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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:56 PM
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Will the Supreme Court Steal the Election for the GOP in 2008? Will CA Become the Next Florida?
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/010

Mark Karlin, Editor and Publisher, BuzzFlash.com

November 23, 2007

To begin the BuzzFlash editor’s blog, I ran a series on how the Republican blitzkrieg to fill the federal bench with partisan hacks – beginning seriously with the Reagan Administration – has profoundly and negatively impacted the Constitutional balance of powers. We used the example of how D.C U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge David Sentelle (and we have one or more installments on him to come) has been a Zelig at protecting the interests of Republican executive branch powers and illegalities, and how just one jurist can alter the course of democracy to serve partisan interests.

But for many of us, we need only go back to election 2000 to remember how despite lower court rulings to the contrary, Nino Scalia led a Supreme Court coup to put George W. Bush in power even though he had lost the national election by more than 540,000 votes and would have lost the Florida race if all the votes had been counted. Scalia’s original explanation of why the recount in Florida should be halted was based, he wrote, on the absurd and mind-boggling "concern" that, in essence, if all the votes were counted it might undercut the credibility of the presumed winner, George W. Bush.
In short, Scalia halted the right of a state to run its own election count because the results might make Al Gore the victor and, therefore, make it harder for Bush to assume the presidency once the Supreme Court made a decision to rule that the recount was not valid. So Scalia nullified the votes of American citizens so that he and the other felonious four could appoint Bush and Cheney before it could be determined that they had actually lost the election. And so, after Scalia’s bizarrely illogical and legally untenable court order, the Supreme Court issued a ruling – in the dark of the night – that Gore had lost, but that the ruling would only apply to that particular case and would not set a precedent. In short, for Bush and Cheney, "we will make a partisan exception to the role of state’s rights in elections and the right of every vote to be counted."

That brings us to the on-again, off-again, on-again effort (initiated and originally funded by a Giuliani backer) in California to place a referendum on the June ballot to proportionally award the electoral votes of the largest state in the Union. The inevitable result would be to give the Republican presidential candidate approximately as many electoral votes from the State of California as – let’s say – Ohio. Of course, as it currently stands without the passage of the proposition -- short of some GOP miracle -- California, the largest state in the Union, will award all its electoral votes to the Democratic nominee, whoever that might be.

So let’s say that the GOP's latest dirty trick (petition signatures are currently being collected, with charges that many people are being deceived about what they are signing) succeeds in getting the electoral split on the ballot in the California primary (some say that it might have to wait to be on the ballot until the November presidential election, but with wording that it would be effective for that election). And let’s assume that it passes (if it makes it to the ballot), which is a distinct possibility according to some polling...Well, using a referendum process to alter the allocation of electoral votes by a proposition could become a Constitutional question, because it can be legally argued that such a decision is solely the province of a state legislature, as one possible challenge would contend.

So then let’s say that the Democratic Party or another plaintiff -- the Democratic Presidential Candidate -- asks the courts to declare such a referendum, if passed, as not legally enforceable. And let’s assume that the lower courts agree with the plaintiffs and award all the California electoral votes to the Democratic candidate for president...So we are back to the end of 2000. The Republican candidate makes an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court to hear the case. Nino Scalia – or Roberts, Alito or Thomas – accepts the petition. Kennedy, one of the felonious five, is still on the court.

You got it; now a slightly altered majority (Alito replaced O’Connor) declare that the referendum process was legal and that the Republican candidate for president should be given a proportional share of the California electoral votes – and that allocation would potentially – considering the close electoral split between Dems and Republicans -- be enough to put the GOP candidate in the White House.

Of course, such a ruling would apply to this specific case in California in 2008, right?

Such things are not implausible. It happened in 2000.

It is what occurs when the Democrats confirm Federalist Society hacks whose loyalty is to the extreme right wing and the Republican Party, not to the Constitution.

It is, unfortunately, not a scenario for 2008 that can be easily dismissed.

Democracy can’t survive when one party controls the umpires.

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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:59 PM
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1. There is no way something like that would happen out here
The strength of the Democratic base makes it impossible for them to even get the initiative passed.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:02 PM
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2. I Hope You Are Right, For All Our Sakes
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:25 PM
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7. Where Was the Democratic Base in the Last Gubernatorial Election
Why is this man still Governor?

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:29 PM
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8. Here is my very biased take on this question
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 04:30 PM by truedelphi
There were two people who were up for the CAlifornia Democratic Party nomination.

One was Steve Westly. He is a billionaire and is the creator of Ebay or PayPal or one of the big money makers on the net.

The other candidate was the Democratic Party's hack, Phil Angelides.

Westly appealed to voters of both parties. He had his own money and could have done quite well.

But the Party leadership insisted on Angelides. This was wrong for several reasons
One: He was running against a very charistmatic person, Ahnold, who is always going to get votes from some citizens just because they liked his movies. Angelides has little if any charisma.

Two: Angelides was only known to the average person who resides in Southern California.
Three: he was uninspiring.

Westly was charismatic. He was known throughout the state on account of his business innovativeness.

Why didn't the Dem leadership go for Westly? I really really think that the Democratic leadership in Califonria is controlled by Di Feinstein. And she is a Gatekeeper for the Republicans. In fact, the one difference between her and a Republican is um, Well I was going to say abortion - but Ahnold is pro-choice so even that doesn't distinguish Di from the repugs.

Whether Di Feinstein is able to guarantee the continuation of her husband's war contracts within Iraq by GateJKeeping for the repugs, or whether she has to do it to keep some dark and deadly secret in the closet I donot know.

But GateKeepers the Party leadership is. And the other thing about Schwartzenneger keeping the governorship is that Oprah supported Ahnold.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:05 AM
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9. I Did Wonder At the Time Why Angelides
He was cut from the same Gray cloth....
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:03 PM
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3. This is the biggest threat to the election! K&R!
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:17 PM
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4. I would have no problem with it, as long as it is nationwide
If it was instituted nationally, then it would be fair. And I think it would be a landslide for the dems in that case. But to do it in just 1 state dramatically affects the election process, not that the majority in the supreme court would care about that.
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:32 PM
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5. It will never be instituted nationally by 2008,
not a chance...Only California would split its votes, which would give Rethugs the WH...So they would complete their Triple Crown of corruption, having stolen the 2000, 2004, & 2008 elections....

Democrats have to defeat this initiative, even if it drains resources from other races...

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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:23 PM
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6. I agree.
I was just saying that this was the ONLY way I would say it was OK.
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