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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:59 AM
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IBM should reveal truth about engineering layoffs
Posted: 06 May 2009

Perhaps more than any other U.S. high-technology company, IBM Corp. has been subjected to intense media scrutiny in the aftermath of a string of recent under-the-radar layoffs. Much of that unwanted attention is a direct result of union activism that has taken on a decidedly "we're mad as hell and we're-not going to take it anymore" tone. Following an IBM shareholder meeting last week, fighting words like "greed" were being lobbed like hand grenades.
For its own reasons, IBM executives continue to say little about company layoffs. That policy has backfired, attracting still more scrutiny and criticism.

Instead, IBM has launched what appears to be a counteroffensive intended to defuse union criticism of its estimated 10,000 layoffs (a union estimate) and the offshoring of U.S. engineering jobs. For example, the company announced last week that it would create a network of "analytic centres" that would employ up to 4,000 analytics consultants. Good news, unless you're a laid-off engineer.

IBM is hardly alone in seeking to cut labour costs by shipping jobs overseas, but the timing and handling of its personnel moves have been seized upon by its critics as engineering unemployment has soared.

We have asked IBM about its recent layoffs, but the company has declined to comment.
For the record, J. Randall MacDonald, IBM's senior vice president for human resources, told The New York Times in March that it is routine for the company to lay off some employees while hiring elsewhere. "This business is in a constant state of transformation," MacDonald said. "I think of this as business as usual for us."

The Times article also chronicled how IBM and other companies have scattered their layoffs, presumably to remain under the radar as worker rage intensifies.

Former IBM workers provide a different perspective from MacDonald's, noting that the company reported strong quarterly results in January. One engineer recently laid off by IBM told the Times that the company is using the downturn "as an excuse to lay people off."

Offshoring debate
The nasty tone of the offshoring debate is a symptom of economic uncertainty and plain old fear about the future. Workers, especially engineers, see no end to the mounting pile of pink slips. Many U.S. corporations are now so fearful of a backlash that an unprecedented number of high-tech H-1B visas for fiscal 2009 have gone unused. Industry backers of H-1B point to the current surplus of high-tech visas as an indication that market forces have corrected any abuses of the programme.

Union officials would counter that H-1B visas represent a government subsidy to industry that ultimately allows it to ship skilled jobs with decent wages overseas in the name of saving labour costs.

Legislation introduced in the U.S. Senate on April 23 seeks to reform the H-1B and L-1 visa programmes by stamping out industry abuse and fraud.

"The H-1B visa programme should complement the U.S. workforce, not replace it," Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), who co-sponsored the proposed H-1B and L-1 Visa Reform Act with Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), said in introducing the legislation.

The 210,000-member IEEE-USA said last week that it supported the legislation. In a letter to Durbin and Grassley, the engineering group reiterated its position that permanent, skills-based immigration is "a more appropriate strategy than temporary visas to help meet the workforce needs of the U.S. high-tech industry."

Other industry groups argue that IEEE-USA's position doesn't go far enough. While some engineering groups are likely to support the spirit of the H-1B reform bill, many can be expected to question the continuance of a programme that is deeply resented by the engineering rank and file in the United States.

We will continue to cover both sides of the offshoring debate. In the meantime, the public discourse on the jobs issue would be better served if high-tech companies like IBM were more forthcoming about their employment policies, particularly offshoring.

Corporations and their workers must find common ground if the U.S. technology industry is to climb out of the economic morass.

http://www.eetindia.co.in/ART_8800571563_1800001_NT_1d74ac97.HTM

IBM has to be one of the shittiest corporations out there.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:03 AM
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1. It's their chief tactic
They don't say, "we're going to lay off 5K people."

Over a period of months, they lay off a couple dozen here, 100 there, 50 in another place, 10 over there, and so on and so forth.

I say, shine an airport floodlight on em.

I've been a contractor at IBM on three different stints. They have everybody on edge, except the project managers.
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:22 AM
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3. I am currently a contractor at IBM
and yes, everybody is on edge.....although the atmosphere seems to be less tense than it was during the winter
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:42 AM
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4. Don't worry, it won't last long
:P

Seriously, I hope you do well there, but they are weird about the treatment of contractors.
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:52 AM
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5. Thanks,,,
I have a fairly secure position, I believe...and had previously been a regular for several years...so have a lot of time put in at IBM...but one never knows.....
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:11 AM
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2. They have been doing this since the early 80's but these
current employees didn't mind then because they got our jobs back then and just went along with the idea that we weren't as educated or up to date or smart and they were - now it all comes around again and it is going off shore even more - it did then and it is accelerated now
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:12 AM
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6. Why do the finance and administration people
Hate engineers and skilled trades so much? I know some IBM folks, and have worked in advanced technology for 30 years. Hate is not too strong a word here. I have theories, but I'd like to hear others.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:53 AM
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7. What are your theories?
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 08:13 PM
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8. Has to do with do with vastly differing cultures
Techies are very literal - so when an office type does a passive/agressive move, and gets called on it, they beleive it's the techie's fault, and the techie thinks they're lying scum.
The office thinks that numbers arrived at in meetings are holy. The techies beleive only in NIST-traceable measurements. Perceptions are sacrosacnt to the office, the techies think that perceptions only distort the measurements.
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eyesonly2210 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 12:51 PM
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9. IBM's Treatment of Contractors 2008/2009
Do not trust IBM in any contractor setup. 
1) November 24, 2008 - All contractors in Boulder get %15 pay
rate cut 
2) May 5/11/2009 - 20% reduction in all hours for contractors
for "temporary time" 1 month 

Trust me when I say this is still better treatment than they
give their employees. 

1)Feburary 2008, after years of working their
"except" IT workers to deathly weeks of 70 hours.
IBM has now made them non exempt ( due to a loss in court) and
now have cut all their pay by %15. 

2)Sept,1,2008 - Mgmt has noticed that the IBM regulars are now
getting paid overtime, it was more than the estimated 15% pay
cut would offset, therefore - No more OT for regulars. 

3) IBM has commited to US locations - YAY!, the nation
celebrates. 
IBM is consoladating all IT to 3 global centers - Fishkill,
NY; Boulder , Co; Debuke, Iowa; 
All remote workers are to move to the city locations in two
months or lose their job, no relocation is offered , and we
are locking you job division so you cant find a job. Celebrate
good times , come on!! 

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:20 PM
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11. Because we have actual skills and do actual work?
Sorry, just in a bad mood lately about admin types...
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 02:19 PM
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10. And we ask why it's hard to get kids to major in engineering
It's not about the workloads or the math requirements: kids aren't stupid and they see that as things are there's not much future doing basic R&D in the US.
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