has taken a disastrous toll on the civilian population and is now one of the greatest threats to stability and rule of law in Russia. Yet the international community’s response to it has been shameful and shortsighted.

The international community has a moral and political obligation to protect fundamental rights of people in and around Chechnya. It should with a unified voice be prevailing on the Russian government to halt forced disappearances, torture, and arbitrary detention, which Russian forces perpetrate on a daily basis. It should be compiling documentation about abuses into an authoritative, official record. It should be vigorously pressing for a credible accountability process for perpetrators of serious violations of international humanitarian law, and should think strategically about how to achieve this when the Russian court system fails to deliver justice. And it should stop Russia from forcing the return of displaced people to areas where their safety and well-being cannot be ensured.

But none of this has happened. The international community has instead chosen the path of self-deception, choosing to believe Russia’s claims that the situation in Chechnya is stabilizing, and so be spared of making tough decisions about what actions are necessary to stop flagrant abuses and secure the well-being of the people of the region.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:04 PM
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8. Of truth and lies and presidents
http://www.hrvc.net/articles/putley2.html

"Two lies: that Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev was a terrorist; and that he was not assassinated by the Russian security services.

As to the second lie, we now have the verdict of an honest Qatari judge, who found that the two GRU men sent by the Russians to murder Mr Yandarbiyev in February of this year were indeed guilty of the crime of murder, and sentenced them to life imprisonment. There remains only this to be said: the Russian state itself is now publicly declared to be guilty of terrorism (a fact already fully established by the conduct of Russian armed forces in Chechnya); and the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, in saying that the two murderers were innocent, condemns himself as a liar by his own words. «The Russian leadership issued an order to assassinate the former Chechen leader Yandarbiyev," the judge is reported as saying — a statement fully consistent with the report by the Qatari newspaper Al-Rayah, last April, that the assassination was carried out on the personal orders of the Russian defence minister, Sergei Ivanov.

We can now see more clearly why the Russian defence made their strange request for the court proceedings to be secret. Regrettably the court consented to this, contrary to its normal practice. While secret trials are still frequent in the Russian system of justice, this is so because the state wishes the court proceedings to be secret, not to protect the innocent, but to hide from public view the inadequacy of the prosecution case, and so that false verdicts may be brought while the truth is hidden from the Russian people at large.

In the Qatar trial which has just concluded, heavy influence brought to bear on the matter apparently included the personal intervention of Russian president Vladimir Putin in a telephone call to the Emir of Qatar. Thus the evidence before the court as to the involvement of the Russian authorities at the highest levels of the state was not brought into the full light of day. The verdict of guilty stands as a condemnation of the criminality of whoever ordered the murder, as well as those who carried it out, but there has been a torrent of denials from the Russian propaganda machine. And the volume of the denials is such that the verdict of the honest judge is in danger of being drowned out.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 02:02 PM
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11. Breaking: WESTERN EXPERTS PLAY DOWN CHECHEN-QAEDA LINK

Western experts play down Chechen-Qaeda link

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L01600674.htm

"Despite Kremlin assertions of al Qaeda involvement, Western security officials and experts say it is homegrown Chechen militancy that is driving a wave of attacks inside Russia.

The seizure of at least 120 children and adults as hostages at a school in Russia's north Caucasus on Wednesday did not resemble a classic al Qaeda operation, although it did fit a long pattern of Chechen rebel attacks on targets like hospitals.

More imitative of al Qaeda's style was the simultaneous downing of two airliners last week, apparently blown apart in mid-air by suicide bombers who smuggled explosives on board.

"Two civilian aircraft were brought down by terrorist organisations with links to al Qaeda," President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday, noting that a group claiming ties to Osama bin Laden's network had claimed responsibility.

The same group, the Islambouli Brigades -- named after the assassin of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat -- also claimed an attack by a female suicide bomber that killed 10 people and injured 51 at a central Moscow metro station on Tuesday.

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