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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:17 PM
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Secessionists Meeting in Tennessee
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Secessionists Meeting in Tennessee
By BILL POOVEY – 5 days ago

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP) — In an unlikely marriage of desire to secede from the United States, two advocacy groups from opposite political traditions — New England and the South — are sitting down to talk.

Tired of foreign wars and what they consider right-wing courts, the Middlebury Institute wants liberal states like Vermont to be able to secede peacefully.

That sounds just fine to the League of the South, a conservative group that refuses to give up on Southern independence.

"We believe that an independent South, or Hawaii, Alaska, or Vermont would be better able to serve the interest of everybody, regardless of race or ethnicity," said Michael Hill of Killen, Ala., president of the League of the South.

Separated by hundreds of miles and divergent political philosophies, the Middlebury Institute and the League of the South are hosting a two-day Secessionist Convention starting Wednesday in Chattanooga.

They expect to attract supporters from California, Alaska and Hawaii, inviting anyone who wants to dissolve the Union so states can save themselves from an overbearing federal government.

If allowed to go their own way, New Englanders "probably would allow abortion and have gun control," Hill said, while Southerners "would probably crack down on illegal immigration harder than it is being now."

The U.S. Constitution does not explicitly prohibit secession, but few people think it is politically viable.

Vermont, one of the nation's most liberal states, has become a hotbed for liberal secessionists, a fringe movement that gained new traction because of the Iraq war, rising oil prices and the formation of several pro-secession groups.

Thomas Naylor, the founder of one of those groups, the Second Vermont Republic, said the friendly relationship with the League of the South doesn't mean everyone shares all the same beliefs.

But Naylor, a retired Duke University professor, said the League of the South shares his group's opposition to the federal government and the need to pursue secession.

"It doesn't matter if our next president is Condoleeza (Rice) or Hillary (Clinton), it is going to be grim," said Naylor, adding that there are secessionist movements in more than 25 states, including Hawaii, Alaska, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Texas.

The Middlebury Institute, based in Cold Spring, N.Y., was started in 2005. Its followers, disillusioned by the Iraq war and federal imperialism, share the idea of states becoming independent republics. They contend their movement is growing.

The first North American Separatist Convention was held last fall in Vermont, which, unlike most Southern states, supports civil unions. Voters there elected a socialist to the U.S. Senate.

Middlebury director Kirpatrick Sale said Hill offered to sponsor the second secessionist convention, but the co-sponsor arrangement was intended to show that "the folks up north regard you as legitimate colleagues."

"It bothers me that people have wrongly declared them to be racists," Sale said.

The League of the South says it is not racist, but proudly displays a Confederate Battle Flag on its banner.

Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project, which monitors hate groups, said the League of the South "has been on our list close to a decade."

"What is remarkable and really astounding about this situation is we see people and institutions who are supposedly on the progressive left rubbing shoulders with bona fide white supremacists," Potok said.

Sale said the League of the South "has not done or said anything racist in its 14 years of existence," and that the Southern Poverty Law Center is not credible.

"They call everybody racists," Sale said. "There are, no doubt, racists in the League of the South, and there are, no doubt, racists everywhere."

Harry Watson, director of the Center For the Study of the American South and a history professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said it was a surprise to see The Middlebury Institute conferring with the League of the South, "an organization that's associated with a cause that many of us associate with the preservation of slavery."

He said the unlikely partnering "represents the far left and far right of American politics coming together."
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I'm in Ohio! Can I secede too?

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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:20 PM
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1. I'm for it!
Let George rule the WH- and that's it.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:21 PM
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2. And he can pay for the war himself!!!!!!!! Finally we agree with the South
about something. Let's do it!!!!
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:41 PM
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5. Works for me.
If the Federal government will not respond to the wishes and needs of the people, than it's time for the people to separate themselves from the Federal government.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:33 PM
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3. Uniters, not dividers.
How's that go, again?
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:34 PM
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4. United in dividing!
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 05:42 PM by Hydra
is there nothing our Furless Leader can't accomplish? The return of the Civil War and Cold War, both at the same time!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:48 PM
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7. I'm a divider and proud of it!!!!!!!LOL
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:02 AM
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10. A big part of the civil war was about, like the mafia, once you're in,
you're in. Any attempt to reverse the progress can be viewed pretty much any way one wants to, and people will.

Forty years ago, I had huge visions of a united world, or united hemispheres, at least, in order to stop war and the notion that commerce would be an important factor in universal peace was enchanting.
Now I realize that none of it really matters. What we are really doing is fighting the same percentages of vile, nasty, vicious examples of humanity that show up no matter what the circumstances.

In my darker moments, it occurs to me that, perhaps, wars that eliminate a large portion of young men every couple of generation might be a good thing, or might actually be a long range survival mechanism so that the race itself can survive, not necessarily any particular individual.

Sunny, late spring afternoons every day, forever and ever, just don't seem to be in the cards for humans.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:44 PM
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6. Only if I can find a job for myself and my wife...
and my kids can move to New England. Youse guys :) up north are NOT going to abandon me to these fools who run Georgia, are you?
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:11 PM
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8. Match made in hell
People ready to hand our country over to the the Bush Crime Family meets people ready to send the colored folk back out into the fields. Uh, no thanks. Don't want to be associated with either group. I spent 8 years serving my ideal of this country, and I refuse to give up on it.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:21 AM
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9. good grief.
New England agreeing with the South to divide up the country? It's as bizarre as Malcolm X meeting with the Klan to discuss black separatism.
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