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BlueNomad Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:34 PM
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Key Bush Assertions About Iraq in Dispute --good slam
Good slam now on top story on the wires...

Key Bush Assertions About Iraq in Dispute

Sept. 26, 2004 — By Adam Entous
CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - Many of President Bush's assertions about progress in Iraq -- from police training and reconstruction to preparations for January elections -- are in dispute, according to internal Pentagon documents, lawmakers and key congressional aides on Sunday.

Bush used the visit last week by interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi to make the case that "steady progress" is being made in Iraq to counter warnings by his Democratic presidential rival, Sen. John Kerry, that the situation in reality is deteriorating....

He said nearly 100,000 "fully trained and equipped" Iraqi soldiers, police officers and other security personnel are already at work, and that would rise to 125,000 by the end of this year....

But many of these assertions have met with skepticism from key congressional aides and experts, and Pentagon documents, given to lawmakers and obtained by Reuters, paint a more complicated picture.

<http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040926_186.html>
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nostalgicaboutmyfutr Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:37 PM
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1. You just know...
after the election there will be a ton of 'reporting' on the lies and idiocy of the current resident in chief....once he is gone maybe they can get back to actually doing their jobs...but i am a dreamer...

you can bet this won't go far the media are such whores.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:38 PM
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2. Great article
I will use it on the freepers I am debating with.

One of them has the gall to keep saying over and over that our soldiers are dying for 'peace and happiness' in Iraq.

http://forums.prospero.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-cltrant&msg=7755.2
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:41 PM
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4. No, they'll just deny anything bad is going on there.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:47 PM
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5. Send this to your freeper "friends"

http://harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html

It was only after I had been in Baghdad for a month that I found what I was looking for. I had traveled to Iraq a year after the war began, at the height of what should have been a construction boom, but after weeks of searching I had not seen a single piece of heavy machinery apart from tanks and humvees. Then I saw it: a construction crane. It was big and yellow and impressive, and when I caught a glimpse of it around a corner in a busy shopping district I thought that I was finally about to witness some of the reconstruction I had heard so much about. But as I got closer I noticed that the crane was not actually rebuilding anything—not one of the bombed-out government buildings that still lay in rubble all over the city, nor one of the many power lines that remained in twisted heaps even as the heat of summer was starting to bear down. No, the crane was hoisting a giant billboard to the top of a three-story building. SUNBULAH: HONEY 100% NATURAL, made in Saudi Arabia.

--snip--

The honey theory of Iraqi reconstruction stems from the most cherished belief of the war’s ideological architects: that greed is good. Not good just for them and their friends but good for humanity, and certainly good for Iraqis. Greed creates profit, which creates growth, which creates jobs and products and services and everything else anyone could possibly need or want. The role of good government, then, is to create the optimal conditions for corporations to pursue their bottomless greed, so that they in turn can meet the needs of the society. The problem is that governments, even neoconservative governments, rarely get the chance to prove their sacred theory right: despite their enormous ideological advances, even George Bush’s Republicans are, in their own minds, perennially sabotaged by meddling Democrats, intractable unions, and alarmist environmentalists.


Iraq was going to change all that. In one place on Earth, the theory would finally be put into practice in its most perfect and uncompromised form. A country of 25 million would not be rebuilt as it was before the war; it would be erased, disappeared. In its place would spring forth a gleaming showroom for laissez-faire economics, a utopia such as the world had never seen. Every policy that liberates multinational corporations to pursue their quest for profit would be put into place: a shrunken state, a flexible workforce, open borders, minimal taxes, no tariffs, no ownership restrictions. The people of Iraq would, of course, have to endure some short-term pain: assets, previously owned by the state, would have to be given up to create new opportunities for growth and investment. Jobs would have to be lost and, as foreign products flooded across the border, local businesses and family farms would, unfortunately, be unable to compete. But to the authors of this plan, these would be small prices to pay for the economic boom that would surely explode once the proper conditions were in place, a boom so powerful the country would practically rebuild itself.

The fact that the boom never came and Iraq continues to tremble under explosions of a very different sort should never be blamed on the absence of a plan. Rather, the blame rests with the plan itself, and the extraordinarily violent ideology upon which it is based.

more...

http://harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html


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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:58 PM
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6. Osama has a honey supplier
that raises funds for him. I don't know if this is the company.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:30 PM
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22. If this is the same company,
then Iraq is supporting al Qaeda terrorists while under American control.

Isn't that Specialllll.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:20 PM
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8. Don't call them my 'friends'
or even associates. They are just faceless folks on a discussion board.

I honestly don't know anyone this hateful or stupid in real life.

But thanks for the cool article. I will post it to the 'peace and happiness' idiot.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 09:46 PM
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10. The quotations were meant to signify sarcasm. I don't know anybody
who could associate with "those" people, except "those" people.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:03 PM
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7. If the freepers
even made an ounce of sense I would not be so outraged. But our soldiers signed up with the military/national guard to serve America and their loved ones. They agreed to die for their loved ones and all of America's peace and happiness, not the Iraqi people.

And also, didn't oreilly or hannity or one of those losers say the he thought the Iraqi people were stupid, dirty, ignorant, etc. So why would a freeper want to send our soldiers to die for those kind of people. Maybe we should start telling them that almost all Iraqis are gay?

Remember that crazy guy on the andy griffin show who would throw bricks through windows? That is what the freepers are like to argue with. No matter how reasonable you try to be or logical or even simple, they just keep throwing crazyness back at you.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:43 AM
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15. rotfl, Ernest T. Bass
Yes, that's exactly what it's like. Trying to have a rational discussion with Ernest T. lol.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:39 PM
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3. The pissed off people in the Pentagon and CIA are the ones that can
give Kerry some great ammo by leaking the truth instead of going along with the Bush Administration's attempts to hide the facts.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 05:19 PM
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9. I Wonder If They Even Give A Sh*t about Iraq?
Honestly, they seem to me the most fanatically stubborn, ignorant and misinformed bunch ever organized for political fodder. Why? Fear!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 09:58 PM
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11. Freepers care about Iraq?
You are kiddin', right?

These people don't give a rat's ass about Iraqis. I doubt that they even care about American troop deaths, maimings and misery.

Right Wingers and Neo Facists only care about themselves.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:16 PM
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12. So, this report is essentially calling bush* a
LIAR!
LIAR!
LIAR!
LIAR!
LIAR!
LIAR!
LIAR!
LIAR!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:33 AM
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13. kick
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:38 AM
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14. bush isn't good with "complicated." he'll be clariflopping this later
this week.

clariFLOPication. all bush is good for.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 03:12 AM
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16. be on the alert for the echo chamber
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 03:12 AM by radfringe
"the pResident mispoke..."
"the pResident was citing other statistics..."
yadda yadda yadda

Mispeaking means never having to say you lied
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:03 AM
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17. kick for Monday
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 04:42 PM
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18. Anyone who believes...
this evil administration and Allawi are truly coked up in the brain--they don't their assh*le from their lips! Ugghhh!
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 04:47 PM
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19. give it a "5" here
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 04:52 PM
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20. every TV opportunity at propoganda amounts to 'meaningful progress'
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 04:53 PM by Supersedeas
If * say Black is White, the TV Media declares it so, no matter what evidence to the contrary might reveal.

Marketing has supplanted fact-checking whole-cloth and this story will be BURIED by innane discussion of POLLS and CELEBRITY TRIALS ad nauseum.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 04:53 PM
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21. "disputed" = busted
"controversial" = fabricated
"paranoid" = true
hail newspeak!
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