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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 07:20 PM
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Is the U.S. Responsible for a Million Iraqi Deaths?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18363.htm

Is the U.S. Responsible for a Million Iraqi Deaths?

By Patrick McElwee and Robert Naiman
Just Foreign Policy

09/11/07 "ZNet" -- -- In October 2006 researchers from Johns Hopkins University published a peer-reviewed article in The Lancet, one of Europe's most important and respected medical journals, estimating that 650,000 Iraqis had been killed due to the U.S.-led invasion of their country, 601,000 violently. <1> The report was quickly marginalized in public debate in the United States.

The researchers' methods were not to blame. They used the method accepted around the world to measure demographics such as birth and death rates in the wake of natural and man-made disasters: a cluster survey. No one found substantive flaws in the way they conducted their research. Instead, their findings were dismissed because they asked the politically charged question of how many Iraqis have died, and the answer they found was unacceptably high.

Since the Lancet estimate was based on a survey completed in July 2006 and no new demographic studies have been conducted since, Just Foreign Policy has created an update of the Lancet estimate to account for the violent deaths that have occurred since, in an effort to put the question of the overall death toll back on the table. We did this by extrapolating from the Lancet estimate using a trend line derived from a database of deaths reported in the Western media, maintained by Iraq Body Count. <2> Our best estimate, which we update regularly, is that over a million Iraqis have been killed violently as a result of the invasion and occupation. <3>

The treatment of the Lancet study and its findings has really been exceptional. In other war zones, results from cluster surveys have become the standard estimate of deaths. The cluster survey-based estimate that 200,000 have died in Darfur, for example, is consistently cited as established fact by both the U.S. media and the Bush administration.

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Unfortunately, the debate over whether the U.S. military should end its occupation of Iraq remains largely uninformed by accurate estimates of Iraqi deaths, at least here in the United States. Worse, there seems to be a lack of interest in how many Iraqis have been killed even as many who oppose withdrawal warn of the deaths that would ensue if the troops left. As a result, the American public is completely uninformed as to how many Iraqis have been killed. An AP poll in February asked Americans how many Iraqis had died as a result of the war. The median response was just under 10,000. <12>

The best estimate indicates that more than a million Iraqis have been killed as a result of the invasion and occupation. It is reasonable to suppose that if politicians and news media in the United States were forced to confront this reality, pressure for the end of the war would increase dramatically, and cavalier discussions of new military actions in Iran and Pakistan would be less likely.



Patrick McElwee is a policy analyst and Robert Naiman is a senior policy analyst at Just Foreign Policy, www.justforeignpolicy.org. Their counter of Iraqi deaths can be found at http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 07:22 PM
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1. k&r
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 07:59 PM
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2. Is This a Trick Question?
No, the elves did it. Or the djinni. Or anybody but US.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 11:00 AM
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13. Not just deaths, WANTON DESTRUCTION.
"Creative destruction" according to the Dominionists and Xtian Reconstructionists. Get your artifacts in Dallas!
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:01 PM
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3. Imagine if China occupied the US to free us from bush
and we lost a million people, its disgusting whats going on for money. I hope people find it their hearts to vote someone in office that will GUARANTY the end of this destruction.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 04:21 PM
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10. not hard to imagine
considering that china now owns the majority of our debt
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:06 PM
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4. In a word, yes. n/t
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:07 PM
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5. For a rough guess it appears to be sound
Divides the current Iraq Body Count by the number through the date of the Lancet study, then multiplies by the total of the study.

How many "mass graves" can 1 million dead fill?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 10:41 PM
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6. You're off by at least a million.
UNICEF release a report stating that over 500,000 children (under the age of 5) died as a direct result of the sanctions imposed on Iraq by the US.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/072100-03.htm

In an interview, Madeline Albright confirmed this number and followed with the chilling statement that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children "was worth it".

There is no estimate of adult casualties due to the sanctions.


The number of Iraqi military deaths as a result of Gulf War 1 are conservatively estimated at 100,000 minimum. The US has released no estimate of civilian deaths due to the thousands of bombing sorties into Baghdad during this "War", dismissing these deaths as "collateral damage". One incident that was made public showed over 350 civilians killed in a bomb shelter by a single bomb. It can be safely assumed that the massive bombing of Baghdad produced civilian deaths in the range of multiple thousands.

The US is also responsible for the thousands of deaths that occurred when the US allowed Saddam to suppress rebellions in the South and North after Gulf War One. George Bush1 (41) had promised to support these Iraqis if they rebelled against Saddam. Instead, Bush1 allowed Saddam to operate attack helicopters in these designated "No Fly" zones and freely slaughter thousands of Iraqis.


If you really want to be honest about the responsibility of the US for Iraqi deaths, you must include the casualties from the Iran/Iraq War in the 80s. The US sponsored Saddam during this conflict. By some accounts, the US used Saddam as a proxy by encouraging Saddam to invade Iran, cheer leading from the sidelines, supplying weapons, money, and intelligence. A conservative estimate of Iraqi deaths during the Iran/Iraq War is 1 million.
http://www.antiwar.com/wanniski/?articleid=6065

So, if you really want to be honest about the number of Iraqi deaths that the US is responsible for, a conservative estimate would be over 3 MILLION deaths.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 10:44 PM
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7. Dammit, NO! We MUST separate the conflicts! Otherwise, we might
never know who is/was responsible for what.

That number bums me out more. Thanks, I think.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 04:08 PM
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9. The more things change.....
Edited on Wed Sep-12-07 04:09 PM by bvar22
Who really is responsible?
I am suffering from an increasing FEAR that we are NOT responsible for these deaths. If we are NOT responsible for the deaths, then we are POWERLESS to stop them.
Every day there is MORE evidence that these decisions are made not by the politicians we elect, but by the powers behind the throne. These powers don't change with every election cycle, but are constant. How else can you explain the continuity of EVIL that has been unleashed by the US since WW2?

Our foreign policy of overthrowing democracies and installing right wing oligarchies NEVER changes. It remains constant whether Democrats OR Republicans are in charge. The World is a plaything for the ultra elite to RAPE, Steal Resources, enslave populations, and then throw away. When a country or people no longer offers fun or profit, the people are simple discarded.

We are in Iraq NOT to steal the Oil, but to make it safe for the privileged few to steal the oil (and everything else).

I think that maybe Jimmy Carter tried to do something to limit the damages inflicted by this shadow power, and was swiftboated out of office for his efforts (more research needed).
Reagan was their puppet, as was Bush1 and now Bush2 (W doesn't have the brain power to implement this much EVIL). Clinton merely took the easy out and simply went with the flow.

I FEAR that elections no longer matter. They are For Show Only, to give the peasants the illusion of choice. Might as well be voting for Homecoming Queen. Nothing much will change.

I do have some hope. The Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party has been able to use the InterNet to throw a few grains of sand into the gears. Lieberman was never supposed to lose his Primary. They had to scramble a little to repair the damage and keep him in power.


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I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.”
---Dennis Kucinich

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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:44 PM
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8. Don't forget the 500,000 children killed by the sanctions...
Don't forget the 500,000 children killed by the sanctions. You know. The ones that Madeline Albright said were "worth it."

If there is another Nuremberg, I hope she is held accountable along with Bill Clinton. Such madness. Such evil.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 06:54 PM
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11. Jesus -- talk about an Evil Empire.... how shameful. nt
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:43 PM
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12. Of course we are responsible; we allowed a sociopath to take over
the presidency and then allowed him to keep for an extra 4 years. We did not stop his madness. We are culpable.
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