Is Kaine Win Allen’s Loss?

[MADem]

I get a certain amount of glee from the title of this piece, frankly!
Seems Allen has about the same amount of coattails as the monkey! And talk about STUPID--the guy just doesn't think things through!

Subscription required: http://www.rollcall.com/issues/51_50/news/11208-1.html

....For Allen, the fallout from the Kilgore campaign represents the first bit of bad political news in months. He was recently profiled in one of the most significant conservative publications, the National Review, with a glowing cover picture. And as others have stumbled in the Senate in recent months — Frist is under investigation for his personal finances, and Santorum is trailing badly in his own Senate race — Allen has been increasingly been seen as potentially the most viable Senator to contend for the GOP nomination.

But the Kilgore defeat, at least for now, has some asking questions about Allen’s viability — as well as the fact that, were he to join a successful national ticket, he’d be replaced by a Democrat appointed by Kaine. “In addition to the hit that his own guy got smacked down, its hard to argue that you should be president or when a Democrat is going to appoint your successor to the Senate,” said one GOP operative...Allen shrugged off that suggestion entirely, saying it had never entered his mind. “I hadn’t thought about that,” he said of his successor in the Senate if he were to move to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. “That’s a good question. I hadn’t thought about it.” But his supporters say that, if anything, Kilgore didn’t do enough to attach himself to Allen and Sen. John Warner (R-Va.), both of whom remain very popular.

Allen and Warner, earlier this fall, went to the National Republican Senatorial Committee and cut ads for Kilgore to use, providing him with a pair of surrogates in the same way Warner appeared in many Kaine ads. ...Instead, those ads never ran, two GOP sources said. They only appeared on Kilgore’s web site....“There are some people who might make it out to be that this was an election between George Allen and Mark Warner, and that’s just absurd,” said Chris LaCivita, Allen’s longtime adviser. Blaming some GOP members of the state Legislature who worked with Warner on key state issues and helped enhance his popularity, LaCivita noted that Warner’s legacy was on the line, not Allen’s.

Others in Allen’s camp also contended that Kilgore underperformed the other statewide GOP candidates for attorney general and lieutenant governor, both of whom hit 50 percent or better. They suggested that Kilgore was not a good candidate, particularly in areas of the state that have yielded stronger support for Republicans. And, his decision to run a heavily negative campaign — including ads that suggested Kaine wouldn’t even support the death penalty for Adolf Hitler — soured moderate voters in northern Virginia, one adviser said. ...

[Jivenwail]

1. Smilin' George?

He's a total moron and an apologist for the administration. He's as dumb as a tack and the only reason he's still in office here in VA is because he defeated Robb and has yet to face a credible Dem at election time. And the dirty tactics he used to do that will never again be believed or supported here. Allen's time is just about up, too bad I won't be living in VA to help vote that SOB out in the next election.

As for Lt Gov and AG (which is still undecided as Deeds wants a recount) Bolling barely won against a strong liberal Dem. Many repukes here refused to vote for Kilgore because of his nasty campaign ads and his inability to show the voters what he stood for. Because of his total idiocy during the debates and because of his last minute "kiss of death" endorsement from Bush. Bolling is an extreme right wing nut job and just because he got 50% doesn't mean squat. He's just lucky. There are 2 other repuke state delegates in VA who also got thrown out of office, one of whom used to give the other delegates little plastic fetuses!

The Commonwealth of VA is waking up and Kaine's win is solid proof. He walks in Warner's shoes - which is a solidly exceptional thing. Warner had a 74% approval rating in this state and people here did not want to deviate from what he did to fix a state that had been decimated by that idiot Gilgore before him.

George Allen's days are numbered and he has no future beyond VA. Anyone who tells us otherwise is offering up sheer lunacy - but then again, if Allen is the best the repukes have to offer for their future, then maybe that's a good thing after all! (very tongue in cheek).

Farewell VA. As we move away next month, I can honestly say I am proud of you!!

[MADem]

3. He reminds me of Howdy Doody

Only Howdy was smarter....!!

[abluelady]

6. We Must Be of the Same Generation

Everytime I look at George Allen, I see Howdy Doody.

I sure hope we keep up capitalizing on the administration's failure so Allen doesn't win the Senate again.

Don't know if you've heard or read, but the RNC is saying Kaine won running on a Republican platform. They will say anything, won't they?

[MADem]

8. Ha, they can say he won running on a pair of platform shoes, for all I

care!!! The bottom line is this: HE WON. He won despite the coattails of the Monkey and Howdy Doody. We wipe our asses on those coattails!

I heard that limp justification, and it made me smile. Statements like that are printed versions of flop sweat!!!!

[abluelady]

9. LOL I agree!

[Cha]

14. Against the Death Penalty?

BRING IT!

[Cha]

13. Great Analysis!

May your next state of mind have a good Governor or one that you can work for in the near future!

[FSogol]

2. Great quote:

Allen shrugged off that suggestion entirely, saying it had never entered his mind. “I hadn’t thought about that,”

I hope they don't start listing all of the things Allen never thought of. :-)

[MADem]

4. Yeah, that bit was VERY TELLING

If things get worse for the GOP, as we hope they will, they could be in danger of losing their Senate majority. His viability as a candidate for either the top or second slot just slipped a goodly percentage with his failure to propel his toady to victory.

And he doesn't yet GET IT!!!

[Cha]

15. Too much cyberg space

would be full Important things. :)

[zbdent]

5. It was pointed out that Virginia is very heavily tilted to the

MILITARY BASES . . .

And, even with the (no link) "troops ordered to fix the election", Bush's coattails are more of a hangman's noose to Kilgore . . .

[MADem]

7. Yeah, I can imagine how well the troops "fixed" it

VA, especially Norfolk/Tidewater, is huge USN land. There's good concentrations of Army about as well. What better way to tell your Commander in Chief that he is a nitwit than to vote AGAINST his boy?

You can't count on the troops to mindlessly deliver the goods anymore. Some of the retirees are still a bit stupid, and slow to back away from initial bad judgment, but plenty are not.

In my neighborhood, three out of four military retirees think GWB has his coke-addled head up his ass. The one who still drinks the kool-aid is an asshole, and is not well regarded by anyone in the neighborhood, retired military or otherwise!

[JPZenger]

10. Who is Going to Run Against Allen?

[MADem]

12. Well, the GOP hasn't talked too much about a primary field

Condi says she has no interest, Jeb says no, Trent is uninterested (and radioactive at the national level), and Cheney has imploded.

Right now, the popular names include McCain, Mitt the Shit Romney, Allen...and perhaps the odd dark horse GOP governor from the heartland.

On our side, there are the usual suspects. Biden is probably in, a substantial cadre want Hillary in there too, Kerry maybe, Clark, perhaps, Edwards, who knows? Bill Richardson might just make a run for it--if he starts dieting, mark my words, he will be forming an exploratory committee before you know it. We could well have another governor in the WH--that paradigm has been popular since Clinton (Carter actually broke it out for the post WW2 era, but he didn't get a second term).

Whoever gets it on our side, with a strong, unified lockstep front, we can win it. We have the impetus on our side.

[Cha]

16. ghouliani might want to

throw his hat in the ring.

[MADem]

17. Ah yes, Mr. "I WED THREE WIVES"

That'll go over like a lead balloon!!! Too sleazy for the Democrats, too liberal for the Repubelicans!!

But you're right, the pointy headed bastard has enough hubris to want to try!!!

[Cha]

11. Stupid kilgore...hitler

killed himself..no need to worry about the damn death penalty for him.

ON edit~ It sounds like Kaine's Win Is allen's LOSS!

Too bad, you repuke senator.

[williesgirl]

18. Allen is an embarrassment to us in VA. His name recognition due to his

Dad is what got him elected. Total idiot. I think the voters in VA are finally waking up and using their heads for a change. I even look at a picture of him and I get ill.