The Republicans have started their push for ANWR

[MISSDem]

I hope and pray the Democrats can prevent it.
Call of the Mild
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/14/opinion/14norton.html?hp

[GetTheRightVote]

1. I hope they do as well, fight Dems fight

:kick:

[whistle]

2. Here again, we need to fight the arguments with truth....

...The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) is not a place where the exploitation of crude oil should happen and even if the oil is tapped and a pipeline constructed, the crude oil will never flow to American consumers, but will be sold internationally to enrich oil companies. However, the actual and potential environmental destruction will be irreversible. Where is the unified voice of the democratic party and sane Americans on this?

[FloridaPat]

3. They haven't stopped the push. Same song - independence from

foreign oil. What a load of crap. Our government have no intention of being indenpendent. Unless it does so by making the countries in the Middle East states.

[Coastie for Truth]

4. Drilling In ANWR Serves Three Purposes

1. It props up the ailing Big Three - who have no one to blame except themselves for their problems---
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=111965

2. It props up the Oil Industry - who will not change their infrastructure to adapt to the changing world---
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1310288

3. It is a crude play to the United Auto Workers who have been told by the GOP that drilling in ANWR will "protect their jobs" -- Their jobs will be better protected by kicking CAFE up to to Prius and Mini Cooper levels.

The GOP has asked the wrong question -- and they have therefore come up with the wrong answer.

The problem is we are burning to much gasoline.

The answer is--->

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[sellitman]

5. Here is what will really be every garage.

If bush the lesser gets his way:

[sellitman]

6. Whattsamadda? Don't like Hummers?

Then check out this site:

http://www.fuh2.com/

[Coastie for Truth]

7. I have a Prius -

in my Walter Mitty fantasies
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2828039&mesg_id=2828185

[Coastie for Truth]

8. Read the FY07 Proposed Budget - and look for a fall back

that rewards West Virginia, Kentucky and Tennessee and Colorado -- and gives Pennsylvania an incentive to vote for Santorum and to "Go Red in 2008" -- and pays off Robert Byrd. ---- It looks like the budget requests for cleaner burning coal are going to the same DOE Labs that also have the "Coal to Oil" (Coal Liquefaction) oral history (and what still remains of the "expertise"). Is this just dementia from a Monongahela Valley kid - or is the door opened a crack?

Coal liquefaction is old technology - over 70 years old, perfected by the Germans during WW2, and brought to two DOI labs after WW2. The sticking point was that gasoline refined from crude oil was always cheaper then gasoline synthesized from coal.

Well, some folks in the coal belt are saying that at $56/bbl, it is cheaper to synthesize gasoline from coal then to refine it from crude oil. And - we do have enough coal to satisfy both our "coal" needs and our "gasoline" needs and our "chemical feedstock" needs for a long enough "planning horizon" to protect us from hitting a brick wall on crude oil.

The coal mining --> coal gasification --> Fischer Tropsch coal gas liquefaction sequence is dirtier refining crude, but cleaner then oil shale and tar sands, and coal sands.

Plus, its technology that at least two government labs and almost every engineering school in the "coal belts" have been fiddling around with for over 50 years.

The only problems were and still are--
1. Gasoline refined from crude oil was always cheaper then gasoline synthesized from coal. But, today, that is history.
2. Synthesizing gasoline from coal imposes an environmental burden -- but less of a burden then other "short range" alternatives (oil shale, oil sands, tar sands, drilling in ANWR or off the Florida and California coasts).

And - if you're from a coal state (Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ketucky, Tennessee, Colorado) -- it looks like the door is deliberately left ajar for coal liquefaction in the Budget Proposal.

[cap]

9. except there are starting to be problems from mercury

emissions from coal fired plants.

[Coastie for Truth]

10. Gasification + Fischer-Tropsch Gasoline Synthesis

is also "poisoned" by Hg, and requires Hg removal. (Hg, in addition to being toxic to living things, also "poisons" the catalysts used in many chemical processes).

Totally different from just burning coal, which is what puts Hg into the air.

[Coastie for Truth]

11. NY Times Article - Power Producers Seek Latest Models of Nuclear Reactors

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/15/science/15nucl.html?
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1313587&mesg_id=1313587